HOW ALL 31 FIRST-ROUND PICKS HAVE PLAYED THIS SEASON

[Gas2No99]

HOW ALL 31 FIRST-ROUND PICKS HAVE PLAYED THIS SEASON

See grades for Joey Bosa, Carson Wentz, Jalen Ramsey, and every 2016 first-round pick entering Week 8.

SAM MONSON | 1 DAY AGO

 

As we near the midpoint of the season, it’s time to reflect back on the first round of the 2016 NFL draft, with a focus on the production thus far from the top selections. Here we break down the play of every first-rounder (in order of their pick, not by performance). As is the case every season, a handful of players have yet to see the field due to injury or depth-chart spot, while some have made immediate impacts for their teams through the first seven weeks.

1. Jared Goff, QB, Rams (California)

Snaps: 0

Overall grade: N/A

Jared Goff looked pretty lost in the preseason, and doesn’t seem to have ever been close to assuming the No. 1 QB spot for the Rams, no matter how uninspiring Case Keenum has looked in his place. Whether or not this is a long-term issue for Goff remains up for debate, but at the very least, it’s clear the Rams underestimated just how far the rookie was from being ready to play at the NFL level.

2. Carson Wentz, QB, Eagles (North Dakota State)

Snaps: 385

Overall grade: 86.7

If Goff needed anything to put his struggles into sharper focus, the QB that was supposed to have further to go to be NFL ready has hit the ground running. Even after struggling against the Vikings, Wentz has a top-five ranking among PFF’s QB grades, and has looked entirely capable of leading an NFL offense. He has completed 63.8 percent of his passes, despite suffering 10 drops from his receivers.

3. Joey Bosa, DE/OLB, Chargers (Ohio State)

Snaps: 130

Overall grade: 87.4

Finally getting on the field in Week 5, Bosa has been a dominant force for the Chargers. He has 20 total pressures and nine defensive stops in just two-and-a-half games’ worth of snaps, and is generating pressure at a faster rate than Von Miller (doing so against some good NFL pass protectors, too). Bosa is making the whole contract dispute look ridiculous, and is a front-runner for Defensive Rookie of the Year already.

4. Ezekiel Elliott, RB, Cowboys (Ohio State)

Snaps: 291

Overall grade: 75.9

Through seven weeks of the season, Ezekiel Elliott leads the league in rushing (703 yards), but much of the heavy lifting has been done by the Dallas offensive line. Only five backs have a smaller percentage of their rushing yards come after contact, and Elliott has broken only 11 tackles. He has played well, but not nearly as well as the box-score stats suggest.

5. Jalen Ramsey, CB, Jaguars (Florida State)

Snaps: 421

Overall grade: 72.3

Ramsey has had good and bad games so far this season for the Jaguars, but definitely flashed the high-level potential that made him such a high draft pick. He has allowed 61.8 percent of the passes thrown his way to be caught and a passer rating of 102.9.

6. Ronnie Stanley, OT, Ravens (Notre Dame)

Snaps: 210

Overall grade: 71.2

Ronnie Stanley didn’t quite live up to the levels he showed in the preseason before injury took him out of the lineup following Week 3. He has only allowed one sack, but has surrendered nine total pressures and three penalties in fewer than half the snaps of some of the other tackles with comparable numbers.

7. DeForest Buckner, DE, 49ers (Oregon)

Snaps: 391

Overall grade: 74.9

DeForest Buckner has been extremely active for the 49ers, but has yet to be as destructive in the NFL as he was at Oregon. He has two sacks, three hits, 12 hurries, a batted pass, and 12 defensive stops, but has struggled to anchor against double teams, in particular, and has been part of a lightweight 49ers’ defensive front that has struggled to stop the run.

8. Jack Conklin, OT, Titans (Michigan State)

Snaps: 476

Overall grade: 86.4

Conklin has been one of the most impressive rookies right off the bat. He has yet to surrender a sack, and has given up just 11 total pressures and a penalty on nearly 500 snaps of NFL action. The Titans do give him a little more help than average in terms of sliding the line that way and providing extra blocking help, but he still performs better than average when they don’t make those adjustments.

9. Leonard Floyd, OLB, Bears (Georgia)

Snaps: 206

Overall grade: 43.9

A versatile player at Georgie, Leonard Floyd has been deployed by the Bears almost exclusively as an outside linebacker in their defense, but has just eight total pressures to his name—even if three of them are sacks. He hasn’t been bad, but the Bears had likely hoped for a little more impact.

10. Eli Apple, CB, Giants (Ohio State)

Snaps: 171

Overall grade: 66.1

Apple has only been thrown at 18 times this season, allowing 11 of those passes (61.1 percent) to be caught. He has yet to notch an interception, but has three pass breakups and is allowing a passer rating of 100.9 when targeted.

11. Vernon Hargreaves III, CB, Buccaneers (Florida)

Snaps: 380

Overall grade: 68.4

Hargreaves was dominant in the preseason, and while he hasn’t been quite that good in the regular season, he has been a solid starter for the Bucs. Thrown at 37 times—surrendering 25 receptions (67.6 percent)—he has yet to allow a touchdown, and like Apple, has yet to record his first NFL interception.

12. Sheldon Rankins, DT, Saints (Louisville)

Snaps: 0

Overall grade: N/A

A broken fibula suffered in the preseason has kept Sheldon Rankins off the field entirely this season.

13. Laremy Tunsil, G, Dolphins (Ole Miss)

Snaps: 365

Overall grade: 77.2

Laremy Tunsil has played left guard for Miami, but has seen time at left tackle when injuries forced reshuffles along the line. Tunsil has allowed just one sack all season (coming when he was at left tackle), and the past couple of weeks have seen him run-blocking well.

14. Karl Joseph, S, Raiders (West Virginia)

Snaps: 328

Overall grade: 80.0

It took Oakland a couple of weeks to get Joseph on the field, but since then, the former Mountaineer has been a starting member of the secondary and played well, particularly in coverage. He has 10 defensive stops, which leads all rookie safeties, and is the only one of the group with an interception.

15. Corey Coleman, WR, Browns (Baylor)

Snaps: 102

Overall grade: 67.4

Injuries have limited Coleman’s playing time, and right now, he doesn’t even have the most snaps among Browns rookie WRs. He has been thrown at just 12 times, catching seven passes for 173 yards and two touchdowns. Coleman is a big play waiting to happen, but he needs to be on the field to perform.

16. Taylor Decker, OT, Lions (Ohio State)

Snaps: 451

Overall grade: 79.4

Taylor Decker wasn’t somebody that PFF analysts were too high on in the draft process, but so far as a rookie, he has performed reasonably well. Decker has surrendered three sacks, 17 total QB pressures, and has been flagged five times, but many of those have been late in developing, and he actually has a solid pass-protection grade.

17. Keanu Neal, S, Falcons (Florida) - THIS is what was expected of Calvin Pryor 

Snaps: 332

Overall grade: 83.7

Neal has brought a presence to the Falcons’ defense that just makes the unit look better when he’s on the field. Capable of delivering big hits, he has eight defensive stops to his name and has been used to cover people one-on-one often. Neal has been thrown at 37 times when in primary coverage—20 more times than any other rookie safety—but has allowed just 51.4 percent of those passes to be caught.

18. Ryan Kelly, C, Colts (Alabama)

Snaps: 502

Overall grade: 78.8

First-round interior linemen are supposed to be safe, solid picks, and so far Ryan Kelly has been that. The former Alabama standout has yet to allow a sack on Andrew Luck, though he has surrendered 12 QB pressures; Kelly’s run blocking has also been impressive. The rookie center hasn’t exactly dominated, but he has been more than solid, which for the Colts’ offensive line is an upgrade over previous seasons.

19. Shaq Lawson, DE, Bills (Clemson)

Snaps: 13

Overall grade: N/A

Shoulder surgery shut Shaq Lawson down before he had a chance to get near the field, but he has just made it back, and Week 7 marked his first NFL snaps. He recorded a hurry and one defensive stop, but 13 snaps is too small of a sample size to give him a fair grade.

20. Darron Lee, LB, Jets (Ohio State)

Snaps: 273

Overall grade: 38.8

Darron Lee has all the athleticism and measurables in the world, but they have yet to translate to quality play on the field. In coverage, in particular, he has been underwhelming; Lee has been responsible for three touchdowns in seven weeks, as well as the most receiving yards of any rookie linebacker.

21. Will Fuller, WR, Texans (Notre Dame)

Snaps: 376

Overall grade: 69.2

An explosive start to his season hasn’t continued as the Texans may have hoped, but much of that has been down to the play of QB Brock Osweiler. Fuller has two touchdowns and 349 receiving yards, but also four drops to his name, catching only 53.3 percent of the passes thrown his way.

22. Josh Doctson, WR, Redskins (TCU)

Snaps: 31

Overall grade: N/A

Josh Doctson’s rookie season has been blighted by injury, and he had only seen the field in two games—the first two of the year—before being placed on IR, ending his season.

23. Laquon Treadwell, WR, Vikings (Ole Miss)

Snaps: 11

Overall grade: N/A

We’re seven weeks into the season and the Minnesota Vikings’ offense—still in need of an impact receiver—has put Treadwell on the field just 11 times. Mike Zimmer has a reputation for bringing young players along slowly, but nothing about this is good for the Vikings in the short term.

24. William Jackson III, CB, Bengals (Houston)

Snaps: 0

Overall grade: N/A

A torn pectoral muscle suffered in the first padded practice quelled Jackson’s rookie impact, and the team is still not sure if he will make it back for any of his first season.

25. Artie Burns, CB, Steelers (University of Miami)

Snaps: 239

Overall grade: 50.1

Much of the downgrades Burns has received have been in the run game, and his six missed tackles lead all rookie cornerbacks, but his coverage has been less than stellar, too. He has allowed 70.8 percent of the passes thrown his way to be caught, and is giving up a passer rating of 108.0 when targeted.

26. Paxton Lynch, QB, Broncos (Memphis)

Snaps: 119

Overall grade: 48.9

Trevor Siemian is the Denver starter, but injury has given Paxton Lynch some snaps in his stead. Nothing Lynch did in those snaps will have anybody writing about a QB controversy any time soon, however. Lynch made a few nice passes, but there was plenty of bad in there, and he looked like a rookie QB in need of development time.

27. Kenny Clark, DT, Packers (UCLA)

Snaps: 147

Overall grade: 70.0

UCLA’s late graduation put Kenny Clark behind the eight-ball from the outset, but he has been improving over the past few weeks, and has begun to make a legitimate impact as a run defender. Clark has just one total pressure on the season as a pass-rusher, but has recorded seven defensive stops, all of which have come in the run game.

28. Joshua Garnett, G, 49ers (Stanford)

Snaps: 149

Overall grade: 47.5

Joshua Garnett didn’t get on the field until Week 5, playing 18 snaps against the Arizona Cardinals, but he has started the two games since. He was completely victimized by Buccaneers DT Gerald McCoy in the passing game, but did well as a run blocker. Garnett already surrendered 13 total pressures in just 100 pass-blocking snaps.

29. Robert Nkemdiche, DT, Cardinals (Ole Miss)

Snaps: 25

Overall grade: N/A

A high-ankle sprain has kept Nkemdiche off the field almost entirely. He suffered the injury in camp, and then re-aggravated it almost as soon as he made it back on the field. 25 snaps are too small of a sample size for a fair grade for the rookie.

30. Vernon Butler, DT, Panthers (Louisiana Tech)

Snaps: 64

Overall grade: 71.4

Carolina’s defensive front hasn’t been anything near the unit it was last season, and the Panthers could have done with an impact from Butler off the bench, but that just hasn’t happened. Butler has only played 64 snaps, and has just two total pressures from 46 pass-rushing snaps, along with only one stop in the run game.

31. Germain Ifedi, G, Seahawks (Texas A&M)

Snaps: 189

Overall grade: 35.7

Injury kept Germain Ifedi sidelined until Week 4, but his three games since have been poor, albeit against some tough competition in two of the three contests. Against the Cardinals he was abused by Calais Campbell, in particular, surrendering three QB pressures and a penalty; he also got destroyed quickly on more than one occasion, only for the ball to come out before it became pressure. At this point, Ifedi is more athlete than football player.

 

 

 

[PCP63]

Guess they're ignoring the fact that most of those yards came on great coverage where the receiver simply made a great play.

 

PFF is a joke.

[SickJetFan]

Well the good news here is all the picks after 18 pretty much sucked so what choice did the jets have?

[Gas2No99]

eh, like everything it's a subjective write up by the author. 

I took it as a quick flyer on how all the other 1st rounders are performing. Fair amount lost to injury and some surprises - Keanu Neal.

Bosa has been slaying it despite the hold-out. 

[Larz]

what little I saw of joey bosa, that muther is just about unblockable

[Barkus]

30 minutes ago, SickJetFan said:

Well the good news here is all the picks after 18 pretty much sucked so what choice did the jets have?

Agree, guess not a deep draft.

[varjet]

2 hours ago, SickJetFan said:

Well the good news here is all the picks after 18 pretty much sucked so what choice did the jets have?

Based on this, one would argue that the pick was Paxton Lynch, since at least he had the potential to be a top QB, I guess.

My guess is that Lee ends the season with a better rating, if he recovers from his injury.

[southparkcpa]

Standard NY JETS apologist response....  you cant measure a player until the 3rd tear.

Yes...because thats when you know for certain that you have a Gholsten or Milner on your hands.

We are a misfit group because we cant draft well. We then go to FA, etc and get someone else's players and overpay.

 

 

 

[BurnleyJet]

Well it's early, he looks terrible to me, but then the entire D looks terrible. Not a fan of the pick but we can hope.

[SickJetFan]

7 hours ago, varjet said:

Based on this, one would argue that the pick was Paxton Lynch, since at least he had the potential to be a top QB, I guess.

My guess is that Lee ends the season with a better rating, if he recovers from his injury.

Idk I think they did as best they could have with Lee and Hack 

right now Hack better prospect than Lynch...you could argue.

[Jetster]

Joey Bosa is a BEAST! What a push this guy gets.

And we gave a guy who looks invisible to me an 85 million dollar contract? As long as the Jets keep making decisions to give SLIGHTLY above average players like Wilkerson crazy money, nothing will change.

Its absolutely imperative in this league that you make smart decisions on players 2 years before they hit free agency. The Mo contract will be another salary cap albatross at some point. The guy is playing with Leo & Sheldon too, where a rookie like Bosa is playing with a bunch of no names & he's instantly noticeable on 80% of his snaps.

Yes, I know he was picked 3rd overall, but we gave a guy that came in with a history of taking plays off a huge contract that honestly I don't think he deserved. But that's the Jets.

[OH THE PAIN]

A typical draft pick by the jets .

[Villain The Foe]

25 minutes ago, Jetster said:

Joey Bosa is a BEAST! What a push this guy gets.

And we gave a guy who looks invisible to me an 85 million dollar contract? As long as the Jets keep making decisions to give SLIGHTLY above average players like Wilkerson crazy money, nothing will change.

Its absolutely imperative in this league that you make smart decisions on players 2 years before they hit free agency. The Mo contract will be another salary cap albatross at some point. The guy is playing with Leo & Sheldon too, where a rookie like Bosa is playing with a bunch of no names & he's instantly noticeable on 80% of his snaps.

Yes, I know he was picked 3rd overall, but we gave a guy that came in with a history of taking plays off a huge contract that honestly I don't think he deserved. But that's the Jets.

Wilkerson isn't a pass rusher, which is why the Jets shouldn't have given him that contract and should have actually traded him 2 seasons ago...especially after drafting Williams. 

I said resigning him for close to Watt money was a bad move. I thought anything over 9 million per year was a joke, not because I think he's bad, but because we simply didn't have to given the depth. We control Richardson for 2 more years and Williams for 4 more years. 

Giving Wilkerson that contract was inefficient spending and roster management. we could/should have traded him for a player and draft picks or even let him walk and been compensated with most likely a 3rd round pick. 

Now we hear rumblings of trading Sheldon, which makes no sense when we could have kept him on rookie contract money along with Williams as well as utilized what we got in return for trading  Wilk. 

I've been saying that the Jets should consider trading Wilkerson since the end of the 2014 season. Of course that wasn't popular. I said anything over 9-10 million is ridiculous if we so resign him, and that wasn't popular either. we're only half way through his first season with his new contract and already we can see how it was a mistake.

 

[Jetster]

4 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Wilkerson isn't a pass rusher, which is why the Jets shouldn't have given him that contract and should have actually traded him 2 seasons ago...especially after drafting Williams. 

I said resigning him for close to Watt money was a bad move. I thought anything over 9 million per year was a joke, not because I think he's bad, but because we simply didn't have to given the depth. We control Richardson for 2 more years and Williams for 4 more years. 

Giving Wilkerson that contract was inefficient spending and roster management. we could/should have traded him for a player and draft picks or even let him walk and been compensated with most likely a 3rd round pick. 

Now we hear rumblings of trading Sheldon, which makes no sense when we could have kept him on rookie contract money along with Williams as well as utilized what we got in return for trading  Wilk. 

 

I agree. We could use a pass rusher like Chandler Jones & a team like the Patriots trade him for a 2nd round pick. We took Coples & the Pats took Jones. We took Kyle Wilson & the Pats took McCourty. It's really simple, the Jets need to draft better!

[pdxgreen]

Hadn't Lee played linebacker for only 2 years in college prior to being drafted?  Jeez.  What are the odds he's going to have a slow learning curve?!  If by the same time next year he's still making the same kinds of mistakes, then yeah, he's probably going to be a bad pick.   And man, the Bosa contract dispute was the dumbest event of the offseason, in a league awash in bad judgement.  Spanos makes Woody look like Paul Allen.

[Villain The Foe]

19 minutes ago, Jetster said:

I agree. We could use a pass rusher like Chandler Jones & a team like the Patriots trade him for a 2nd round pick. We took Coples & the Pats took Jones. We took Kyle Wilson & the Pats took McCourty. It's really simple, the Jets need to draft better!

True, and when they do draft and hit (Wilk, Shel, big cat) they need to understand that if you continue to draft at the same position then be prepared to let some good guys walk or to trade them.

Many fans were talking about how the Jets never keep their own, and to an extent they're correct, but when you have 3 of pretty much the same players all with 1st round money along with the best NT in the game, you don't release the NT and sign a blockbuster deal to a guy when you can make the argument that the other two have a higher ceiling. All I could do was shake my head at that.

[TuscanyTile2]

9 minutes ago, Jetster said:

I agree. We could use a pass rusher like Chandler Jones & a team like the Patriots trade him for a 2nd round pick. We took Coples & the Pats took Jones. We took Kyle Wilson & the Pats took McCourty. It's really simple, the Jets need to draft better!

To be fair, McCourty was taken by the Pats 1 pick before the Jets drafted.  But your point that we need to draft better still holds.  Obviously a lot rides on Hack's development. 

[TuscanyTile2]

I remember thinking the Cowboys were crazy to take Ezekiel Elliott over Jalen Ramsey since CB is a lot more important than RB and scouts said Ramsey had a very high ceiling. We'll see how it plays out.

[Sperm Edwards]

16 hours ago, PCP63 said:

Guess they're ignoring the fact that most of those yards came on great coverage where the receiver simply made a great play.

 

PFF is a joke.

Remember when we used to say that about Kyle Wilson? Good times. 

Draftig an ILB is an idiotic pick for a team that needed long term answers at QB, LT, and some form of outside pass rusher you send in on almost every passing down. Premium positions that cost a fortune in free agency, if adequate FAs at these positions are even available to us at all. But we take an ILB because he fits a narrow need in this particular offseason, lol. 

Because 5th year option $ for his position also averages in more expensive pass rushing OLBs, even if Lee isn't a bust there is a good chance he won't even be worth the 5th year option amount.

[Villain The Foe]

3 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

To be fair, McCourty was taken by the Pats 1 pick before the Jets drafted.  But your point that we need to draft better still holds.  Obviously a lot rides on Hack's development. 

True, but even when we pick before them (which is practically every season) we do things like draft Gholston while they draft Jerod Mayo. And it's certainly true that the Pats have had bad breaks in the draft and it was covered up by Brady, but we've drafted the most QB's over the past few years and have completely whiffed, we can't hit in the 2nd round at all, I don't know the last time we drafted a probowler that wasn't on the defensive line, etc.

We're not doing well in that dept.

[TuscanyTile2]

4 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

True, but even when we pick before them (which is practically every season) we do things like draft Gholston while they draft Jerod Mayo. And it's certainly true that the Pats have had bad breaks in the draft and it was covered up by Brady, but we've drafted the most QB's over the past few years and have completely whiffed, we can't hit in the 2nd round at all, I don't know the last time we drafted a probowler that wasn't on the defensive line, etc.

We're not doing well in that dept.

Completely agree

[LIJetsFan]

You've mentioned this several times, Sperm, and it's really depressing.  I was hoping Mac would hit a home run with our 1st round pick but taking the long view, this it's not.  Mac needs to place a bigger emphasis on the money ball aspects of his job but otherwise I like what I see from him so far.     

[Sperm Edwards]

7 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

True, and when they do draft and hit (Wilk, Shel, big cat) they need to understand that if you continue to draft at the same position then be prepared to let some good guys walk or to trade them.

Many fans were talking about how the Jets never keep their own, and to an extent they're correct, but when you have 3 of pretty much the same players all with 1st round money along with the best NT in the game, you don't release the NT and sign a blockbuster deal to a guy that you can make the argument that the other two have a higher ceiling. All I could do was shake my head at that.

Don't forget at the time they drafted Williams they still had Coples. At the time - certainly while Washington was on the clock at the #5 pick - they had no intention of cutting Coples. On the contrary, before that 4th year's camp even began, they exercised his 5th year option a month earlier. 

I think 2 years in a row Maccagnan wanted to have all his bases covered in case he got the pick(s) no one was willing to surrender for Mo. He didn't get what he wanted, clearly, but then cut nobody. He stuck himself with holding the hot potato.

Then he doubles down on this move with Mo, by offering him that contract instead of taking what he could get while he could get it, as if to insinuate this was his intention all along. And so far, that's blowing up in his face also.  

[varjet]

21 minutes ago, pdxgreen said:

Hadn't Lee played linebacker for only 2 years in college prior to being drafted?  Jeez.  What are the odds he's going to have a slow learning curve?!  If by the same time next year he's still making the same kinds of mistakes, then yeah, he's probably going to be a bad pick.   And man, the Bosa contract dispute was the dumbest event of the offseason, in a league awash in bad judgement.  Spanos makes Woody look like Paul Allen.

The Chargers draft well.  Like the Ravens and Steelers, they always seem to have good, physical players.  But like Woody, Spanos is very hands on and makes decisions clouded with ego, pride and lack of football judgment.  

The Jets are what the Chargers look like with bad drafting.

[pdxgreen]

The Chargers draft well.  Like the Ravens and Steelers, they always seem to have good, physical players.  But like Woody, Spanos is very hands on and makes decisions clouded with ego, pride and lack of football judgment.  
The Jets are what the Chargers look like with bad drafting.

Well.... At least they will get something from Bosa before he says, "kiss these" and heads out the door.

[Jetsfan80]

19 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Remember when we used to say that about Kyle Wilson? Good times. 

Draftig an ILB is an idiotic pick for a team that needed long term answers at QB, LT, and some form of outside pass rusher you send in on almost every passing down. But we take an ILB because he fits a narrow need in this particular offseason, lol. 

Because 5th year option $ for his position also average in more expensive pass rushing OLBs, even if Lee isn't a bust there is a good chance he won't even be worth the 5th year option amount.

Agreed.  Paxton Lynch should have been the pick there.  Yet here we have yet another front office catering to the "needs" of a defensive-minded coach who can barely coach defense.

If we really wanted that ILB/S type of hybrid, we could have just as easily taken Su'a Cravens in Round 2.  I know that there's an awful lot of hindsight going into that thinking, as we had no idea if Cravens would be there, but it's not like the ILB/S spot is such a highly valued spot you MUST use a 1st on it, like you're saying.

Lynch + Cravens/other ILB >>>>  Lee + Hackenberg.

[j4jets]

11 hours ago, PCP63 said:

Guess they're ignoring the fact that most of those yards came on great coverage where the receiver simply made a great play.

 

PFF is a joke.

I guess it wasn't great coverage after all. 

[Jetsfan80]

Just now, j4jets said:

I guess it wasn't great coverage after all. 

For a tiny guy it was probably pretty good coverage. 

[j4jets]

1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

For a tiny guy it was probably pretty good coverage. 

6'1. Not the tallest but certainly not short. Now he can bulk up a little but being skinny was supposed to help him in his coverage skills. He's not a bust by any means, not yet at least. He needs to show more to justify the selection. Maybe he'll get a good coach one of these days?

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, j4jets said:

6'1. Not the tallest but certainly not short. Now he can bulk up a little but being skinny was supposed to help him in his coverage skills. He's not a bust by any means, not yet at least. He needs to show more to justify the selection. Maybe he'll get a good coach one of these days?

Oh I know I was kidding around, but yeah, I'm very disappointed in Bowles.  I get that HC's learn as they go in many ways, but can we ever just get a HC who "gets it" early on?  Do we have to wait till Year 4, or more realistically never get it?

[JustInFudge]

It's almost like the Jets reached for a non-impact position in the 1st round for a guy who makes tackles but not impact plays.  It's almost like the Jets reached because they thought they were a positoin away on D and all they needed was a guy who could cover TE's and RB's.  It's almost like Lee, is basically no different than any ILB taken in any round of the draft.  It's almost like Jets fans were scratching their head wonder why on earth the Jets would draft an ILB in the 1st round when that is a position that literally can be found on the streets. 

Weird.

[Jetsfan80]

4 minutes ago, JiF said:

It's almost like the Jets reached for a non-impact position in the 1st round for a guy who makes tackles but not impact plays.  It's almost like the Jets reached because they thought they were a positoin away on D and all they needed was a guy who could cover TE's and RB's.  It's almost like Lee, is basically no different than any ILB taken in any round of the draft.  It's almost like Jets fans were scratching their head wonder why on earth the Jets would draft an ILB in the 1st round when that is a position that literally can be found on the streets. 

Weird.

 

Remember when people were shouting about how Darron Lee made sense because Deone Bucannon?

Well, Bucannon is having a sh*tty year in Arizona currently because his play is entirely dependent on how the defensive line does.  Because that's exactly what you want out of a guy you take in the 1st round:  A player whose impact depends on another unit playing at an elite level, not a player who makes a big impact on his own. 

Why do we even bother with this franchise, exactly?

[JustInFudge]

3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

Remember when people were shouting about how Darron Lee made sense because Deone Bucannon?

Well, Bucannon is having a sh*tty year this season because his play is entirely dependent on how the defensive line does.  Because that's exactly what you want out of a guy you take in the 1st rounder:  A player whose impact depends on another unit playing at an elite level, not a player who makes a big impact on his own. 

Why do we even bother with this franchise, exactly?

I blame my father but I think at this point watching the disaster that is the Jets makes me feel better about myself and the poor decisions I make in my life. 

[UnitedWhofans]

I happen to disagree with this review, because coverage is not Lees reason for being here. His reason for being here is to increase the team's speed on the field, which he does. To help tackle the underneath routes. Before his injury. He led the team in tackles.

Plus and I continue to say this, outside of Luke Keuchly, I don't know of any linebacker that can properly cover a guy. 

WRa and TEs are too fast and athletic. That's why you see more nickel and dike packages these days

[ZachEY]

38 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

Remember when people were shouting about how Darron Lee made sense because Deone Bucannon?

Well, Bucannon is having a sh*tty year in Arizona currently because his play is entirely dependent on how the defensive line does.  Because that's exactly what you want out of a guy you take in the 1st round:  A player whose impact depends on another unit playing at an elite level, not a player who makes a big impact on his own. 

Why do we even bother with this franchise, exactly?

Hence the impetus for my thread about direction.  This team is generally on the road to nowhere.  No QB, minimal young talent, have to trade probably our 2nd best player because he's a buffoon and we have too much talent at the one position.

Barring a situation like last year, 2nd easiest schedule in the league, this team is probably ways, and a new regime, away from a winning season.