Derek Carr and Raiders on MNF

[Big Blocker]

More specifically the pre-game show on MNF.  Watching all the talk about Carr made me feel literally nauseous. 

Damn that John Idzik to hell for standing pat with Smith rather than pick Carr (or Teddy B but of course that is not working out so well for Minny).  Damn him to hell.

Oakland is 8-2.  Wow.  Who would be surprised if they make some real noise in the playoffs?

Also despite feeling nauseous, the Raiders are a great story for the NFL in a year with lower ratings and many disappointing teams.  I'd love to see them bump off the Pats and don't waste time telling me Jet fans should not like Oakland.

[Big Blocker]

And oh yeah damn that John Idzik to hell.

[Jetster]

It actually amazes me that an organization without a franchise QB for almost its entire existence after Namath would not have put in a MANDATE that almost every resource available in the scouting world be used to find one.

From Marino in 1983 to the whispers that Bradway had a hardon for Wilson. If Jet fans attending the 1983 draft had their way Dan Marino would have been our QB. If Jet fans even had an inkling Bradway was thinking Wilson in the 3rd the hate for Geno was so strong Jet fans would have been on board unanimously! 

They better figure something out because another 5 year run of futility & the NY Jets will have no fans. 

[ZachEY]

Stupidity cost us Carr and Bridgewater.  Meaningless wins cost us Mariota and Ryan.

J!

[greenwichjetfan]

Carr is the first player I've ever genuinely felt upset about- the way older guys I guess feel about Marino. He was the realistic one. He was the one that fell in our laps. We didn't need to 'tank' winnable games to get him; we didn't need to trade away draft capital; we didn't need to guarantee him the #1 overall pick (Parcells is still a ****tard for costing us Peyton in that respect)......Carr was there and we should have taken him.

I wanted Kirk Cousins, and I wanted DC. Both were available to us, neither came to us. But Carr hurts more, because even in college and leading up to the draft, he seemed like he had some superstar in him. Watching him the past two years...really start to get it and grow into the position, and then watching the MNF postgame with him on set last night...just everything about him. He's going to be that one player that haunts me. 

[King P]

I was a huge fan of Carr back in college. Definitely wanted him if Teddy B was off the table.

Missing out and him and Winston have made me legit angry thinking about what could have been

[ASH1962]

14 minutes ago, gEYno said:

Stupidity cost us Carr and Bridgewater.  Meaningless wins cost us Mariota and Ryan.

J!

Totally agree however, who is to say that our horrific coaching staff(s) would not have f'ed up the development of any of these guys just mentioned, just like they appear to be f'ing up Petty &/or Hack? Let me put it this way, did Carr, Bridgewater, Mariotta or Winston light it up their first few games? The answer is no as Petty did not light it up either, the only difference is we are being run by idiots. Petty should be the QB from hereon out no questions asked.

[Villain The Foe]

Carr is legit. However, I feel more for the Texans passing on him twice like that. 

They got to see it first hand last night

[drsamuel84]

Hate to beat a dead horse but the Idzik years are really just killing us, especially 2014 when we had all those picks and have nothing to show for it.  Not saying Macc is the answer but you wonder how different things could be if we had a football guy like him in place, we may disagree on the guys taken but his strategy of taking a QB every year till you find one is absolutely the right approach.

[detectivekimble]

Carr is probably the best young QB in the AFC and the Raiders are probably the next great team in the AFC.

But let's be real, most teams and pundits had Carr as the fourth best QB that draft.  The Raiders got lucky.  He was the best QB left at the time they picked.  They may have picked Manziel over Carr if Manziel was sitting there.  

The Texans are the real disgrace here.  They passed on him because he's David Carr's brother.  Now they've got Brock Osweiler.

[detectivekimble]

6 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Carr is legit. However, I feel more for the Texans passing on him twice like that. 

They got to see it first hand last night

Bam.  You nailed it.  

Carr was supposed to go around where the Texans were picking.  They needed a QB.  He was the best QB on the board.  But they passed on him because he's David Carr's brother.  

[ZachEY]

12 minutes ago, ASH1962 said:

Totally agree however, who is to say that our horrific coaching staff(s) would not have f'ed up the development of any of these guys just mentioned, just like they appear to be f'ing up Petty &/or Hack? Let me put it this way, did Carr, Bridgewater, Mariotta or Winston light it up their first few games? The answer is no as Petty did not light it up either, the only difference is we are being run by idiots. Petty should be the QB from hereon out no questions asked.

I'm not sure the coaching staff is screwing up Petty or Hack's development, despite my desire for Petty to play.  Petty was a 4th round pick from a spread offense.  Him panning out was a long shot.  Hackenberg was a 6th rounder who we took in the second.  No guarantees of anything, but all four of those guys were considered significantly better prospects than the two we took.

[bealeb319]

Bortles, Manziel, and Bridgewater all went before Carr it goes to show that the draft is a crapshoot. Idk if the jaguars really regret taking bortles over carr or the vikings regret taking bridgewater over Carr but i would bet the Browns wish they drafted carr over manziel.

[August]

The prior regime felt they had a young QB on their roster that they felt worthy enough to develop. Can't fault them for that. Hindsight is 20/20. 

[win4ever]

Carr would be holding a clipboard under Bowles if he was here.  

He is a great QB, but I really think it's Amari Cooper that makes the offense run because he's a nightmare for a one on one match up.  He's up there with Beckham with his speed out of cuts, which gives him great separation.  Those two together really help out, because Cooper is such a threat for deep passes that teams have to respect it, which opens up underneath lanes.  

[varjet]

The Jets reached for Hack basically because the Vikings and Raiders "reached" for Bridgewater and Carr, and they got good starting QBs out of it.

The question is whether Hack was worth it.  We are not going to find out unless he plays.

The Jets picked these 2 QBs but do not appear to have the coaching staff/resource/smarts to develop them.  It should not take years in this NFL to develop a decent QB-certainly one better than Fitz.   The entire coaching program needs to be rexamined.

[JustInFudge]

42 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Carr is legit. However, I feel more for the Texans passing on him twice like that. 

They got to see it first hand last night

No doubt.  And Gruden wouldnt let that point go.

That said, the Jags had Carr for an entire week at the Senior Bowl and took that disaster named Blake Bortles over him.  Yikes!

[JustInFudge]

5 minutes ago, win4ever said:

Carr would be holding a clipboard under Bowles if he was here.  

He is a great QB, but I really think it's Amari Cooper that makes the offense run because he's a nightmare for a one on one match up.  He's up there with Beckham with his speed out of cuts, which gives him great separation.  Those two together really help out, because Cooper is such a threat for deep passes that teams have to respect it, which opens up underneath lanes.  

Hahahahahaha probably.  

Cooper is great and Crabtree has been solid, plus they have other decent secondary weapons.  They have the most expensive OL in the Football, so it's not surprise they're a better team this season.  I think I had them winning the division at the least making the WC.

All that said, I think they've got a little 2015 Jets going on in Oakland.  They're taking advantage of a cake walk schedule.  The only teams they've beat with a winning record is the Broncos and Texans led by 2 horrific QB's.  The rest of their wins?  Saints (1pt), Titans, Ravens (1pt), Chargers (3pts), Jags, Bucs (overtime).  And they lost to the Falcons and got smoked by the Chiefs.

I think they're a good, not great team.  But yeah, if you're a Raiders fan you have to be stoked on the Carr to Cooper connection that should last for years to come. 

 

[Joe W. Namath]

All GMs were scared because of the last name.  

He would have been the number 1 pick in the draft if his name was Derek Johnson.

[Jetsfan80]

I love how everyone is surprised at the laser pointers showing up at the Azteca last night.  Anyone who has ever watched a US Soccer match against Mexico knows that's a reality of that sh*tty, sh*tty location and the sh*tty, sh*tty people who attend games there.  They throw bags of urine at people, once chanced "OSAMA!!!" at a match where US Soccer played there shortly after 9/11, and opposing nation's soccer fans have to be escorted out of the stadium by armed guards for their safety on the regular. 

Worst fanbase in international soccer, and not a good place to ever have an NFL game if you can avoid it. 

[Big Blocker]

1 hour ago, August said:

The prior regime felt they had a young QB on their roster that they felt worthy enough to develop. Can't fault them for that. Hindsight is 20/20. 

"felt"???  FELT?  As in they felt they were set with Geno Smith at qb?

I for one FELT for sure they were not set, and at best he might improve although that was unlikely.

Idzik chose Smith and was committed in year two to stay with him, despite his very uneven performance in his rookie year.  My recollection is there were plenty of people following this team who were far from of the view that Smith was the future of the Jets at Qb.

[win4ever]

1 hour ago, JiF said:

Hahahahahaha probably.  

Cooper is great and Crabtree has been solid, plus they have other decent secondary weapons.  They have the most expensive OL in the Football, so it's not surprise they're a better team this season.  I think I had them winning the division at the least making the WC.

All that said, I think they've got a little 2015 Jets going on in Oakland.  They're taking advantage of a cake walk schedule.  The only teams they've beat with a winning record is the Broncos and Texans led by 2 horrific QB's.  The rest of their wins?  Saints (1pt), Titans, Ravens (1pt), Chargers (3pts), Jags, Bucs (overtime).  And they lost to the Falcons and got smoked by the Chiefs.

I think they're a good, not great team.  But yeah, if you're a Raiders fan you have to be stoked on the Carr to Cooper connection that should last for years to come. 

 

I think their offense is legit, especially if they can draft a good running back.  Put say Christian McCafferey there, and that becomes a lethal offense.  I think their defense is still over-rated but they have everything set up on offense to be good for a long time.  I really wanted Cooper in the draft, kept saying he reminded me of Beckham, but we won one too many games,   

I can't blame teams for passing on him though (in retrospect, obviously anyone can) because there were legit question marks around him other than his last name.  He came from a wide open system, so all the questions about transitions applied to him.  His Wonderlick was the same as Geno as well.  Faced very easy competition, had trouble against USC in his final game.  I think there were concerns about his size and hand size too.  I think the biggest issue was that he seemed to have major issues against pressure, which was why Oakland installed a short passing game his first year there.  It wasn't like Andrew Luck was dropping, and teams said, we'd rather pass.  I can't blame Idzik for passing on him, because we invested in Geno the year before, and coming out of college, those two weren't that different from each other.  

I think the biggest difference is, they invested money and resources into building around their QB, brought in a stud WR in Cooper, complimentary guy in Crabtree and bolstered the O-line, while we signed David Nelson, Greg Salas, and ran the wildcat.  I'm not saying Geno is Carr, but we did everything the wrong way in developing a QB, so it stands to reason that Carr wouldn't do nearly as much here even if we drafted him.   

[KRL]

Good for OAK they've been awful for a long time.  But here's the question for Jet fans, would you put
up with the following four years:

2012: 4-12
2013: 4-12
2014: 3-13
2015: 7-9

That's what Reggie McKenzie (their GM) produced after he got the job.  Wouldn't the fan base have "demanded"
firings after his second year???  Don't be hypocritical

[greenwichjetfan]

10 minutes ago, KRL said:

Good for OAK they've been awful for a long time.  But here's the question for Jet fans, would you put
up with the following four years:

2012: 4-12
2013: 4-12
2014: 3-13
2015: 7-9

That's what Reggie McKenzie (their GM) produced after he got the job.  Wouldn't the fan base have "demanded"
firings after his second year???  Don't be hypocritical

What? Those years did in fact result in firings. In fact, there were two new hires in that span of 4 years....Dennis Allen to start 2012, and JDR to start 2015. 

And fan bases can "demand" whatever they like. They're fanatics for a reason. 

[drdetroit]

3 hours ago, JiF said:

No doubt.  And Gruden wouldnt let that point go.

That said, the Jags had Carr for an entire week at the Senior Bowl and took that disaster named Blake Bortles over him.  Yikes!

He had a hot girlfriend tho

[Raideraholic]

3 hours ago, JiF said:

Hahahahahaha probably.  

Cooper is great and Crabtree has been solid, plus they have other decent secondary weapons.  They have the most expensive OL in the Football, so it's not surprise they're a better team this season.  I think I had them winning the division at the least making the WC.

All that said, I think they've got a little 2015 Jets going on in Oakland.  They're taking advantage of a cake walk schedule.  The only teams they've beat with a winning record is the Broncos and Texans led by 2 horrific QB's.  The rest of their wins?  Saints (1pt), Titans, Ravens (1pt), Chargers (3pts), Jags, Bucs (overtime).  And they lost to the Falcons and got smoked by the Chiefs.

I think they're a good, not great team.  But yeah, if you're a Raiders fan you have to be stoked on the Carr to Cooper connection that should last for years to come. 

 

No doubt the Raiders schedule has been very favorable. The Raiders have won a lot of close games.    That has a lot to do with them having a very porous defense all year.( have trouble stopping anyone- why games are usually nail biters , and the top offensive coaches can out scheme them- why Kc is a tough matchup for them).Obrien last night was way better than the Raiders coaches from x and O's stand point.( the other aspects of coaching he was out of his league).

The diffrence this defense has been bad all year , but does have a chance to still get a lot better by season end.  The Raiders are playing a lot of youngsters , and a lot of new Fa veterans that it takes time for all the pieces to come together.

The Raiders are missing their second best defense lineman ( Mario Edwards Jr) been out all year. His presence was a big reason Khalil Mack had his breakout season last year . ( No Raider defense lineman plays with the hand violence as Edwards does- he definitely has been missed) .    The Raiders raw Rookie Jihad Ward has gotten a lot of time he wouldn't have with healthy Edwards.  In Fact undrafted Fa - Darius Latham has probably been better than Ward, and started to see a lot more time in the defense.( both players could be big down the stretch)

Aldon Smith should be reinstated anytime now.     The Raiders are able to get a 100% healthy Mario Edwards back( hip injury who knows if he will ever be that healthy this year) and the return of Aldon Smith, and this defense gets a lot better real fast.

Why ? Raiders improve their run and pass rush and strengthen their coverage ability.     The Raiders Lb Corp (has been liability in coverage all year.  With Aldon Smith and Mario Edwards back( both excellent against run and rushing the passer) that frees Bruce Irvin to play more in coverage- upgrading that part tremendously.

[August]

3 hours ago, Big Blocker said:

"felt"???  FELT?  As in they felt they were set with Geno Smith at qb?

I for one FELT for sure they were not set, and at best he might improve although that was unlikely.

Idzik chose Smith and was committed in year two to stay with him, despite his very uneven performance in his rookie year.  My recollection is there were plenty of people following this team who were far from of the view that Smith was the future of the Jets at Qb.

I doubt they felt they were set at QB with Geno. But they clearly thought he was worth the time and energy to continue developing him, as opposed to drafting another QB, that was my point. 

[Lupz27]

2 hours ago, KRL said:

Good for OAK they've been awful for a long time.  But here's the question for Jet fans, would you put
up with the following four years:

2012: 4-12
2013: 4-12
2014: 3-13
2015: 7-9

That's what Reggie McKenzie (their GM) produced after he got the job.  Wouldn't the fan base have "demanded"
firings after his second year???  Don't be hypocritical

That got them Mack, Carr, and Cooper so where do I sign for such a thing?

[Raideraholic]

6 hours ago, detectivekimble said:

Carr is probably the best young QB in the AFC and the Raiders are probably the next great team in the AFC.

But let's be real, most teams and pundits had Carr as the fourth best QB that draft.  The Raiders got lucky.  He was the best QB left at the time they picked.  They may have picked Manziel over Carr if Manziel was sitting there.  

The Texans are the real disgrace here.  They passed on him because he's David Carr's brother.  Now they've got Brock Osweiler.

No Jon Gruden was a big Johnny Manziel fan( tried to convince the Raiders Brass to take him).    Mark Davis was always a big Derek Carr fan .( probably bummed they didn't take him at five- no way he wasn't their pick if he was on the board in the second).

No team has a handle on the Qb position.( a lot of luck involved).   For Teams to pass on Derek Carr because his brother didn't pan out was silly.     Connor Cook to not go higher because he wasn't voted team captain was another blunder teams will be kicking themselves for years.

Connor Cook is going to be a very good Qb in this league for a long time -just won't be in a Raider uniform.  ( very impressed with his whole game).

[T0mShane]

I, too, think Derek Carr would have been a compelling choice to back up Ryan Fitzpatrick here. 

[Raideraholic]

10 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I, too, think Derek Carr would have been a compelling choice to back up Ryan Fitzpatrick here. 

Never underestimate the power of the beard- it's hypnotic effects. 

[maury77]

6 hours ago, win4ever said:

I think their offense is legit, especially if they can draft a good running back.  Put say Christian McCafferey there, and that becomes a lethal offense.  I think their defense is still over-rated but they have everything set up on offense to be good for a long time.  I really wanted Cooper in the draft, kept saying he reminded me of Beckham, but we won one too many games,   

I can't blame teams for passing on him though (in retrospect, obviously anyone can) because there were legit question marks around him other than his last name.  He came from a wide open system, so all the questions about transitions applied to him.  His Wonderlick was the same as Geno as well.  Faced very easy competition, had trouble against USC in his final game.  I think there were concerns about his size and hand size too.  I think the biggest issue was that he seemed to have major issues against pressure, which was why Oakland installed a short passing game his first year there.  It wasn't like Andrew Luck was dropping, and teams said, we'd rather pass.  I can't blame Idzik for passing on him, because we invested in Geno the year before, and coming out of college, those two weren't that different from each other.  

I think the biggest difference is, they invested money and resources into building around their QB, brought in a stud WR in Cooper, complimentary guy in Crabtree and bolstered the O-line, while we signed David Nelson, Greg Salas, and ran the wildcat.  I'm not saying Geno is Carr, but we did everything the wrong way in developing a QB, so it stands to reason that Carr wouldn't do nearly as much here even if we drafted him.   

Bingo! The Jets have decided to focus their premium draft choices on defensive tackles since 2010 (Mo, Coples, Sheldon, Leo). The result? The Jets have arguably been the best defense against the run over that span of time, but we pretty much suck at every other position.

[win4ever]

1 hour ago, maury77 said:

Bingo! The Jets have decided to focus their premium draft choices on defensive tackles since 2010 (Mo, Coples, Sheldon, Leo). The result? The Jets have arguably been the best defense against the run over that span of time, but we pretty much suck at every other position.

It's probably the worst QB development plan put out there in a long time.  

Let's look at recent guys:

Bortles:  They put Allen Robinson, Hurns (didn't plan on him turning into a good player, but he did), and Lee (he hasn't lived up to it) around him, and signed a good FA while picking Yeldon high.  Bortles hasn't been great, but they did surround him with talent, and he did have a big year last year.  

Manziel:  They had Gordon, drafted Duke Johnson, OT Bitonio, Cameron Erving, Terrance West.

Bridgewater:  Put Coordarelle Patterson, Charles Johnson, traded for Mike Wallace, Stefon Diggs, Kyle Rudolph and of course had Peterson on the team

Carr: We already covered.  

EJ Manuel:  Went for Robert Woods, Marquise Goodwin, Sammy Watkins, Cyrus Koundijo, and Seantrel Henderson as a lottery ticket type pick.  

Andrew Luck:  Coby Fleener, Dwayne Allen, TY Hilton, Donte Moncrief, traded for Trent Richardson (didn't work out), signed Heyward Bey (didn't work out), still had an old Reggie Wayne, tried to make a splash with Andre Johnson after a good year, 

RGII:  Drafted Leribus, Alfred Morris, Jordan Reed, Pierre Garcon, Desean Jackson.

Tannehill: Jonathan Martin, Michael Egnew, Lamar Miller, Rishard Mathews, Dion Sims, Mike Gillessi, Jawuan James, Jarvis Landry, Billy Turner, Arthur Lynch, also Charles Clay, bought in Mike Wallace, and then Kenny Stills

I'm skipping Osweiller, because it was Peyton's team but they were loaded on offense anyway,

Brandon Weeden:  Josh Gordon, Trent Richardson (again), Mitchell Schwartz, Travis Benjamin, Greg Little (didn't work out), resigned Joe Thomas

Russel Wilson:  Lynch, Paul Richardson, Robert Turbin, Christine Michael, had Golden Tate, Zach Miller, Doug Baldwin, and traded for Percy Harvin as well.  

Cam Newton:  Had Steve Smith, Lafell, Greg Olsen, and they spent a ton of money to retain Stewart and Williams.   

Locker:  Kendall Wright, Warmack, Justin Hunter, Delanie Walker, had Nate Washington, Kenny Britt, Jared Cook

Gabbert:  Cecil Shorts, Will Rackley, Justin Blackmon, Luke Joekel, Ace Sanders, Denard Robinson, had MJD, 

Ponder:  Kyle Rudolph, Matt Kalil, Jarius Wright, Greg Childs, Coordarelle Patterson, and of course had Peterson, and had Percy Harvin for 2 years

Dalton:  AJ Green, Clint Boiling, Kevin Zeitler, Mohammad Sanu, Marvin Jones, Tyler Eifert, Gio Bernard, also had Jermaine Gresham 

Kapernick:  Kendall Hunter, AJ Jenkins, Le Michael James, Joe Looney, Vance McDonald, Quinton Patton, Marcus Latimore, also had Frank Gore, Michael Crabtree, Vernon Davis, and Delanie Walker.  

Bradford:  Rodger Saffold, Mardy Gilyard, Lance Kendricks, Austin Petis, Greg Salas, Brian Quick, Isiah Pead, Chris Givens, also had Steven Jackson, Danny Amendola, and picked up Brand Loyd

Tebow:  Zach Beadles, Eric Decker, Orlando Franklin, Julius Thomas, Demarius Thomas, Eddie Royal as well.

-----------------------------------

Some of those moves didn't work out for teams, especially the Rams, but at least they tried to put talent around their QB.  We basically decided to hire retreads and pick defensive guys early in the draft.  

[SAR I]

6 hours ago, win4ever said:

It's probably the worst QB development plan put out there in a long time.  

Let's look at recent guys:

Bortles:  They put Allen Robinson, Hurns (didn't plan on him turning into a good player, but he did), and Lee (he hasn't lived up to it) around him, and signed a good FA while picking Yeldon high.  Bortles hasn't been great, but they did surround him with talent, and he did have a big year last year.  

Manziel:  They had Gordon, drafted Duke Johnson, OT Bitonio, Cameron Erving, Terrance West.

Bridgewater:  Put Coordarelle Patterson, Charles Johnson, traded for Mike Wallace, Stefon Diggs, Kyle Rudolph and of course had Peterson on the team

Carr: We already covered.  

EJ Manuel:  Went for Robert Woods, Marquise Goodwin, Sammy Watkins, Cyrus Koundijo, and Seantrel Henderson as a lottery ticket type pick.  

Andrew Luck:  Coby Fleener, Dwayne Allen, TY Hilton, Donte Moncrief, traded for Trent Richardson (didn't work out), signed Heyward Bey (didn't work out), still had an old Reggie Wayne, tried to make a splash with Andre Johnson after a good year, 

RGII:  Drafted Leribus, Alfred Morris, Jordan Reed, Pierre Garcon, Desean Jackson.

Tannehill: Jonathan Martin, Michael Egnew, Lamar Miller, Rishard Mathews, Dion Sims, Mike Gillessi, Jawuan James, Jarvis Landry, Billy Turner, Arthur Lynch, also Charles Clay, bought in Mike Wallace, and then Kenny Stills

I'm skipping Osweiller, because it was Peyton's team but they were loaded on offense anyway,

Brandon Weeden:  Josh Gordon, Trent Richardson (again), Mitchell Schwartz, Travis Benjamin, Greg Little (didn't work out), resigned Joe Thomas

Russel Wilson:  Lynch, Paul Richardson, Robert Turbin, Christine Michael, had Golden Tate, Zach Miller, Doug Baldwin, and traded for Percy Harvin as well.  

Cam Newton:  Had Steve Smith, Lafell, Greg Olsen, and they spent a ton of money to retain Stewart and Williams.   

Locker:  Kendall Wright, Warmack, Justin Hunter, Delanie Walker, had Nate Washington, Kenny Britt, Jared Cook

Gabbert:  Cecil Shorts, Will Rackley, Justin Blackmon, Luke Joekel, Ace Sanders, Denard Robinson, had MJD, 

Ponder:  Kyle Rudolph, Matt Kalil, Jarius Wright, Greg Childs, Coordarelle Patterson, and of course had Peterson, and had Percy Harvin for 2 years

Dalton:  AJ Green, Clint Boiling, Kevin Zeitler, Mohammad Sanu, Marvin Jones, Tyler Eifert, Gio Bernard, also had Jermaine Gresham 

Kapernick:  Kendall Hunter, AJ Jenkins, Le Michael James, Joe Looney, Vance McDonald, Quinton Patton, Marcus Latimore, also had Frank Gore, Michael Crabtree, Vernon Davis, and Delanie Walker.  

Bradford:  Rodger Saffold, Mardy Gilyard, Lance Kendricks, Austin Petis, Greg Salas, Brian Quick, Isiah Pead, Chris Givens, also had Steven Jackson, Danny Amendola, and picked up Brand Loyd

Tebow:  Zach Beadles, Eric Decker, Orlando Franklin, Julius Thomas, Demarius Thomas, Eddie Royal as well.

-----------------------------------

Some of those moves didn't work out for teams, especially the Rams, but at least they tried to put talent around their QB.  We basically decided to hire retreads and pick defensive guys early in the draft.  

Great post. 

Please post the same level of detail for Mark Sanchez 2011 and 2012. 

The real tragedy here isn't who we passed over. It's who we threw away.  We had a prospect better than almost everyone on your recents list who had major success, gave him Tony Sparano and a cast of grocery baggers, and ran him out of town.  

SAR I

[jamesr]

13 minutes ago, SAR I said:

Great post. 

Please post the same level of detail for Mark Sanchez 2011 and 2012. 

The real tragedy here isn't who we passed over. It's who we threw away.  We had a prospect better than almost everyone on your recents list who had major success, gave him Tony Sparano and a cast of grocery baggers, and ran him out of town.  

SAR I

Here's who we drafted on offense during the Sanchez years :

RB - Shonn Greene, Joe McKnight, John Connor, Bilal Powell, Terrance Ganaway, Tommy Bohanon

OL - Matt Slauson, Vlad Ducasse, Robert T Griffin, Brian Winters, Oday Aboushi, William Campbell

WR - Jeremy Kerley, Scotty McKnight, Stephen Hill

TE - ... no-one

6 RBs, 6 OL, 3 WRs - the highest of which being Stephen Hill

Ground and pound baby! Who needs a passing game!! Yes, we picked up Braylon and Holmes on the cheap at WR, but they were short term guys who we later replaced with Clyde Gates, David Nelson, Greg Salas and the like, because we had NO-ONE coming through to take over those roles.

15 years since we last took a WR in Round 1; 8 years since we took a TE there. 26 years since we took a RB in Round 1 - I guess Blair Thomas scarred this organisation for good!