Armyjet Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Our opponents W-L record for the rest of the year is 29-34 and when you exclude the Pats it is 17-32. What is so frustrating is that I envision us winning just enough games to keep things interesting and then finish at 7-9 with a terrible draft pick and nothing to show for it. I can see us going into the bye at 5-5 and full of false hope only to be fitzmagicked again and getting buried by the Pats down the stretch. Does it make me a bad fan that I kind of want the train to come off the tracks so we can save the future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Just now, Armyjet said: Our opponents W-L record for the rest of the year is 29-34 and when you exclude the Pats it is 17-32. What is so frustrating is that I envision us winning just enough games to keep things interesting and then finish at 7-9 with a terrible draft pick and nothing to show for it. I can see us going into the bye at 5-5 and full of false hope only to be fitzmagicked again and getting buried by the Pats down the stretch. Does it make me a bad fan that I kind of want the train to come off the tracks so we can save the future? 1. What is the definition of a terrible draft pick? 2. I had them going 7-9 this year anyway. 3. If you don't want to be teased, don't expect it to happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armyjet Posted October 24, 2016 Author Share Posted October 24, 2016 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: 1. What is the definition of a terrible draft pick? 2. I had them going 7-9 this year anyway. 3. If you don't want to be teased, don't expect it to happen So you'd rather be mired in mediocrity for the forseeable future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 why is it disappointing? should they play a playoff team every week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 4 minutes ago, Armyjet said: So you'd rather be mired in mediocrity for the forseeable future? Only until Jets fans can accept a full rebuild without going nuts. Idzik got fired because of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armyjet Posted October 24, 2016 Author Share Posted October 24, 2016 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: Only until New Yorkers can accept a full rebuild without going nuts Id rather have 5-6 years of sustained succes with a full rebuild than 10 years of false hopes and desperate FA acquisitions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 1 minute ago, Armyjet said: Id rather have 5-6 years of sustained succes with a full rebuild than 10 years of false hopes and desperate FA acquisitions Unfortunately, you are in the minority. FO is afraid if they do a full rebuild, fans wont come to games and they will not make money No team can do it. Yankees can't do it, Knicks can't do it. The Mets have been the only team that did it, and that was only because Madoff stole a ton on money from the owners, so they couldnt afford free agents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rex-n-effect Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 what kind of person looks forward to losses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armyjet Posted October 24, 2016 Author Share Posted October 24, 2016 Just now, rex-n-effect said: what kind of person looks forward to losses? the opposite of the person who looks forward to meaningless wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 11 minutes ago, Armyjet said: What is so frustrating is that I envision us winning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armyjet Posted October 24, 2016 Author Share Posted October 24, 2016 Just now, Warfish said: quite the oxymoron right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 The Jets are going 10-6 and making the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armyjet Posted October 24, 2016 Author Share Posted October 24, 2016 1 minute ago, JiF said: The Jets are going 10-6 and making the playoffs. So we're going to run the table and split with the pats? Okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 The real root of the problem is that teams cant seem to develop QBs anymore from the middle rounds, outside of some longshots (Wilson and Prescott) Joe Montana: 3rd round Randall Cunningham: 2nd round Drew Brees: 2nd round Hell, even late 1st round picks are now "bad picks" Flacco and Rodgers were both drafted late first round. Big Ben was drafted outside the top ten So people believe the only way you can get a franchise QB is to suck and than draft top ten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 2 minutes ago, Armyjet said: So we're going to run the table and split with the pats? Okay. Yes. We will beat them at home and lose away. 10-6 believe team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armyjet Posted October 24, 2016 Author Share Posted October 24, 2016 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: The real root of the problem is that teams cant seem to develop QBs anymore from the middle rounds, outside of some longshots (Wilson and Prescott) Joe Montana: 3rd round Randall Cunningham: 2nd round Drew Brees: 2nd round Or the fact that the jets can't develop any players outside of the 1st round. Every player on this roster who has contributed in a major way has been a 1st rounder outside of David Harrris and maybe Bilal Powell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 1 minute ago, Armyjet said: quite the oxymoron right? It's a view I will never understand. Final game, we're 1-14, and 1-15 gives us the #1 overall pick? Ok, I could come round to "yeah, it's fine if we lose, I guess". 2-5, and you're mad your team still wants/plays to win? Because something something draft pick, as if that's our savior going forward? Let me put it another way, if we have Coaches and players who pack it in at 2-5, and "play for 2017", then we have far bigger problems than a 2-5 record. The kind of problems one draft pick a few slots higher than otherwise will not fix. I'd say stop rooting against your own team, but that's the trendy thing on JN this year. What will be, will be. Rooting for loses won't give us a Franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Just now, Armyjet said: Or the fact that the jets can't develop any players outside of the 1st round. Every player on this roster who has contributed in a major way has been a 1st rounder outside of David Harrris and maybe Bilal Powell. And that is beginning to change. With the young WRs (Plus Enunwa, who was a 6th round pick) and the young LBers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armyjet Posted October 24, 2016 Author Share Posted October 24, 2016 3 minutes ago, Warfish said: It's a view I will never understand. Final game, we're 1-14, and 1-15 gives us the #1 overall pick? Ok, I could come round to "yeah, it's fine if we lose, I guess". 2-5, and you're mad your team still wants/plays to win? Because something something draft pick, as if that's our savior going forward? Let me put it another way, if we have Coaches and players who pack it in at 2-5, and "play for 2017", then we have far bigger problems than a 2-5 record. The kind of problems one draft pick a few slots higher than otherwise will not fix. I'd say stop rooting against your own team, but that's the trendy thing on JN this year. What will be, will be. Rooting for loses won't give us a Franchise QB. Rooting to make a playoff run when your team doesnt have the quality to make it out of the first round doesnt either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K_O_Brien Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Regardless of any spike in performance and wins, it is hard to see the Jets not picking in the top ten. Who else will be taking a QB? Browns, 49s, Bears? One of Kizer, Trubisky, Kaaya and Watson will be there. After whiffing on Wentz, the Browns will take their selection at one. After that, if we prefer one of the other three over the others, the option to move up should be there at a semi-reasonable cost (I'd have us picking no higher than 7 or 8 tops) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 1 minute ago, Armyjet said: Rooting to make a playoff run when your team doesnt have the quality to make it out of the first round doesnt either. Well if that's the case, why were people disappointed last year? I dont think that Jets team gets out of the 1st round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armyjet Posted October 24, 2016 Author Share Posted October 24, 2016 3 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: And that is beginning to change. With the young WRs (Plus Enunwa, who was a 6th round pick) and the young LBers. I do like what Macc has done thus far with the young WR's. However I cannot tell you how frustrating it is to see the development of these guys stunted with QB's who cant appropriately exploit defenses with these kid's talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Just now, K_O_Brien said: Regardless of any spike in performance and wins, it is hard to see the Jets not picking in the top ten. Who else will be taking a QB? Browns, 49s, Bears? One of Kizer, Trubisky, Kaaya and Watson will be there. After whiffing on Wentz, the Browns will take their selection at one. After that, if we prefer one of the other three over the others, the option to move up should be there at a semi-reasonable cost (I'd have us picking no higher than 7 or 8 tops) And if we are still picking in the top ten it will be easier for Macc to move up than last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Just now, Armyjet said: I do like what Macc has done thus far with the young WR's. However I cannot tell you how frustrating it is to see the development of these guys stunted with QB's who cant appropriately exploit defenses with these kid's talent There are ways to get around that. We saw it yesterday with Anderson on the reverse. I dont think they're development is stunted either. IN fac, their route running closer to the QB should be improving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 We should win as many games as possible, there is no 'we better lose' type QB's out there this year and that would be the only reason to tank and only late in a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 34 minutes ago, Armyjet said: Our opponents W-L record for the rest of the year is 29-34 and when you exclude the Pats it is 17-32. What is so frustrating is that I envision us winning just enough games to keep things interesting and then finish at 7-9 with a terrible draft pick and nothing to show for it. I can see us going into the bye at 5-5 and full of false hope only to be fitzmagicked again and getting buried by the Pats down the stretch. Does it make me a bad fan that I kind of want the train to come off the tracks so we can save the future? Would you rather go 2-14 and watch them lose each week for the false hope of drafting that QB that you feel will fix all the jets problems? "OH man a soft schedule, I get to watch the Jets win. MY LIFE IS SOOO TOUGH." Someone call the waaaaaambulence on this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Just now, kevinc855 said: Would you rather go 2-14 and watch them lose each week for the false hope of drafting that QB that you feel will fix all the jets problems? "OH man a soft schedule, I get to watch the Jets win. MY LIFE IS SOOO TOUGH." Someone call the waaaaaambulence on this guy. Now if there was a Luck in the draft, then I can get it. Neither Watson nor Kizer have impressed me this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 27 minutes ago, rex-n-effect said: what kind of person looks forward to losses? Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 It doesn't make you a bad fan. I get it. You're sick of not being elite and winning championships like the rest of us. I don't want us finishing with a top 3 pick however, because that would mean that this team is further away from that goal. My hope is that this team finishes strong, our young players develop, our inexperienced head coach learns from mistakes and comes into his role. This team needs a foundation to build on. I'm hoping its already here. If we need to fire another regime and start over it just means again we're that much further away. We were never gonna win it this year anyway, lets ve honest. Im hoping we win every game even if we're out of playoffs. We need this organization and team to have something to build on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armyjet Posted October 24, 2016 Author Share Posted October 24, 2016 4 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: Would you rather go 2-14 and watch them lose each week for the false hope of drafting that QB that you feel will fix all the jets problems? "OH man a soft schedule, I get to watch the Jets win. MY LIFE IS SOOO TOUGH." Someone call the waaaaaambulence on this guy. Well clearly you need the morale boost of a meaningless win to keep your life in order. Thanks for your input! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 2 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said: It doesn't make you a bad fan. I get it. You're sick of not being elite and winning championships like the rest of us. I don't want us finishing with a top 3 pick however, because that would mean that this team is further away from that goal. My hope is that this team finishes strong, our young players develop, our inexperienced head coach learns from mistakes and comes into his role. This team needs a foundation to build on. I'm hoping its already here. If we need to fire another regime and start over it just means again we're that much further away. We were never gonna win it this year anyway, lets ve honest. Im hoping we win every game even if we're out of playoffs. We need this organization and team to have something to build on. I just want to see the young players develop. And for the most part, I have seen that. That's a good thing. I like seeing Anderson and Peake having a positive impact on the offense I like seeing Julian Stanford be second on the team in tackles for the game. ( He's not a rookie, but he's still young) I like seeing Maudlin get some good playing time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 If you look at our draft history, I'd say "Go Jets! Beat <insert team name here>" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 3 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: I just want to see the young players develop. And for the most part, I have seen that. That's a good thing. I like seeing Anderson and Peake having a positive impact on the offense I like seeing Julian Stanford be second on the team in tackles for the game. ( He's not a rookie, but he's still young) I like seeing Maudlin get some good playing time I've been cautiously encouraged but everyone you just mentioned. The two that I'm really holding my breath for is Bryce Petty and Devin Smith. With Smith's speed he could be a game changer for our team. Then obviously Petty can become a good starter who isn't throwing away games, then our roster won't be looking nearly as bad as it has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 11 minutes ago, Armyjet said: Well clearly you need the morale boost of a meaningless win to keep your life in order. Thanks for your input! No such thing as a "meaningless win" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armyjet Posted October 24, 2016 Author Share Posted October 24, 2016 Just now, kevinc855 said: No such thing as a "meaningless win" Said Rex every year in the Snoopy Bowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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