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4 hours ago, rangerous said:

you can't teach speed.  he'll do better in coverage and actually has enough speed to make up for a bad angle.  his only issue at this point is physical size.  it's easy to see him be blocked out by players 50+lbs heavier.  he'll need to recognize the blocks and avoid them or learn better on how to shed them.

Actually he does not have enough speed to make up for bad angles, he has proven that this year.  The Jets envisioned him as being a Shazier, Deone Buchanon type of guy and they are using him as if he was demairo davis.  He has shown himslef to be quick and athletic but he needs to clue into pass coverage and blitzing in a hurry because you don;t draft a run stopper 20th over all.

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Bart Scott : Jets Need Lee's Energy

Former Jets LB Bart Scott Says Rookie ‘Backer Will Continue to Get Polished with Experience

During our weekly chat on The Jets Podcast Network, I brought up rookie ILB  Darron Leeicon-article-link.gif  to Bart Scott and the Madbacker interjected with praise.

“You need that energy,” he said of Lee, who never left the field against the Patriots and tied for the team lead with 11 tackles. “The light bulb is on.”

Lee’s speed and athleticism were on display throughout the Week 12 contest that pitted the old AFC East rivals against each other. He also was given more responsibility in sub packages, calling defensive plays and making sure the front was aligned correctly. But focused on improvement, Lee was disappointed that a showing of an inside blitz cost him in his pursuit of RB James White on a critical fourth-down conversion. With the Jets holding a tenuous one-point lead, White was able to take a short pass and get 4.5 yards on a fourth-and-4.

“It’s about the details, it’s about inches,” Scott said. “It’s funny, you think about any given Sunday, it’s a game of inches. And about 20 inches cost the Jets an opportunity. It’s not about the inability to make the play, it’s about the technique and awareness. The thing is, it’s 80% mental. We know he has the athleticism, the raw ability, but now we just have to fin- tune it and polish up that diamond.”

A playmaker at Ohio State, Lee is a 22-year-old who played 28 games for the Buckeyes in two seasons while recording 27.5 tackles for loss, 12 sacks and three interceptions.  An ankle injury in Week 6 forced Lee out of the lineup for three weeks, but he made his return to game action against the Rams and then was full-go against the Pats attack last Sunday.

“Sometimes you get that experience in the game or sometimes in practice. This is his first time going against Tom Brady,” Scott said. “Now he understands what he’s dealing with and understands he has to think on the next level. You have to think, not just react. You need to be proactive, not reactive.”The Jets selected Lee No. 20 overall in last April’s draft. He led the team in tackles before going down vs. the Cardinals and the expectation is he’ll continue to get progress over this final five-game stretch.

“Pre-snap recognition, understanding your own scouting report: what do they say you can’t do and you have to understand situational football,” Scott said. “That’s something that comes with being around tremendous teachers and learning. It’s a process, but you want to speed that process up so that you can improve as a player and help your team win. Then you can elevate your status and your respect around the league.”

>     http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/article-7/Bart-Scott-Jets-Need-Lees-Energy-/850c063a-f3d8-4979-a4eb-a6879c56972c

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On 11/30/2016 at 11:08 AM, Jetsfan80 said:

Blah.  We've taken enough project picks.  We want an instant contributor at a position that matters.  Like that time we took Derek Carr rather than making a stupid pick, like taking a safety at 20.  Wait.....

The hilarity of it is the reason Lee was picked - if Bowles/Maccagnan are to be taken at their word - is precisely because of how much of a contributor he'd be as a rookie.

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On 11/29/2016 at 0:58 PM, Maxman said:

Lee seems to need more work than we hoped in coverage.

I'm wondering how much sense it makes to draft a 225lb linebacker in round 1. There are a million of these guys in the later rounds/street free agents. Not sure it's a wise move from an asset allocation standpoint. Hopefully he becomes a force, but he doesn't look much better than average at this point.

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4 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

The hilarity of it is the reason Lee was picked - if Bowles/Maccagnan are to be taken at their word - is precisely because of how much of a contributor he'd be as a rookie.

LEading the team in tackles is contributing.

Fans just want an Pro Bowler at every position.

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You guys are gonna feel foolish next year. Lee was the best player available & you'll be happy he's a Jet when we find an edge rusher & dump the 17 million dollar Revis & revamp the secondary.

You guys will be losing your minds when we take Jabril Peppers & start putting together our Bobby Wagner/Earl Thomas combo. Right now we have ZERO PASS RUSH! I don't know if you guys remember but Ray Lewis worst year ever was when they had injuries up front & couldn't pass rush or keep Olineman off of him. There's a symbiotic relationship on defense with everyone. If one area is not getting the job done it effects the next level.

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5 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said:

LEading the team in tackles is contributing.

Fans just want an Pro Bowler at every position.

First, no he isn't.

Second, his contributions have really helped so much. Just imagine what our record would be without him. 

Keep trying. Eventually you'll be right about something I'm sure. Law of averages and all.

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12 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

First, no he isn't.

Second, his contributions have really helped so much. Just imagine what our record would be without him. 

Keep trying. Eventually you'll be right about something I'm sure. Law of averages and all.

Oh so LBers determine records. As a moderator you should know better.

And the fact that you are a moderator and hate the GM just shows how much this fanbase wants to be miserable.

Another reason why the Jets should move.

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3 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said:

Oh so LBers determine records. As a moderator you should know better.

And the fact that you are a moderator and hate the GM just shows how much this fanbase wants to be miserable.

Another reason why the Jets should move.

It isn't hate. It's that he's in over his head. 

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I get that everybody is down on this team, but this article is good news.  the kid played every damned rep and he is being trusted to set up the defense as well

this is a player that is actually developing and growing, and that is a good thing

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On 11/29/2016 at 8:00 PM, Jetster said:

Do you guys realize how fast things happen on an NFL field? I'm thrilled that Lee knew he was 2 steps inside & was still able to almost stop White from getting the 1st down. You realize David Harris with 2 steps towards White & the sideline would not even got there & would be running down the sideline.

The rookies are getting much needed experience. Jamie Collins was a non factor for the Pats in his 1st 2 years. We all want every rookie to play like 5 year vets but it's not how it works. 

Ummmmm this!!!!!

A Rookie means you are going to make mistakes.  

It is the play of the so called veterans that should have everyone worried out here!!

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On 12/1/2016 at 1:06 PM, kelly said:

Bart Scott : Jets Need Lee's Energy

Former Jets LB Bart Scott Says Rookie ‘Backer Will Continue to Get Polished with Experience

During our weekly chat on The Jets Podcast Network, I brought up rookie ILB  Darron Leeicon-article-link.gif  to Bart Scott and the Madbacker interjected with praise.

“You need that energy,” he said of Lee, who never left the field against the Patriots and tied for the team lead with 11 tackles. “The light bulb is on.”

Lee’s speed and athleticism were on display throughout the Week 12 contest that pitted the old AFC East rivals against each other. He also was given more responsibility in sub packages, calling defensive plays and making sure the front was aligned correctly. But focused on improvement, Lee was disappointed that a showing of an inside blitz cost him in his pursuit of RB James White on a critical fourth-down conversion. With the Jets holding a tenuous one-point lead, White was able to take a short pass and get 4.5 yards on a fourth-and-4.

“It’s about the details, it’s about inches,” Scott said. “It’s funny, you think about any given Sunday, it’s a game of inches. And about 20 inches cost the Jets an opportunity. It’s not about the inability to make the play, it’s about the technique and awareness. The thing is, it’s 80% mental. We know he has the athleticism, the raw ability, but now we just have to fin- tune it and polish up that diamond.”

A playmaker at Ohio State, Lee is a 22-year-old who played 28 games for the Buckeyes in two seasons while recording 27.5 tackles for loss, 12 sacks and three interceptions.  An ankle injury in Week 6 forced Lee out of the lineup for three weeks, but he made his return to game action against the Rams and then was full-go against the Pats attack last Sunday.

“Sometimes you get that experience in the game or sometimes in practice. This is his first time going against Tom Brady,” Scott said. “Now he understands what he’s dealing with and understands he has to think on the next level. You have to think, not just react. You need to be proactive, not reactive.”The Jets selected Lee No. 20 overall in last April’s draft. He led the team in tackles before going down vs. the Cardinals and the expectation is he’ll continue to get progress over this final five-game stretch.

“Pre-snap recognition, understanding your own scouting report: what do they say you can’t do and you have to understand situational football,” Scott said. “That’s something that comes with being around tremendous teachers and learning. It’s a process, but you want to speed that process up so that you can improve as a player and help your team win. Then you can elevate your status and your respect around the league.”

>     http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/article-7/Bart-Scott-Jets-Need-Lees-Energy-/850c063a-f3d8-4979-a4eb-a6879c56972c

Why post such a stupid article and what the heck does Bart Scott know about playing LB in the NFL?

Why we have a cacophony of experts out here who know more than the coaches, commentators and draft gurus combined out here.  

Now Lee leading the team in tackles is a bad thing!!

Jets Fans!!

Good Grief!!

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4 hours ago, Charlie Brown said:

Why post such a stupid article and what the heck does Bart Scott know about playing LB in the NFL?

Why we have a cacophony of experts out here who know more than the coaches, commentators and draft gurus combined out here.  

Now Lee leading the team in tackles is a bad thing!!

Jets Fans!!

Good Grief!!

Leading your team in tackles can be a mixed bag rather than grounds for a gold star. Lee may or may not be a good NFL OLB;remains to be seen. We do know he was picked despite his size because it was thought he would be good in coverage right now, and simply he isn't right now. As to leading the team in tackles; does show he gets to the ballcarrier, but also could mean teams run and pass right at him. In the 1990s/early 2000s Jon Gruden Raiders had an LB named Greg Biekert who habitually led the team in tackles, yet not once was he considered a great player, merely an okay one. And that was exactly because other teams often ran plays toward his slot. 

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53 minutes ago, Bugg said:

Leading your team in tackles can be a mixed bag rather than grounds for a gold star. Lee may or may not be a good NFL OLB;remains to be seen. We do know he was picked despite his size because it was thought he would be good in coverage right now, and simply he isn't right now. As to leading the team in tackles; does show he gets to the ballcarrier, but also could mean teams run and pass right at him. In the 1990s/early 2000s Jon Gruden Raiders had an LB named Greg Biekert who habitually led the team in tackles, yet not once was he considered a great player, merely an okay one. And that was exactly because other teams often ran plays toward his slot. 

Ummmm saying someone is a Rookie is far from saying that someone is a "GREAT PLAYER"!!

To claim as some have in this thread that Lee's number hasn't been called all year was the reason for the posts indicating his tackles!!

I never posted nor inferred in any post that numbers of tackles = greatness, rather I was showing that many commentators see potential in Lee, and that he is having an impact on the field.

And that Lee's tackles shouldn't be held against him any more than when Harris routinely led the team tackles.  I have never seen one post saying that Harris is awful cause he is leading the team in tackles year after year.

Now when Lee does it in a game folks are saying that is "proof" he is no good!!

I further am saying that Lee is a rookie, A ROOKIE, and he deserves a second year evaluation and those comparing him to Vernon Gholston and saying he is a bust are being ridiculous and I stand by those statements.

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23 minutes ago, jack48 said:

I thought the fact that Darron Lee had all this speed would make him more noticeable out there. But they do not seem to be maximizing the speed element.

It's because we don't get pressure on the QB at all. If you don't pressure an NFL QB (including a QB as crappy as Fitz), they will find an open receiver.

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2 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said:

Wrong. He has done okay for the most part

The touchdown he gave up tonight was great.

I think he will be alright. But he isn't having any impact this season. Not to worry, there are guys making more money making less of an impact.

But at the end of the day, all I said was he needs work on his coverage. He is fast but he needs work. And, that is true. 

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4 minutes ago, Scoop24 said:

All they got to do is cut Revis he gets paid like 2 Corners lol 

That is the truth. With the cap savings alone, they can sign two average corners. And that will be an improvement.

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2 hours ago, Bugg said:

If you're gonna pick a guy that small that early as an LB and his whole forte is pass coverage he has to be better than nice try. 

Yeah. I am not ready to write him off yet but he hasn't been impressive.

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