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Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jets: No one may want him (especially not as a starter), but he’ll be available. For obvious reasons.

Why were we the only team dumb enough to want him this season?  Smh, only the Jets.

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Teams may be very thankful for the 2017 quarterback market

ARLINGTON, TX - NOVEMBER 24:   Tony Romo #9 of the Dallas Cowboys warms up on the field prior to the game against the Washington Redskins at AT&T Stadium on November 24, 2016 in Arlington, Texas.  (Photo by Tom Pennington/Getty Images)Getty Images

Every year, a cluster of NFL teams tries in vain to upgrade at the quarterback position. In many cases, they’re required to roll the dice on a draft pick. This year, an unprecedented glut of quarterbacks with NFL experience may arise.

Here’s a full list of all veteran quarterbacks who may be available, with a quick explanation as to why they could be available.

And, yes, there are 20 of them.

Tyrod Taylor, Bills: The contract he signed earlier this year gave him a significant raise for 2016. It also gave the team an easy exit for 2017. If the Bills change coaches, will the successor to Rex Ryan want to commit $27.5 million to Taylor? Maybe, maybe not. If not, he’ll be released.

Jimmy Garoppolo, Patriots: The Pats will face the Chandler Jones/Jamie Collinsconundrum with Garoppolo in 2017. Do they keep him for the final year of his deal and allow his departure to factor in to the compensatory draft picks for 2019, or do they trade him for whatever they could get one or two years sooner? With Jacoby Brissettlooking the part, don’t be shocked if the Pats part ways with Garoppolo.

Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jets: No one may want him (especially not as a starter), but he’ll be available. For obvious reasons.

Ryan Tannehill, Dolphins: The Dolphins have a $14.475 million decision to make on Tannehill in March. Earlier this year, it was a toss-up. Now, barring a meltdown, it’s a no-brainer. He’ll be a Dolphin.

A.J. McCarron, Bengals: Signed through 2017, the Bengals have to decide (like the Patriots do) whether to trade McCarron in 2017 or keep him for another year, let him walk in free agency, and get a compensatory pick in 2019.

Robert Griffin III, Browns: The perpetually injured, but now healthy, Griffin may get a chance to audition for his next job before the season ends. With supply matching demand (for a change), Griffin may have to accept a backup role in order to continue his career.

Josh McCown, Browns: He’s under contract for another year, but the Browns may decide there’s no spot for him on a potentially revamped depth chart. He has nevertheless proven to be a steadying presence for a team that needs a positive influence, and his staying power in pro football has been remarkable.

Landry Jones, Steelers: The looming free agent has some starting experience, and he has shown some flashes of ability.

Blake Bortles, Jaguars: The slumping would-be franchise quarterback could be looking for a new franchise if the next coaching staff in Jacksonville decides to look elsewhere. The real question is whether the Jaguars will sign him to a long-term deal after the season or, if not, whether they’ll pick up what would be a very sizable option for 2018. Absent either, a trade could be on the horizon — if anyone want to trade for him at this point.

Alex Smith, Chiefs: Will the Chiefs decide, given the various options on the market, to move on from Smith? Plenty of Kansas City fans will wish they would, given the perception that he has taken the team as far as he can.

Nick Foles, Chiefs: Technically signed through 2017, his contract balloons to eight figures next year. Which means that he’ll likely be cut, if his deal isn’t renegotiated. His best bet could be to stick around in Kansas City with the man who drafted him back when they both were with the Eagles in 2012.

Trevor Siemian, Broncos: If the Broncos decide either to give the job to Paxton Lynchor to sign or trade for someone else, they’d have to decide whether to bench Siemian for the third year of his four-year rookie deal or move on. They’d likely keep him, unless someone else makes the Broncos an offer they can’t refuse.

Tony Romo, Cowboys: If it wasn’t clear when he publicly surrendered the job to Dak Prescott 10 days ago, the last two games should make it obvious that Dak is the guy, indefinitely. Which means Romo will definitely be out. At $14 million for 2017, his contract is easily tradeable. The challenge will be setting the right compensation so that the team that trades for Romo is protected against another serious injury, and so that the Cowboys are protected against Romo playing 16 regular-season games.

Kirk Cousins, Washington: The team has three choices for Cousins, none of which are good. They can tag him at $23.94 million for 2017, sign him to a long-term deal with the tag amount for 2017 as the starting point, or let the market set his value. The problem with letting the market set his value is that he could then choose to sign with a new team on the open market, Brock Osweiler style.

Jay Cutler, Bears: Due to make only $12.5 million next year, Cutler becomes a bargain in 2017. Which means that the Bears should consider keeping him, unless they have an alternative that would represent a clear upgrade. Also, what if John Fox is fired and, say, Kyle Shanahan get the job? Kyle’s father drafted Cutler nearly 11 years ago.

Sam Bradford, Vikings: With a $4 million roster bonus due in March and a $13 million salary for 2017, the Vikings have a decision to make on Bradford. Their choice will depend upon Teddy Bridgewater’s health and prognosis. The team’s other options also will be a factor. Bradford could be traded for a third straight year — or cut outright.

Mike Glennon, Buccaneers: A free agent in 2017, Glennon made 18 starts in the two seasons before Jameis Winston arrived. Glennon’s 30 career touchdown passes against 15 interceptions surely will attract someone’s attention.

Carson Palmer, Cardinals: If the Cardinals find an upgrade, Palmer could be thrown overboard. Also, don’t rule out the possibility of Palmer quitting on the Cardinals. He’s done it both to the Bengals and the Raiders.

Case Keenum, Rams: Benched for Jared Goffand due to hit the open market, the question becomes whether a team will blame the problems with the team’s offense on Keenum, on the absence of talent around him, or on coaching.

Colin Kaepernick, 49ers: The Broncos tried to trade for him in March, but Kaepernick wasn’t willing to significantly cut his guaranteed salary. The market will be soft for Kaepernick in 2017, especially since plenty of owners will be inclined to shy away from Kaepernick due to his anthem protests — and will be able to do it because of the other options at the position.

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Tyrod Taylor - If the Bills are dumb enough to cut Tyrod Taylor you sign him the second he hits free agency.  Most underrated player in the NFL and he would be all-pro throwing to Decker, Marshall and Enunwa.

Garropolo - not happening

Fitz - might be forced to retire.  

Tannehill - not happening, is having his best season 

McCarron - interesting.  Would offer a 3rd round pick for him.

Griffin - no

McCown - no

Siemian - Broncos are keeping him even if they traded for Romo

Romo - going to Broncos

Cousins - not happening

Cutler - Unfortunately he is probably our next QB.

Bradford - not happening, Bridgewater might have to retire

Glennon -  Yes, please

Palmer - interesting but I think he'd get killed behind our OL

Keenum - no

Kaepernick - no thanks

 

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At least half of those guys will re-sign with their current teams.

Several of those players will descend into the pool of backup talent at backup prices along with Geno and Sanchez. Think about that for a minute: at the end of this season the past seven years of Jets starting QBs will all be certain backup QBs with their careers hanging by a wire. 

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2 minutes ago, rex-n-effect said:

At least half of those guys will re-sign with their current teams.

Several of those players will descend into the pool of backup talent at backup prices along with Geno and Sanchez. Think about that for a minute: at the end of this season the past seven years of Jets starting QBs will all be certain backup QBs with their careers hanging by a wire. 

No they wont if the Jets take a chance and offer more money and are willing to give up the #1 pick if they are franchised tagged if we want a decent QB this is what we might have to do. 

Cant keep settling for just any QB it hasnt worked in 47 years

Thanks for the negative rep appreciate the effort on your behalf. 

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No to Cutler, Romo, or any of the others. This is fruitless until the team makes a decision on Petty. In theory, if Hack is the goods, he'll be ready next season at some point. That would be optimal, which means not likely to happen. So they just need a vet to start the season. Someone like McCown or someone of that ilk would be fine. 

Also, Fitz will swallow his pride and find work as a backup somewhere. That's pretty much a lock. 

And remember all the tongue baths people were giving to Bradford? He looks absolutely terrible now. 

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4 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

No to Cutler, Romo, or any of the others. This is fruitless until the team makes a decision on Petty. In theory, if Hack is the goods, he'll be ready next season at some point. That would be optimal, which means not likely to happen. So they just need a vet to start the season. Someone like McCown or someone of that ilk would be fine. 

Also, Fitz will swallow his pride and find work as a backup somewhere. That's pretty much a lock. 

And remember all the tongue baths people were giving to Bradford? He looks absolutely terrible now. 

Hackenburg is unproven and very raw talent insofar as to not even dress this season. 

Hackenburg is a big question mark with nothing positive to say up until this point. 

The Jets future is riding on Hackenburg???????

Damn I hope this kid is the one. 

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The evidence that Jets’ Christian Hackenberg pick was a bad one

 

The central theme around the Jets these days is the same as it has been for most of the past 40 years — is the quarterback good enough?

With Ryan Fitzpatrick throwing nine interceptions over his past two games, the cries for coach Todd Bowles to bench him have started, albeit softly so far. Part of the reason those cries are not louder is the alternative.

Jets fans have seen enough of Geno Smith to know what he is capable of — sporadic success — and what he is not — being a franchise quarterback. Smith is a lame duck in the Jets organization, waiting to hit free agency next spring to go somewhere to restart his career.

What is amazing about the current Jets’ quarterback situation is they drafted a quarterback in the second round of the NFL draft in April. Yet no one is suggesting the Jets turn things over to Christian Hackenberg right now. He is fourth on the depth chart. If you’re scoring at home, no other team in the NFL even has a fourth quarterback on their depth chart.

This is because Hackenberg is not ready to play. No one in the Jets organization believes he is ready. This is not an indictment of Hackenberg, who by all accounts is working diligently to become better. It is a criticism of the Jets for selecting him in the second round.

There were 15 quarterbacks taken in this year’s draft. Most of them are developmental quarterbacks — players you don’t have high immediate expectations for, but maybe they figure things out and can develop into a good player down the line. It is fine to draft these types of players, but you can’t take them in the second round.

The drafting of Hackenberg with the No. 51 overall pick looks terrible right now. From all accounts, Jets general manager Mike Maccagnan fell in love with Hackenberg during the draft process. Some believe the infatuation began when Maccagnan still was working for the Texans and former Penn State coach Bill O’Brien told him about Hackenberg.

Whatever it was, Maccagnan jumped when he got the chance to take Hackenberg in April.

Now, when the team has a question at quarterback, no one is suggesting Hackenberg is the answer. This comes in a season when rookie quarterbacks are doing amazing things around the NFL. Five rookie quarterbacks have played this season, with four now starting regularly for their teams.

Carson Wentz has been nearly flawless in leading the Eagles to a 3-0 start. Dak Prescott, taken in the fourth round some 84 picks after Hackenberg, may have unseated Tony Romo permanently with the Cowboys. Cody Kessler has given Cleveland reason to hope. Jacoby Brissett won a big game for the Patriots in the absence of Tom Brady. Paxton Lynch helped the Broncos win a game on Sunday. All told, the five quarterbacks have combined for 10 passing touchdowns, three rushing touchdowns and one interception.

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Christian Hackenberg gets sacked during a preseason game against the Eagles.Photo: Getty Images

All of this while the Jets keep Hackenberg in bubble wrap. The Jets could have used that second-round pick to find a player who could contribute immediately. Instead, they have a player who, when they drafted, Maccagnan talked about his “potential and upside.”

Translation: Check back in a few years.

The Hackenberg pick has messed with the Jets’ roster, too. They kept four quarterbacks, the only team in the NFL to do so. The move makes sense since Hackenberg and Bryce Petty are the only quarterbacks under contract for 2017. But it hinders the construction of the roster. Bowles said recently the four quarterbacks are four of the team’s better football players. Again, someday Hackenberg might fit that description, but not now.

This offseason will be fascinating. Do they bring back Fitzpatrick, who is on pace for 40 interceptions this season, for another year? Do they turn the reins over to Petty or Hackenberg? Do they bring in a veteran free agent?

Whatever they do, it’s a pretty safe bet we will be asking if the quarterback, whoever it is, is good enough at this time next year. These are the Jets, a team forever in quarterback purgatory because of bad decision after bad decision.

 
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1 hour ago, August said:

I'd rather see what we have in Petty and Hackenberg and maybe resign Geno. I'd look at the 2018 QB market if the guys in house don't show enough. Then I'd look at AJ McCarran or Jimmy G. 

So you're willing to wait until the 2017 season to see, what if they both stink then what. 

This is why Petty should have gotten 3 games this season and Hackenburg 3 games evaluation games. 

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1 minute ago, Larz said:

all of the worthwhile QB's will be kept, only the dregs will shake loose

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Disagree there will be a at least 1-2 good ones who will be franchised tagged the Jets have to decide if they want that guy bad enough to give up the money and the #1 draft pick to get them. 

This team cannot continue in mediocre QB hell if thats the case move to London or Mexico and end our misery. 

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6 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Do whatever you can to get cousins.  He is still young and getting better ever game.

He's been my fantasy QB, him & Carr. I sat him for Carr this week thinking Dallas would control TOP. Dude still had 31 points.

With QBs it's all about gaining confidence. Cousins took his licks from everyone & kept getting up and firing. I watch him because I'm vested with FF, but he is REALLY GOOD. Plus he can throw in wind because he's got a beautiful tight spiral.

No f*cking way Skins let him go. Fans love him now too after that "you like that?" Stuff. He bet on himself under the franchise & won. Proves what most Jet fans felt, just because you took a QB early you can take a flyer on another one. Freaking turned out brilliant for Washington.

 

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35 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Disagree there will be a at least 1-2 good ones who will be franchised tagged the Jets have to decide if they want that guy bad enough to give up the money and the #1 draft pick to get them. 

This team cannot continue in mediocre QB hell if thats the case move to London or Mexico and end our misery. 

Which ones do you think will be available and which one would you give $20 million to as well as giving up a first round pick?  Just curious!

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16 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Today id have to say Cousins and Taylor in that order.

I'd love to steal Taylor from the Bills. Could you imagine the Jets getting Taylor & beating his his old team badly & they fire Rex.

Taylor keeps getting better too. I still think Glennon is going to be a good QB. He's got good pocket presence, he's got a neck like a giraffe to look over the Oline & Dline, he moves around just enough and he's got a good arm with good zip. Tampa had to take a QB picking at #1 with those 2 guys sitting there. The Fans never forget! Similar to Parcells telling Archie Manning he couldn't guarantee he would take Payton. 

We let Parcells buy the groceries for short term success. Bob Kraft didn't let him. Kraft wins. Jets lose.

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We will never get Taylor or Garropolo.  They are from division rivals who won't let them walk without massive compensation (think multiple firsts).

Glennon is possible but he gives me the Osweiler vibe.

Romo doesn't make sense for our franchise.

our qb is in the draft, and maybe not even this upcoming one

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14 minutes ago, Hael said:

We will never get Taylor or Garropolo.  They are from division rivals who won't let them walk without massive compensation (think multiple firsts).

Glennon is possible but he gives me the Osweiler vibe.

Romo doesn't make sense for our franchise.

our qb is in the draft, and maybe not even this upcoming one

Romo could make sense if Hack is still expected to be good in a couple years.

I could see:

  1. Romo
  2. Re-sign Geno to a cheap backup deal or someone similar for 2 to 3mil per
  3. Let Hack recover slowly from his PTSD suffered at Penn State 
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Why spend the money on Romo?  We aren't going to the Super Bowl or even playoffs with him.  He sets us back in development and salary cap situations and heck he might not even last through the year.

It makes much more sense to bring back Geno, as bad as he is, who at least is still young and won't cost us much.

 To be honest, I'm fine with Petty and Hack next year if the qb market is too scary, even if it means only winning two games.  I just don't want to take another half measure that hurts our future like the 2015 free agent fiasco.  I'm totally fine with being the Browns for a few years while we build through the draft.

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5 minutes ago, Hael said:

Why spend the money on Romo?  We aren't going to the Super Bowl or even playoffs with him.  He sets us back in development and salary cap situations and heck he might not even last through the year.

It makes much more sense to bring back Geno, as bad as he is, who at least is still young and won't cost us much.

 To be honest, I'm fine with Petty and Hack next year if the qb market is too scary, even if it means only winning two games.  I just don't want to take another half measure that hurts our future like the 2015 free agent fiasco.  I'm totally fine with being the Browns for a few years while we build through the draft.

I'm cool with Geno starting.  But there will be 6-8 months to debate that one after this season.  No sense rushing that conversation.

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As I recall, McCarron got the job done every time he was pressed into service and looked good doing it.  He may not be a true number 1, but could be a good long term backup and is more than serviceable should he need to start.  I like the Glennon option most out of the realistic possible scenarios. 

After we get blown out by the Pats, let Bryce start and see what he's really got (minus the dumbed down offense).  If the doesn't have it, sign Glennon and McCarron -- neither of whom will cost a fortune.

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