Trade Deadline

[UpstateJetsGuru]

30 minutes ago, j4jets said:

I'd send a 1st and a 2nd even for Brady at his current age if it means a deep playoff run.

He has a better defense, good weapons, and great coaching...and he would want to come here and play with double digit deficits and no tight ends to throw to each week?? 

[j4jets]

Just now, UpstateJetsGuru said:

He has a better defense, good weapons, and great coaching...and he would want to come here and play with double digit deficits and no tight ends to throw to each week?? 

Of course he wouldn't. Doesn't change the fact he'd make this team a contender even if we had our 3rd string D out there. 

[ScarletKnight89]

3 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Dolphins 2x 

Patriots 2x 

Bills 1x 

Colts 1x

Not an easy task for Fitz 

I know it's not easy. But they'll take it one game at a time and see where they're at. The games in front of them leading into the bye aren't impossible to win. Especially this week. That's all I'm saying. They aren't going to trade players away before the deadline and give up.

[Jets_Win]

21 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

The official JetNation football 

Bury it!!!!

[UpstateJetsGuru]

19 minutes ago, j4jets said:

Of course he wouldn't. Doesn't change the fact he'd make this team a contender even if we had our 3rd string D out there. 

Or, we can try to build a solid overall football team so that you don't need some "miracle worker" at QB to rescue the team. And while Brady is great, he is not going to come out and score 35-40 points a game consistently and this coaching staff probably wouldn't even know how to use him and design plays. And do you think the Jets o-line would be able to get away with holding and give him five seconds to throw every down? Plus, why does the guy have to resort to shady behavior and get himself suspended? It would be interesting for certain, I do admit that...but why not try to build a team more in the mold of the Broncos/Seahawks?

[j4jets]

4 minutes ago, UpstateJetsGuru said:

Or, we can try to build a solid overall football team so that you don't need some "miracle worker" at QB to rescue the team. And while Brady is great, he is not going to come out and score 35-40 points a game consistently and this coaching staff probably wouldn't even know how to use him and design plays. And do you think the Jets o-line would be able to get away with holding and give him five seconds to throw every down? Plus, why does the guy have to resort to shady behavior and get himself suspended? It would be interesting for certain, I do admit that...but why not try to build a team more in the mold of the Broncos/Seahawks?

First off, I hate Brady.

Second, Brady would have an orgy with Jets offense.

Third, Brady doesn't need Bowles or Chan to tell him what to do. He's been doing it for too long to know what he has to do...successfully, I must add. 

Last, we tried to build the Broncos D last year. Spent half the budget on the secondary, drafted the best DL and had the best DL on paper. But that didn't help when the QB was garbage. You can hide all your flaws with a good QB. 

[Snell41]

Yes. And look at the remaining schedule...

I'm looking at it. Besides CLE who are we truly better than? MIA will likely trounce us right now. NE twice. BUF playing much better and an axe to grind with us. LA is pretty much our mirror image. IND is 50/50. SF is on the west coast and has a tough D.

Our remaining schedule is favorable for a good team. We're not a good team. We are every bit bottom of the barrel as any other team in the league.


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[UpstateJetsGuru]

1 minute ago, j4jets said:

First off, I hate Brady.

Second, Brady would have an orgy with Jets offense.

Third, Brady doesn't need Bowles or Chan to tell him what to do. He's been doing it for too long to know what he has to do...successfully, I must add. 

Last, we tried to build the Broncos D last year. Spent half the budget on the secondary, drafted the best DL and had the best DL on paper. But that didn't help when the QB was garbage. You can hide all your flaws with a good QB. 

Let's see, Fitz had 31 TD's (a franchise record) to 15 INT's (just short of playoffs) and that is garbage, while the Broncos 9 TD 17 INT (including multiple pick 6's) QB led the to a Super Bowl victory??  Are you telling me that those teams were even on the same stratosphere considering one team won the Super Bowl with a quarterback who performed terribly versus another team whose offense put up big numbers yet failed to make the playoffs?

[ASH1962]

Yes we should send Brandon Marshall who we got 2 years younger for a 4th rounder, over to KC who just beat our asses, and saw Marshall declining due to age and the drops for a 2nd round pick.

Why not send Brian Winters to Indy for Andrew Luck while we are at it?

 

[j4jets]

Just now, UpstateJetsGuru said:

Let's see, Fitz had 31 TD's (a franchise record) to 15 INT's (just short of playoffs) and that is garbage, while the Broncos 9 TD 17 INT (including multiple pick 6's) QB led the to a Super Bowl victory??  Are you telling me that those teams were even on the same stratosphere considering one team won the Super Bowl with a quarterback who performed terribly versus another team whose offense put up big numbers yet failed to make the playoffs?

You didn't happen to catch the Bills games, did you? Remind me again how many games your all-world QB won when he had to score 23+ points to win? That, my friend, is not the type of QB I was referring to. And lets not compare the Jets D to the Broncos D from last year. You're relying to too many anomalies. 

[ScarletKnight89]

27 minutes ago, Snell41 said:

 

 

I'm looking at it. Besides CLE who are we truly better than? MIA will likely trounce us right now. NE twice. BUF playing much better and an axe to grind with us. LA is pretty much our mirror image. IND is 50/50. SF is on the west coast and has a tough D.

Our remaining schedule is favorable for a good team. We're not a good team. We are every bit bottom of the barrel as any other team in the league.


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Buffalo looked like crap early in the season. Now they look better. We can't do the same thing?

Besides New England, we can beat any of those remaining teams. Not saying we will. But we can. You're not being fair if you think Miami twice and Buffalo aren't winnable games. The 49ers and Rams are as well.

[jamesr]

1 hour ago, rex-n-effect said:

I would not feel bad about a trade of Sheldon for picks but I doubt many teams would be willing to take him on knowing the future contract will be more than what many teams will want to spend on DL. 

Otherwise I do not see a lot of probable trades out there that improves our roster at any position except maybe TE. With four TEs on the roster it doesn't make sense to add to that number. Macc has done an okay job drafting (at least with later rounds) that I'd rather get more solid young guys on the roster than trade away picks for a couple years of another team's vet discards. 

Bowman was IR'd and ASJ has been hurt for a few weeks ... all we have is Davis and Bostick right now.

[CanadaSteve]

2 hours ago, varjet said:

They can't trade SR this year.  Mo is still hurt and is ineffective.  They actually need SR to play.

Woody and Co are very concerned about getting value, even if it results in an unbalanced team.  They were not going to let Mo walk, even though he was coming back off a broken leg (and would likely be impaired for a while) and we would receive a compensatory pick.  Look what the Broncos did compared to the Jets:

SIgning the QB:

• Broncos let the Texans overpay Osweiler
• Jets overpaid Fitz

Drafting a QB:

• Broncos chose/reached for a potential franchise QB in the 1st round, Paxton Lynch
• Jets passed on Lynch and chose an undersized but speedy inside LB

Inside LB

• Broncos pick them in the lower rounds and let Danny Trevethan, who is good, sign with the Bears for big money
• Jets picked an undersized ILB in the first round

3-4 DT

• Broncos let Malik Jackson, who is very good, sign with the Jaguars
• Jets franchised Mo and then signed him.

Late Round QB

• Broncos picked a relatively unknown QB from Northwestern in the 7th round in 2015, developed him and started him in 2016
• Jets picked an All-American QB in the fourth round (trading up) and will not play him.

Which team is better and more respected for its management?

This is just silly in a lot of ways. 

The Broncos took just as much a chance by signing Sanchez and hoping a 7th rounder (who was groomed a year) and a 1st round QB could work.  Jets overpaid for Fitz, but only because they did not have a QB to put in.  Petty and Hackenberg were not ready.  Petty will be ready next year to see what he has.

You get LB's in every round of the draft.  There is nothing wrong with the Darron Lee pick, UNLESS you honestly believe Paxton Lynch will be a lights out starter.

Yes, they picked a QB in the 7th round.  Developed him; what do you think the Jets are doing? 

Most of you guys would have Elway run out of town if the Jets didn't win a Super Bowl within two years.

[Skeptable]

2 hours ago, varjet said:

They can't trade SR this year.  Mo is still hurt and is ineffective.  They actually need SR to play.

Woody and Co are very concerned about getting value, even if it results in an unbalanced team.  They were not going to let Mo walk, even though he was coming back off a broken leg (and would likely be impaired for a while) and we would receive a compensatory pick.  Look what the Broncos did compared to the Jets:

SIgning the QB:

• Broncos let the Texans overpay Osweiler
• Jets overpaid Fitz

Drafting a QB:

• Broncos chose/reached for a potential franchise QB in the 1st round, Paxton Lynch
• Jets passed on Lynch and chose an undersized but speedy inside LB

Inside LB

• Broncos pick them in the lower rounds and let Danny Trevethan, who is good, sign with the Bears for big money
• Jets picked an undersized ILB in the first round

3-4 DT

• Broncos let Malik Jackson, who is very good, sign with the Jaguars
• Jets franchised Mo and then signed him.

Late Round QB

• Broncos picked a relatively unknown QB from Northwestern in the 7th round in 2015, developed him and started him in 2016
• Jets picked an All-American QB in the fourth round (trading up) and will not play him.

Which team is better and more respected for its management?

What about how they overpaid for Von Miller a 3rd down specialist

[bostonmajet]

It is a long shot, but I would totally take a #1 for Sheldon; as much as he will be missed, he eventually will move on. Also, this year is pretty much shot; we may get close to the playoffs if we go on a big winning streak, but we aren't making any noise. Trading Sheldon not only gets us a key player next year, but also saves us the 8 million on the cap.

I am not sure about Marshall. I know that he can be a problem child, but he is a true #1 where I am not convinced Q will be. If we were to trade anyone, in my mind it would be Decker (but he is hurt so nobody is trading for him). Again, I don't care about this year, but next. After next year, if one of the other WRs step up, we can move on from Marshall.

Again, what is the likely hood of either of these trades happening?

[UnknownJetFan]

Truth be told, we generally like a lot of other teams lose games we should win, but the only unwinnable game I see the rest of the way is at NE. Even NE at home at their full strength could lose to us if we run like we did this past week and play D that way most of the game. The Jets have beaten NE at MetLife multiple times so it can happen. I'd love to see us go win most of the rest of the games and at least contend for a playoff spot with whichever QB we have in there. If we can't then we can't. Not predicting any of the remaining games, but outside of NE none of them are any better than we are including the Bills and Fins. But, outside of one sided trades that give us a much better deal then the trade partner, I wouldn't make any trade that costs us draft picks or a good player. This whole DL thing has to be ironed out by finally finding a proper rotation between Leo, Richardson, and Wilk. That is the only way to make this work and stop trying Richardson so far off the line at LB. He is a deadly DE and just cause he has attributes that allow him to play at LB out of position doesn't mean we should degrade what he can do on the DLine. He was a terror against the Ravens and for any chance at winning much the rest of the way we need to have him continue that at DE.  

[sourceworx]

1 hour ago, peekskill68 said:

Saw this in SI this morning.  I think both ideas make sense if they were to happen...

 

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Jets WR Brandon Marshall to Chiefs for second-round pick

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The Chiefs have won two-straight to improve to 4–2 and their schedule could set them up to go on a long winning streak, just like they did to last season. The Jets, despite beating the Ravens, are 2–5 and going nowhere. They are in the midst of a rebuild with problems at quarterback, secondary, edge rusher and linebacker. Even though Eric Decker is lost for the season, having Marshall on the roster without a future quarterback makes no sense. Plus, he could blow up at anytime. And I’m sure he would love catching passes from the likes of Bryce Petty and Christian Hackenberg next season. On the other end, the Chiefs, who should be getting OLB Justin Houston back soon, are fine on defense (8th by FootballOutsiders.com) but plodding along on offense (20th). With JamaalCharles getting healthier, the Chiefs need some more weapons in the pass game if they want to punch through and at least make the AFC Championship Game. That would likely mean a victory over New England or Pittsburgh, and the way through both of those teams is not on the ground, it’s through the air. The Chiefs have good options at No. 1 WR(Jeremy Maclin), RB (Charles, Spencer Ware) and TE (Travis Kelce). Adding another weapon, especially a big red-zone target like Marshall, would make the Chiefs very difficult to defend. The Chiefs were knocked off by the Patriots in the postseason last year when they scored 20 points (13 until a garbage-time score). That’s not good enough to upset the Steelers or the Patriots this time around either.

 

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Jets DE Sheldon Richardson to Colts for first-round pick

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If Colts GM Ryan Grigson was okay with sending a first-round pick to the Brown for RB Trent Richardson, he should leap at the chance to finally get a disruptive young lineman like Richardson. Most people think the Colts need offensive line help. That would certainly be an improvement, but getting somebody—anybody—that can actually disrupt the opposing passer and rusher would mean a lot more (Colts are 21st in offense, 31st in defense according to FO). And Richardson is so good and his skills so varied that he could immediately help in both areas. The Jets already signed Muhammad Wilkerson to a big-money contract extension and Leonard Williams is a young stud up front. They have so many areas that need to be addressed, so New York should diversify its payroll and take some money out of the defensive line. 

 

At this point I'd make both of those trades. It's not happening though.

[UntouchableCrew]

I'd do either of those, though they don't seem likely.

[Warfish]

1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said:

This comment of yours could have been without quoting anyone. You're trying really hard to take shots at me anyplace you think you see an opening and your frustration couldn't be more obvious lol.

You should try love instead. That's what we do at JetNation. We love you all.

You suggested we trade our Kicker.  Be assured, the  was 100% warranted.

And I'm not taking shots at you Sperm.  Do us both a favor and save the persecution complex routine.

I though we were old friends, I would think you'd have a thicker skin about the occasional .

 

[munchmemory]

1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said:

This comment of yours could have been without quoting anyone. You're trying really hard to take shots at me anyplace you think you see an opening and your frustration couldn't be more obvious lol.

You should try love instead. That's what we do at JetNation. We love you all.

 

2 minutes ago, Warfish said:

You suggested we trade our Kicker.  Be assured, the  was 100% warranted.

And I'm not taking shots at you Sperm.  Do us both a favor and save the persecution complex routine.

I though we were old friends, I would think you'd have a thicker skin about the occasional .

 

Maybe Ham can broker a peace treaty?  lol

[Snell41]

Buffalo looked like crap early in the season. Now they look better. We can't do the same thing?

Besides New England, we can beat any of those remaining teams. Not saying we will. But we can. You're not being fair if you think Miami twice and Buffalo aren't winnable games. The 49ers and Rams are as well.

BUF has a lot more talent to mask a sh*tty QB.

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[ScarletKnight89]

2 minutes ago, Snell41 said:

BUF has a lot more talent to mask a sh*tty QB.

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We beat them up in week 2....in their building.

[drdetroit]

2 hours ago, SR24 said:

The browns are asking a 2nd round pick for Joe Thomas. I'd be interested to see if Clady would move to the right side if asked (unlikely) but if so i'd pull the trigger on that trade. Have Petty behind Carpenter Thomas Mangold and Clady. Definitely couldn't hurt his development lol

Trade for Thomas and cut Clady in the offseason

 

 

 

[drdetroit]

25 minutes ago, Snell41 said:

BUF has a lot more talent to mask a sh*tty QB.

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Tyron Taylor is only 10x better than all 4 of our qb's combined

 

I'd call buffalo and see if they would take a 4th for Cardale

 

[Sperm Edwards]

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

You suggested we trade our Kicker.  Be assured, the  was 100% warranted.

And I'm not taking shots at you Sperm.  Do us both a favor and save the persecution complex routine.

I though we were old friends, I would think you'd have a thicker skin about the occasional .

 

Aw. 

[Warfish]

22 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Aw. 

Lol, laugh if you like, I think we're friends.  And friends give each other grief.

Now, back to the phone for you to work on that vital Folk-for-Brees trade!

Actually, I have to object....Folk is my wife's favorite player.  She loves kickers.  Folk must stay, I just got her his jersey this year!

[Sperm Edwards]

1 minute ago, Warfish said:

Lol, laugh if you like, I think we're friends.  And friends give each other grief.

Now, back to the phone for you to work on that vital Folk-for-Brees trade!

Actually, I have to object....Folk is my wife's favorite player.  She loves kickers.  Folk must stay, I just got her his jersey this year!

Well I understand your objection. But my wife once bought me a Sanchez jersey after he was drafted. Not a reason to keep him, though.

Question was which trade would I like to see them make. Folk could be moved if the offer matched up. I didn't say he would be; I'm pretty certain he won't be. But I'm also certain we're not contending this year and the team is behaving like they still have realistic superbowl dreams.

Now I wouldn't dump him for a 7th rounder. If Arizona - who has legitimate superbowl chances - feel that Folk is going to stop their season from ending prematurely, they might offer something better that I would take.

If we didn't have him on our team, and instead had their choke artist, how high of a 2017 draft pick would you trade to acquire Folk right now?

[ljr]

5 hours ago, varjet said:

They can't trade SR this year.  Mo is still hurt and is ineffective.  They actually need SR to play.

Woody and Co are very concerned about getting value, even if it results in an unbalanced team.  They were not going to let Mo walk, even though he was coming back off a broken leg (and would likely be impaired for a while) and we would receive a compensatory pick.  Look what the Broncos did compared to the Jets:

SIgning the QB:

• Broncos let the Texans overpay Osweiler
• Jets overpaid Fitz

Drafting a QB:

• Broncos chose/reached for a potential franchise QB in the 1st round, Paxton Lynch
• Jets passed on Lynch and chose an undersized but speedy inside LB

Inside LB

• Broncos pick them in the lower rounds and let Danny Trevethan, who is good, sign with the Bears for big money
• Jets picked an undersized ILB in the first round

3-4 DT

• Broncos let Malik Jackson, who is very good, sign with the Jaguars
• Jets franchised Mo and then signed him.

Late Round QB

• Broncos picked a relatively unknown QB from Northwestern in the 7th round in 2015, developed him and started him in 2016
• Jets picked an All-American QB in the fourth round (trading up) and will not play him.

Which team is better and more respected for its management?

Broncos deserve criticism for not securing Osweiler a year earlier

they deserve credit for not paying the crazy $$$ Houston did ... But that doesn't negate the fact that they should have worked a deal out before the rest of the league saw he had some potential

also, paying 12 mil for. 1 year of Fitz in hoping for a better performance than the cr*p we've seen this year was the best option heading into this season ... That is silly to equate it to the same thing as the 70 mil or so Houston paid, lol

i wasn't sold on Lynch either ... But if he pans out that will tear all of our hearts out

 

[varjet]

43 minutes ago, ljr said:

Broncos deserve criticism for not securing Osweiler a year earlier

they deserve credit for not paying the crazy $$$ Houston did ... But that doesn't negate the fact that they should have worked a deal out before the rest of the league saw he had some potential

also, paying 12 mil for. 1 year of Fitz in hoping for a better performance than the cr*p we've seen this year was the best option heading into this season ... That is silly to equate it to the same thing as the 70 mil or so Houston paid, lol

i wasn't sold on Lynch either ... But if he pans out that will tear all of our hearts out

 

I think at least one (now Prescott) of the QBs picked at or when the Jets picked will work out to be good to very good QBs in the NFL.  The Jets picked Hack and passed on Lynch and the others.  I think when it comes to needing a QB, the BPA Rule does not apply.  The Rule if you need a QB is to consider taking the best QB available for your system unless the value is grossly out of whack.  Thus, if you thought Lynch was going to be a quality NFL QB, you take him at 15 even if he was not graded at 15.  

[bealeb319]

Id be willing to trade a year or 2 of first round picks for say a QB like Andrew Luck. 

No one would trade a qb like luck for three entire drafts...ever.

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[bealeb319]

Tyron Taylor is only 10x better than all 4 of our qb's combined
 
I'd call buffalo and see if they would take a 4th for Cardale
 

We took hackenburg in the second round of the same draft as chardale which I would assume means they liked hackenburg significantly more. What makes you think they would want chardale. If we keep petty and hack on the roster next season I would assume we target a veteran qb in the off-season as our backup they aren't going to enter next season with only qbs who have 0 nfl snaps.

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[bealeb319]

We beat them up in week 2....in their building.

And they kept us out of the playoffs last season.

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[ljr]

1 hour ago, varjet said:

I think at least one (now Prescott) of the QBs picked at or when the Jets picked will work out to be good to very good QBs in the NFL.  The Jets picked Hack and passed on Lynch and the others.  I think when it comes to needing a QB, the BPA Rule does not apply.  The Rule if you need a QB is to consider taking the best QB available for your system unless the value is grossly out of whack.  Thus, if you thought Lynch was going to be a quality NFL QB, you take him at 15 even if he was not graded at 15.  

Agree with this

Prescott had everyone miss out on how good he's performed so far

Jets FO obviously graded Lynch lower than Denver did & Hack higher than most forecasters had him going 

Lynch being legit will be more painful than Petty being a bum ... As long as they both are.

neither has shown anything yet ... But we seem to be moving with both Petty & Hack in ultra-conservative mode at this time ... Let's hope that pays off in 2017-2018

[Jet Nut]

8 hours ago, bitonti said:

Dude, Bryce Petty is hurt. it's not some conspiracy theory. The last time we all saw this player he was getting his armpit driven into field turf. We don't know what the injury is exactly or how bad it is or even how he's recovering. When I saw it, fwiw, it looked season ending at the time. It was an ugly injury. 

It's not that they "will not play him." he got hurt. sh*t happens. 

and side note Denver is a Super Bowl caliber club and they built a program around a HOF QB in Peyton Manning. The Jets tried to get Peyton Manning, remember? He stayed in school rather than let Parcells draft him. 

It's not exactly an apples to apples comparison. 

 

He also said that they let Osweiler go. Not really, they tried to sign him but Houston overpaid.  If they didn't he would be a Bronco and Lynch wouldn't be in Denver.

Also, Peyton stayed in school not so he wouldn't get drafted by Parcells and the Jets but because Parcells would not rule out trading the pick of someone offered a boatload of picks and Archie didn't like that answer.   If Parcells gave his word that he would use the pick on Peyton he would have been a Jet.  

[C Mart]

8 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

No trade required immediate help at the Safety position 

According to NFL Network's Ian Rapoport, "teams have begun expressing interest" in free agent S Taylor Mays.

Mays comes off suspension next week. Per Rapsheet, Mays is "healthy" now after spending the past few weeks in a treatment facility for substance abuse. Rapoport also mentioned that the Bengals, who cut Mays this summer, "may" have interest in bringing him back. Mays graded out as PFF's 55th-best safety out of 87 qualifiers in 2015.

How is this remotely an upgrade?