Powpow Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 I find him to be way over his head. So many of his moves have backfired and he was essentially forced into signing Fitz to that 12 mill. His first mistake was not cutting Geno immediately. Send a message, clean house. Trade for Glennon which would have given him a QB with much more promise and then draft the Petty's and Hacks. Instead he wasted numous high picks on players that were highly questionable and unnecessary. Big Cat, who I do love, over Gurley. But BIG Mistake. Gurley is a game breaker who we haven't had since Freeman McNeil. And we had surplus there as it was. Signing Revis and Harris to huge contracts. Dumb and dumb. Wasting two #2 and a # 1 on Devin Smith, Hack and Darin Lee instead of fortifying an old and inferior OL. Wasting billions on a suspect secondary that has got to be one of the worst in the history of the NFL. Gurley and Glennon and drafting some young OL are just a few simple moves that would have transformed this team and set them up. Instead we have an old, unbalanced joke of a team that will take years to get back up to being competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Ever hear the story about the guy who thought he farted but sh*t his pants..................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 1 minute ago, joewilly12 said: Ever hear the story about the guy who thought he farted but sh*t his pants..................... I know you think you know what you're talking about. But in reality you just don't know. You know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Just now, Powpow said: I know you think you know what you're talking about. But in reality you just don't know. You know? What about the story about the guy from Natucket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 4 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Ever hear the story about the guy who thought he farted but sh*t his pants..................... I bet he drank a lot of Starbucks coffee ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 We'd still have the worst and most expensive secondary in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 Just now, Matt39 said: We'd still have the worst and most expensive secondary in football. Well my point is how could Mac have signed or drafted differently instead of the Idziotic moves he has made. I was totally against the Harris and Revis signings and keeping that POS Smith on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Jets fan Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 10 minutes ago, Powpow said: I find him to be way over his head. So many of his moves have backfired and he was essentially forced into signing Fitz to that 12 mill. His first mistake was not cutting Geno immediately. Send a message, clean house. Trade for Glennon which would have given him a QB with much more promise and then draft the Petty's and Hacks. Instead he wasted numous high picks on players that were highly questionable and unnecessary. Big Cat, who I do love, over Gurley. But BIG Mistake. Gurley is a game breaker who we haven't had since Freeman McNeil. And we had surplus there as it was. Signing Revis and Harris to huge contracts. Dumb and dumb. Wasting two #2 and a # 1 on Devin Smith, Hack and Darin Lee instead of fortifying an old and inferior OL. Wasting billions on a suspect secondary that has got to be one of the worst in the history of the NFL. Gurley and Glennon and drafting some young OL are just a few simple moves that would have transformed this team and set them up. Instead we have an old, unbalanced joke of a team that will take years to get back up to being competitive. What year do you think it is? You do not draft RB in first round big cat was best prospect in the draft and is a great player. His mistake was not trading Wilk and saving that $ and getting some picks. No team wins anymore with a good running game and a defense that stops the run. It's a passing league and that's what matters. Please try to remember with the Revis and Harris contracts, the Jets had to spend the $ that year. They HAD to spend $$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 7 minutes ago, Joe Jets fan said: What year do you think it is? You do not draft RB in first round big cat was best prospect in the draft and is a great player. His mistake was not trading Wilk and saving that $ and getting some picks. No team wins anymore with a good running game and a defense that stops the run. It's a passing league and that's what matters. Please try to remember with the Revis and Harris contracts, the Jets had to spend the $ that year. They HAD to spend $$ So waste money on 2 overaged over the hill players in Revis and Harris. Hows that working? Wilk could not be traded, he tried. And Big Cat, who I do admire, was just unnecessary. Gurley is a dynamic back. And you go with a back like him for that reason ala Zeke who is on his way to rookie of the year or maybe even MVP. Looking really for others opinions as to what Mac could have done differently. I offered a few which alone would have changed things considerably. And I mentioned these before the fact not after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 26 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: What about the story about the guy from Natucket. Yes I heard he knows that you don't know what you're talking about. You know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 I think we should definitely sit back and watch how the team unfold under Mac for At least another year before we start judging him. You talk about moves that backfired but he has also had plenty that worked out well too. Knitpicking through garbage to find a way to blame our lack of success on Mac is way premature imo especially after the past two gms we had.Sent from my LG-D850 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Bowles can take a hike. I am in a holding pattern with Macc. Hate the Hackenberg pick. But I see what he was trying to do these past two years. I think we'll see a change from his '15 and '16 plan going into '17. Less filling with veterans to stay competitive and more focusing on building something from the ground up. I think the Jets found some potentially useful players. Albeit, seems like he does better with UDFAs. He needs to get the '17 draft right if he wants to continue his modified vision. The offensive line is a crumbling mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Bowles can take a hike. I am in a holding pattern with Macc. Hate the Hackenberg pick. But I see what he was trying to do these past two years. I think we'll see a change from his '15 and '16 plan going into '17. Less filling with veterans to stay competitive and more focusing on building something from the ground up. I think the Jets found some potentially useful players. Albeit, seems like he does better with UDFAs. He needs to get the '17 draft right if he wants to continue his modified vision. The offensive line is a crumbling mess. I would have really loved the hackenburg pick if we could have swung as trade for a viable veteran qb for him to sit behind for a year or two without fans screaming for him to start. Mac worked in huston where hacks former college coach is and I have to believe Mac had some insight on this kid that none of us have seen, keep in mind hack is very clearly a mac pick and his future may someday depend on the performance of hack. Sent from my LG-D850 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 all GM's with no QB look the same, and that's about 25/32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Hypothetical woulda, coulda, shoulda. Is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 26 minutes ago, Warfish said: Hypothetical woulda, coulda, shoulda. Is what it is. Whoooa that's profound dude! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Warfish Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 22 minutes ago, Powpow said: Whoooa that's profound dude! Any thread that starts with "...shoulda traded for Glennon, then what if..." deserves little else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 8 minutes ago, Warfish said: Any thread that starts with "...shoulda traded for Glennon, then what if..." deserves little else. Whoooa Villain you get this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 11 hours ago, Joe Jets fan said: What year do you think it is? You do not draft RB in first round big cat was best prospect in the draft and is a great player. His mistake was not trading Wilk and saving that $ and getting some picks. No team wins anymore with a good running game and a defense that stops the run. It's a passing league and that's what matters. Please try to remember with the Revis and Harris contracts, the Jets had to spend the $ that year. They HAD to spend $$ You had me 100% until the last paragraph. They did not need to spend money on two old, overpriced, short-term veterans. You want to spend money just to spend cash, go spend it locking up younger players or if there aren't enough of those then further frontload existing contracts. Same money spent, without losing future flexibility. The Revis and Harris contracts - not to mention the Cromartie contract - were in no way required. I wish people would stop pretending there is some connection between a need to spend cash with a need to bring in overpriced, has-been veterans on their 3rd multi-year NFL contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 11 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: You had me 100% until the last paragraph. They did not need to spend money on two old, overpriced, short-term veterans. You want to spend money just to spend cash, go spend it locking up younger players or if there aren't enough of those then further frontload existing contracts. Same money spent, without losing future flexibility. The Revis and Harris contracts - not to mention the Cromartie contract - were in no way required. I wish people would stop pretending there is some connection between a need to spend cash with a need to bring in has-been veterans on their 3rd multi-year NFL contracts. Revis Harris Cromartie Skrine Fitzpatrick That's a lot of cash spent with very little ROI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 8 hours ago, Powpow said: I find him to be way over his head. So many of his moves have backfired and he was essentially forced into signing Fitz to that 12 mill. His first mistake was not cutting Geno immediately. Send a message, clean house. Trade for Glennon which would have given him a QB with much more promise and then draft the Petty's and Hacks. Instead he wasted numous high picks on players that were highly questionable and unnecessary. Big Cat, who I do love, over Gurley. But BIG Mistake. Gurley is a game breaker who we haven't had since Freeman McNeil. And we had surplus there as it was. Signing Revis and Harris to huge contracts. Dumb and dumb. Wasting two #2 and a # 1 on Devin Smith, Hack and Darin Lee instead of fortifying an old and inferior OL. Wasting billions on a suspect secondary that has got to be one of the worst in the history of the NFL. Gurley and Glennon and drafting some young OL are just a few simple moves that would have transformed this team and set them up. Instead we have an old, unbalanced joke of a team that will take years to get back up to being competitive. I think he should've kept Geno long enough to get a look st him. Once he was outplayed by Fitz, he should've been kicked to the curb. Adding Glennon would've been fantastic, and might still happen this offseason when Fitz retires and Geno goes to Cleveland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 8 hours ago, Joe Jets fan said: What year do you think it is? You do not draft RB in first round big cat was best prospect in the draft and is a great player. His mistake was not trading Wilk and saving that $ and getting some picks. No team wins anymore with a good running game and a defense that stops the run. It's a passing league and that's what matters. Please try to remember with the Revis and Harris contracts, the Jets had to spend the $ that year. They HAD to spend $$ Tell that to the 1st place Cowboys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 9 hours ago, Powpow said: I find him to be way over his head. So many of his moves have backfired and he was essentially forced into signing Fitz to that 12 mill. His first mistake was not cutting Geno immediately. Send a message, clean house. Trade for Glennon which would have given him a QB with much more promise and then draft the Petty's and Hacks. Instead he wasted numous high picks on players that were highly questionable and unnecessary. Big Cat, who I do love, over Gurley. But BIG Mistake. Gurley is a game breaker who we haven't had since Freeman McNeil. And we had surplus there as it was. Signing Revis and Harris to huge contracts. Dumb and dumb. Wasting two #2 and a # 1 on Devin Smith, Hack and Darin Lee instead of fortifying an old and inferior OL. Wasting billions on a suspect secondary that has got to be one of the worst in the history of the NFL. Gurley and Glennon and drafting some young OL are just a few simple moves that would have transformed this team and set them up. Instead we have an old, unbalanced joke of a team that will take years to get back up to being competitive. Monday morning analysis. I agree with much of this. It fails in the assumption that Glennon was available , i don't think he was. It assumes Glennon is servicable. Im a Wolfpack fan, not certain he is. A lot of what you state sounds like what Mangini did. It was really the last good drafting we've done. Brick, Revis, Mangold, Harris, Keller, Green. We literally had 6 or so players that were drafted within the last 2 years starting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joejet Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 I don't think you spend a top 10 pick on a running back coming off ACL surgery. If there was big $ that had to be spent that would have been the time to extend Wilkerson. That being said I believe the Revis signing was a directive from above and Revis knew it and took full advantage of it. I believe the Harris signing was probably for continuity and you can see how our running defense was without him last week. Let's give Mac the benefit of the doubt and see how his drafts pan out. I still think Smith can be a plus receiver with the right QB. The big question mark will be Hack. If he proves to be a top 10 starter down the road then all will be well, if not Mac will be skewered for taking a long shot for a second round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 2 hours ago, AFJF said: I think he should've kept Geno long enough to get a look st him. Once he was outplayed by Fitz, he should've been kicked to the curb. Adding Glennon would've been fantastic, and might still happen this offseason when Fitz retires and Geno goes to Cleveland. That would be sweet. Glennon is now a free agent. Yes? So there wouldn't be any trade involved. But his price may be high and years too lengthy for Mac to pull the trigger on him? Who knows? Maybe Mac has zero interest in him and resigns Geno to a 3 year 30 million dollar contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Kleckineau said: Tell that to the 1st place Cowboys. I've always been a proponent of an elite OL. People say it's a passing league but what good is it to have a star QB if you can't protect him. See Luck. And you still have to run. There's just no way around it. The running game sets up the pass, it allows your defense to stay off the field, it breaks down the will of your opponent. It's classic football. A top flight RB doesn't come very often and we had a shot at getting one in Gurley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 41 minutes ago, Joejet said: I don't think you spend a top 10 pick on a running back coming off ACL surgery. If there was big $ that had to be spent that would have been the time to extend Wilkerson. That being said I believe the Revis signing was a directive from above and Revis knew it and took full advantage of it. I believe the Harris signing was probably for continuity and you can see how our running defense was without him last week. Let's give Mac the benefit of the doubt and see how his drafts pan out. I still think Smith can be a plus receiver with the right QB. The big question mark will be Hack. If he proves to be a top 10 starter down the road then all will be well, if not Mac will be skewered for taking a long shot for a second round pick. Hack is certainly the wild card. But a running game is a QB's best friend. Matters not that Mac spent a high pick on him and is bringing him along slowly. Although most were aghast he was picked so high. Hack will need to be protected like a baby surrounded by wolves. The kid is so gun shy after his experience at Penn State he will need time to refocus and develop confidence in his arm and vision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Clouds Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 In addition to the running game being a qb's best friend, don't forget about a solid, pass catching tight end also being a best friend. Because for years the Jets seemed to have forgotten that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Powpow said: I've always been a proponent of an elite OL. People say it's a passing league but what good is it to have a star QB if you can't protect him. See Luck. And you still have to run. There's just no way around it. The running game sets up the pass, it allows your defense to stay off the field, it breaks down the will of your opponent. It's classic football. A top flight RB doesn't come very often and we had a shot at getting one in Gurley. Well there's Fournette this year. AS for Macc, he figured (correctly) that the competitive rebuild is the right way to go in this market. Total Rebuild wouldn't work because the fans/media/owner have no patience. (See Idzik) Most of Macc's bad moves are in hindsight. Revis, Fitz and Mo were probably driven by the owner and the fanbase who said that a good franchise resigns their star players. The only questionable move he has made IMO is drafting Hackenberg where he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20andOut Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 In 18 NFL starts Mike Glennon is 5-13 with a mediocre 83 passer rating. Why is everyone here so confident he is the miracle cure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Just now, 20andOut said: In 18 NFL starts Mike Glennon is 5-13 with a mediocre 83 passer rating. Why is everyone here so confident he is the miracle cure? If Mike Glennon was truly on anybody's radar, he would be on that team by now. Looks like Rob Johnson all over again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 Just now, 20andOut said: In 18 NFL starts Mike Glennon is 5-13 with a mediocre 83 passer rating. Why is everyone here so confident he is the miracle cure? Glennon absolutely had the worst team around him offensively and defensively. He's got 29 td's vs. 15 int's in his career and has an incredible arm. And he just had a son born on Tom Brady's birthday and named him Brady. The kid gets it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 1 minute ago, Powpow said: Glennon absolutely had the worst team around him offensively and defensively. He's got 29 td's vs. 15 int's in his career and has an incredible arm. And he just had a son born on Tom Brady's birthday and named him Brady. The kid gets it. Rob Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Jets fan Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 6 hours ago, Kleckineau said: Tell that to the 1st place Cowboys. Because of the qb they drafted.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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