Freemanm Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 DeShone Kizer, QB out of Notre Dame. Is he any good? I'm not really into college football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Kizer is a classic case of over-valuing and reaching on a quarterback in the draft. Kizer was benched against Stanford a few weeks back for his play... he's not a top 10 quarterback. Jabril Peppers or bust. He's got the "IT" factor and then some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
win4ever Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Kizer just isn't polished at all. He's another, wait at least one year to develop him type pick and I'd rather not make that pick in the top 10. I'm not sure where we're going because I thought tackle would be a priority but Robinson has slid down enough that I no longer think he's a good pick in the top 10. As a Michigan fan, I love Peppers, but I'm not sure how he fits. I like the CBs in this draft, but this is a draft that's loaded with CBs so I think it might be better at waiting for the second round and seeing who drops. Someone like Tabor might go in the top 10, but there are a few others that might drop. I like Watson as a QB, but he has struggled this year. I loved his tape a lot more last year, which weirdly enough was when he didn't have his No. 1 WR. I might just go with Fournette because I think next year is all about young QB development. We already have the WRs in place, if we can get Fournette in at RB, then we can help out the QB. If they suck, the year after QB class is loaded with talent. As usual, high pick, I'd love to trade down. The strength of this draft is RB/CB, both are big needs for us. I'd love to get multiple shots at them. Something like Sidney Jones/Ramcyzak/Mccaffery would be perfect IMO, if we could move from top 50 into the late teens and pick up another pick. Obviously, too early to tell, since there will be a ton of risers and fallers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Deshaun Watson Cam Robinson Leonard Fournette Would love any of those 3 at that spot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Harris Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 I'm so sick of drafting CB's and TE's. if a QB does rise then I hope our drafting Hack doesn't preclude us from taking one- but the QB class sounds underwhelming compared to the preseason hype . if a left tackle matches value at our slot then I think we are all in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F.Chowds Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 58 minutes ago, win4ever said: Kizer just isn't polished at all. He's another, wait at least one year to develop him type pick and I'd rather not make that pick in the top 10. I'm not sure where we're going because I thought tackle would be a priority but Robinson has slid down enough that I no longer think he's a good pick in the top 10. As a Michigan fan, I love Peppers, but I'm not sure how he fits. I like the CBs in this draft, but this is a draft that's loaded with CBs so I think it might be better at waiting for the second round and seeing who drops. Someone like Tabor might go in the top 10, but there are a few others that might drop. I like Watson as a QB, but he has struggled this year. I loved his tape a lot more last year, which weirdly enough was when he didn't have his No. 1 WR. I might just go with Fournette because I think next year is all about young QB development. We already have the WRs in place, if we can get Fournette in at RB, then we can help out the QB. If they suck, the year after QB class is loaded with talent. As usual, high pick, I'd love to trade down. The strength of this draft is RB/CB, both are big needs for us. I'd love to get multiple shots at them. Something like Sidney Jones/Ramcyzak/Mccaffery would be perfect IMO, if we could move from top 50 into the late teens and pick up another pick. Obviously, too early to tell, since there will be a ton of risers and fallers. I like Marlon Humphrey, did you see see him shut down Juju? Dont get me wrong if they pick Jalen Tabor I would not be mad, but my preference as of today is Humphrey. A lot could change between now and late April. Why on your short list of RB do you not have Dalvin Cook? I would prefer him over McCaffery. Now I can see a kid like McCaffery going to NE and being prolific, but i think we need a more dynamic player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
win4ever Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 56 minutes ago, F.Chowds said: I like Marlon Humphrey, did you see see him shut down Juju? Dont get me wrong if they pick Jalen Tabor I would not be mad, but my preference as of today is Humphrey. A lot could change between now and late April. Why on your short list of RB do you not have Dalvin Cook? I would prefer him over McCaffery. Now I can see a kid like McCaffery going to NE and being prolific, but i think we need a more dynamic player. I have a fear of Alabama corners because they need an adjustment time. Saban basically has them run stride for stride with the WR instead of backing up, a major issue with Dee Milliner which causes issue with back shoulder passes in the NFL because the receivers and QBs are just that much better at it. I like Jones because I think Washington does a better job of having their corners play press coverage, and Jones has held up well so far this season. I like Cook over McCaffery as well, but I think he goes early in this draft. I was advocating moving down in the draft, so the 5th pick is worth around 1700 points, which is the equivalent of about 15th and 27th pick. Assuming we make that deal, I think Cook would be gone by then, so I'm guessing maybe Ramcyzak/Jones in the first round and then McCaffery with the top 5 pick in the second as best case scenarios right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 I have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 4 hours ago, Freemanm said: DeShone Kizer, QB out of Notre Dame. Is he any good? I'm not really into college football. He will be one day but he needs a little extra time. He's probably be best suited to stay another year but he's got the big arm, the athleticism, and the smarts you look for. He's still working on touch and accuracy but that'll come. The Jets are drafting a RB in the top five and this board would riot if they took a safety. It'll probably be a corner or a left tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 We need a game changer, not just another Corner. Offence please for once, I'm sick of Corners Safety's, and Tiny Linebackers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxgreen Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Unless there is a premium offensive weapon than we go with the top LT in the draft. Also got to get a center pretty high in the first three rounds to replace Mangold. Our OL should have been replaced a couple of years ago really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Trade down, lets get someones late 1 and their 2 or a 2 and a 3. We need a lot of talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Had Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 It would be best to take the best LT available. Not sexy but you need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 4 hours ago, King P said: Deshaun Watson Cam Robinson Leonard Fournette Would love any of those 3 at that spot I want Fournette so bad. So. F*cking. Bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 18 minutes ago, Ben Had said: It would be best to take the best LT available. Not sexy but you need it. Depends on the value. Ijalana played pretty damn well today on the left side and that was with Mangold, the most vital part of that line (Center), out. He's been solid all year to be honest. His play will be a huge factor in whether or not we go LT early. I'm a big believer in Dalvin Cook or Leonard Fournette. They are 2 very special talents and would instantly contribute. I hope to God we don't reach on any of the QBs that come out this year. They aren't worth the pick we're likely going to have. CB is also a very very strong position this year and, despite it being another defensive pick, I wouldn't mind seeing us go that route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotcheryifyouCan Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 o line or watson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 6 hours ago, King P said: Deshaun Watson Cam Robinson Leonard Fournette Would love any of those 3 at that spot Hell no on Watson, he is a 2nd round pick at best, not a top 5 pick Fournette may be special, but we don't have the type of team to justify taking him in the top 5 of the draft like the Cowboys did last year. If you already have a great line, fine, but our line is a mess. Cam Robinson, perhaps, he looks great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 2 hours ago, southparkcpa said: Trade down, lets get someones late 1 and their 2 or a 2 and a 3. We need a lot of talent. Yup, this would be ideal, but its not easy to find a partner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 5th pick? I think we end up in the top 3. After Pats we'll be 3-8 with 5 to go, with lazy vets with nothing to play for, good luck with that. The smart thing for Bowles to do is to find out about some of these young guys. Bills will kill us 2nd time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 I'm no draft guru guy. So I asked you this: Is there any reality were Watson can become a version of Big Ben in the pros? I understand he is a running QB and throws untimely interceptions but I can't help to notice his ability to extend the play with his legs. Last game he was obviously playing hurt. But I saw little bit of the grit and heart that Ben plays with. A chance? Any chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 The DT from bama lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Bowles and Macc deserve this. Draft talk in Mid November is what happens when you fawn over a loser QB and name him the starter in March when he's not even on your team. Could have let Hoyer and Geno battle it out and instead have been exposed to the worst QB play I can ever remember seeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Best offensive player available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 17 minutes ago, NoBowles said: Yup, this would be ideal, but its not easy to find a partner sounds like my love life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freemanm Posted November 14, 2016 Author Share Posted November 14, 2016 6 minutes ago, Pac said: Bowles and Macc deserve this. Draft talk in Mid November is what happens when you fawn over a loser QB and name him the starter in March when he's not even on your team. Could have let Hoyer and Geno battle it out and instead have been exposed to the worst QB play I can ever remember seeing. Yes Pac, it has come to this, unfortunately, for all the reasons you mention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 7 hours ago, BigRy56 said: Kizer is a classic case of over-valuing and reaching on a quarterback in the draft. Kizer was benched against Stanford a few weeks back for his play... he's not a top 10 quarterback. Jabril Peppers or bust. He's got the "IT" factor and then some. If we take a safety at 5, this place will self-immolate, and rightfully so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 If we are in the top 5 who do you guys who follow college will be the top 10 players taken? Just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 We need to take a corner back. Have you all been watching our secondary this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 29 minutes ago, Pac said: Bowles and Macc deserve this. Draft talk in Mid November is what happens when you fawn over a loser QB and name him the starter in March when he's not even on your team. Could have let Hoyer and Geno battle it out and instead have been exposed to the worst QB play I can ever remember seeing. So your solution to make this season something other than chasing a top draft pick would have been Brian Hoyer or Geno Smith. Wow. Just wow. Fitz sucks. But they amazingly suck even worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 I don't know where the value lines up for o-line but we should definitely take a stud o-lineman. A stud OL can fix a team. Zach Martin changed the face of that Cowboys team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 7 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: So your solution to make this season something other than chasing a top draft pick would have been Brian Hoyer or Geno Smith. Wow. Just wow. Fitz sucks. But they amazingly suck even worse. In their limited play this year they both completely outplayed Fitz. It's not even close. But you keep fighting that good fight. If you continue clicking your heels and wishing upon a start maybe Ryan will turn into something other than the bad QB and career loser a few of us knew he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletKnight89 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 39 minutes ago, Pac said: Bowles and Macc deserve this. Draft talk in Mid November is what happens when you fawn over a loser QB and name him the starter in March when he's not even on your team. Could have let Hoyer and Geno battle it out and instead have been exposed to the worst QB play I can ever remember seeing. Fitz led the team to a 10-6 record last year while showing great chemistry and poise running an offense and set a pass TD record for the Jets. The Jets got him back on a one year deal. That was a good move at the time. Now that he reverted back to the old Ryan Fitzpatrick everybody knew better and didn't want to make that deal I guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletKnight89 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 8 hours ago, Freemanm said: DeShone Kizer, QB out of Notre Dame. Is he any good? I'm not really into college football. Notre Dame QB's haven't worked out in recent years. Quinn and Clauson were awful. I know that's not a valid reason not to draft Kizer but just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Im kind of thinking Maccagnan really has no choice but to go QB. It immediately buys him time....the Jets are going to stink next year regardless...if he goes in with some washed up vet he might as well clear out his desk now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Just now, ScarletKnight89 said: Notre Dame QB's haven't worked out in recent years. Quinn and Clauson were awful. I know that's not a valid reason not to draft Kizer but just saying. Kizer should go back to ND for a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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