UnitedWhofans Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 This is why the Jets are where they are. Pure and simple. You cant have a proper rebuild in NY. Idzik tried that and the fans wanted him out of there. So Macc is trying (and doing a pretty good job) of trying to do both. Stay in somewhat contention while getting this roster full of young talent. It is already working. This is why Ryan Fitzpatrick was resigned, he had the best year in Jets QB and the fans would boo Geno Smith the moment he stepped on the field (in fact they did in preseason) Luckily, Macc signed him to a contract that wouldnt impeded progress. The Jets will end up with 6 or 7 wins this year, and probably be the better for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said: This is why the Jets are where they are. Pure and simple. You cant have a proper rebuild in NY. Idzik tried that and the fans wanted him out of there. So Macc is trying (and doing a pretty good job) of trying to do both. Stay in somewhat contention while getting this roster full of young talent. It is already working. This is why Ryan Fitzpatrick was resigned, he had the best year in Jets QB and the fans would boo Geno Smith the moment he stepped on the field (in fact they did in preseason) Luckily, Macc signed him to a contract that wouldnt impeded progress. The Jets will end up with 6 or 7 wins this year, and probably be the better for it. Progress is not signing a 34 year old journeyman bum QB progress is a rookie making mistakes and learning from them for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Jets Fans would accept Petty or Hack starting better than they'd accept Fitz or Geno starting. They'd be more accepting of "hope", no matter how thin, than of proven failures like Fitz and Geno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted September 26, 2016 Author Share Posted September 26, 2016 Just now, Warfish said: Jets Fans would accept Petty or Hack starting better than they'd accept Fitz or Geno starting. They'd be more accepting of "hope", no matter how thin, than of proven failures like Fitz and Geno. Would they now? Was Mark Sanchez given that "acceptance" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Who gives a **** about fans? Jesus man, you actually think they sit around asking each other how to handle the team based on the fan reaction. Idzik lost his job because he was a ******* disaster. Not because some idiot flew a banner over a practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 3 minutes ago, JiF said: Who gives a **** about fans? Jesus man, you actually think they sit around asking each other how to handle the team based on the fan reaction. Idzik lost his job because he was a ******* disaster. Not because some idiot flew a banner over a practice. Macc is next signing Fitz was a big mistake you know it I know it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 19 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Would they now? Was Mark Sanchez given that "acceptance" Yes, well beyond when it was still appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted September 26, 2016 Author Share Posted September 26, 2016 Just now, Warfish said: Yes, well beyond when it was still appropriate. Not universally 19 minutes ago, JiF said: Who gives a **** about fans? Jesus man, you actually think they sit around asking each other how to handle the team based on the fan reaction. Idzik lost his job because he was a ******* disaster. Not because some idiot flew a banner over a practice. What Idzik was doing was a proper rebuild. He was fired because he sounded like a schmuck at a press conference. That was the disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Idzik was a bonafide sh*tshow of a GM. Nothing more to say there. The fans are pissed right now because this team is definitely talented enough to push for a playoff spot and sucked it up on the road in KC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuler82 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 So tired of the 'NY fans can't/won't/don't know how to accept a rebuild' tired false narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 30 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: This is why the Jets are where they are. Pure and simple. You cant have a proper rebuild in NY. Idzik tried that and the fans wanted him out of there. So Macc is trying (and doing a pretty good job) of trying to do both. Stay in somewhat contention while getting this roster full of young talent. It is already working. This is why Ryan Fitzpatrick was resigned, he had the best year in Jets QB and the fans would boo Geno Smith the moment he stepped on the field (in fact they did in preseason) Luckily, Macc signed him to a contract that wouldnt impeded progress. The Jets will end up with 6 or 7 wins this year, and probably be the better for it. Having Marshall, Decker and Forte as your 3 primary offensive weapons is not a rebuild team. Oh yea and that 34 year old QB they have. Revis on D, Harris at LB? Rebuild? Are we watching the same team?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 2 minutes ago, shuler82 said: So tired of the 'NY fans can't/won't/don't know how to accept a rebuild' tired false narrative. We been rebuilding since 1969 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted September 26, 2016 Author Share Posted September 26, 2016 Just now, kevinc855 said: Having Marshall, Decker and Forte as your 3 primary offensive weapons is not a rebuild team. Oh yea and that 34 year old QB they have. Revis on D, Harris at LB? Rebuild? Are we watching the same team?? All short term contracts that by the time they are done, new talent will be put in place. Competing and rebuilding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted September 26, 2016 Author Share Posted September 26, 2016 1 minute ago, joewilly12 said: We been rebuilding since 1969 Not properly. 1978 since a full rebuild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 10 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Not universally What Idzik was doing was a proper rebuild. He was fired because he sounded like a schmuck at a press conference. That was the disaster. You're the most delusional sports fan I've ever witnessed. It's fascinating. I want to stop responding you but I cant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted September 26, 2016 Author Share Posted September 26, 2016 Just now, JiF said: You're the most delusional sports fan I've ever witnessed. It's fascinating. I want to stop responding you but I cant. Delusional? In what way? I can see the thinking of the GM and most fans and media cant see the forest for the trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 11 minutes ago, shuler82 said: So tired of the 'NY fans can't/won't/don't know how to accept a rebuild' tired false narrative. I know, what are they going to do? Did they leave the Mets forever? Knicks? Rangers? Bet most Yankee fans like the youth movement over the sign every name routine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 3 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Delusional? In what way? I can see the thinking of the GM and most fans and media cant see the forest for the trees. In every single way possible. This particular scenario - you think Idzik was fired because of a press conference and not because he went basically 1 for 14 in the draft while trying to rebuild and basically ignoring this other super groovy avenue of getting players called Free Agency and trotting out the worst roster in the NFL 2 straight seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted September 26, 2016 Author Share Posted September 26, 2016 Just now, Jet Nut said: I know, what are they going to do? Did they leave the Mets forever? Knicks? Rangers? Did you see Citi Field during those lean years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Oh goody goody gumdrops they're going to sacrifice another year to the premise of "rebuilding" so they'll be better next year. Who CARES about next year. For all we know the team might end up with oh say, improbable number like 12 say draft picks and those sure things will help this franchise for the next 5 years...oh wait...nevermind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted September 26, 2016 Author Share Posted September 26, 2016 Just now, JiF said: In every single way possible. This particular scenario - you think Idzik was fired because of a press conference and not because he went basically 1 for 14 in the draft while trying to rebuild and basically ignoring this other super groovy avenue of getting players called Free Agency and trotting out the worst roster in the NFL 2 straight seasons. Idzik would have had to spend the money next year anyway. When you rebuild properly, you are going to struggle initially. Houston Astros are the prime example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 42 minutes ago, Warfish said: Jets Fans would accept Petty or Hack starting better than they'd accept Fitz or Geno starting. They'd be more accepting of "hope", no matter how thin, than of proven failures like Fitz and Geno. This is demonstrably false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 17 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Not universally And? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted September 26, 2016 Author Share Posted September 26, 2016 Just now, Warfish said: And? And what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Just now, dbatesman said: This is demonstrably false. And your evidence of that is...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 6 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Did you see Citi Field during those lean years. I said they didn't lose fans forever. Of course they'll take a hit in attendance, but you don't lose the fanbase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 1 minute ago, Warfish said: And your evidence of that is...? We tried to do exactly what you're talking about in 2013 and 2014 and people bought a ******* billboard to run the GM out of town. The idea that this fanbase will tolerate even a minor step back with an eye toward future contention is a total fiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmajet Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 forget the fans. you want to build a team that is always competing. you want to build a culture of winning. and, even if you are okay with 4-12 for a few years, how would it stifle Petty's progress to get thrown in when he wasn't ready. Also, the GM won't be able to build a quality team as they would be fired after the 2nd year. You would never have a winner. Look at Ten. The have 'rebuilt' with an all in approach to the QB position 3 times in the last 12 years. How has that turned out for them? How would you like to be a Browns fan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 what happens if the Jets go on a roll along with Fitz like they did the end of last year ? Fitz had a horrible game worst I've ever seen him play but he is not the underlying problem here. This game was a freak show and was certainly not the norm. The plays being called yesterday were dumb and played right into the Chiefs hands and no adjustment was made. Fitz was stupid for continuing to throw to double and triple covered receivers so obviously that's on him but what was done to adjust ? ^You can only audible out of stupidity so many times. Bottom line is I don't expect this to happen again and I have seen plenty of very good football teams rebound from something like this and look like totally different teams. Last year we watched Seattle play terrible for their first 4 games then turn it on and beat the crap out of teams. We've seen NE do it how many times did we read TOm Bradys finished after a bad start to the season ? We've seen the Steelers do it as well. We've seen the Ravens do it . Big difference is those teams have a serious coaching edge on us and long tenurerd coaches who game plan well and adjust. Lets see how this coaching staff adjusts to the mess we saw yesterday no matter what that calls for them to do including replacing the QB if they deem necessary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 1 hour ago, JiF said: Jesus man, you actually think they sit around asking each other how to handle the team based on the fan reaction. Without question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 1 hour ago, UnitedWhofans said: This is why the Jets are where they are. Pure and simple. You cant have a proper rebuild in NY. Idzik tried that and the fans wanted him out of there. So Macc is trying (and doing a pretty good job) of trying to do both. Stay in somewhat contention while getting this roster full of young talent. It is already working. This is why Ryan Fitzpatrick was resigned, he had the best year in Jets QB and the fans would boo Geno Smith the moment he stepped on the field (in fact they did in preseason) Luckily, Macc signed him to a contract that wouldnt impeded progress. The Jets will end up with 6 or 7 wins this year, and probably be the better for it. Idzik wasn't fired for trying a rebuild. Idzik was fired for being awful at his primary job - finding talent. When you have 12 picks in one of the deepest drafts in modern history and come out with Calvin Pryor, Quincy Enunwa, and not much else, you deserve to be fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted September 26, 2016 Author Share Posted September 26, 2016 2 minutes ago, Doggin94it said: Idzik wasn't fired for trying a rebuild. Idzik was fired for being awful at his primary job - finding talent. When you have 12 picks in one of the deepest drafts in modern history and come out with Calvin Pryor, Quincy Enunwa, and not much else, you deserve to be fired. Not much time to find out about his picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Not much time to find out about his picks. Didn't need much, unfortunately Sent from my SM-G920T using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted September 26, 2016 Author Share Posted September 26, 2016 Just now, Doggin94it said: Didn't need much, unfortunately Sent from my SM-G920T using Tapatalk Bull. Enunwa wasn't even a known commodity until this year. Idzik was fired because he looked like an idiot at a presser and fans had no patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Bull. Enunwa wasn't even a known commodity until this year. Idzik was fired because he looked like an idiot at a presser and fans had no patience. Yes. But McDougal, saunders, evans, and essentially all the rest of the 12 were Sent from my SM-G920T using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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