Ken Schroy Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Are the Jets any better off than the Rex/Idzik regime? By Brian Costello View author archive email the author follow on twitter Get author RSS feed November 30, 2016 | 6:44pm Jets owner Woody Johnson selected Mike Maccagnan as general manager and Todd Bowles as head coach to lead his franchise on Jan. 14, 2015. On Thursday, it will be 686 days since that decision. How much better are the Jets now than they were then? It is a startling question to consider two years into a regime, but there currently are very few signs the Jets are in a better place in December 2016 than they were in December 2014, when Rex Ryan and John Idzik were in their final days with the team. Two years ago Thursday, the Jets lost to the Dolphins 16-13 on a Monday night at MetLife Stadium, a game best remembered for Geno Smith throwing just 13 passes. The loss dropped the Jets to 2-10 in that miserable season, another loss as they played out the string. This Monday, the Jets face the Colts at MetLife Stadium. They are 3-8 and the season ended before Thanksgiving. Through 27 games, the Maccagnan/Bowles Jets look a whole lot like the Idzik/Ryan Jets. They still have no answer at quarterback. In 2014, there still was some hope for Smith. Now, they have two quarterbacks they are scared to put on the field and Ryan Fitzpatrick playing out his final days as a Jet. The Jets overachieved in 2015, going 10-6 but falling short of the playoffs before bottoming out this year. It is similar pattern to the 2013 Jets overachieving to go 8-8 and missing the playoffs, then cratering in 2014 and going 4-12. Just as in 2014, this roster is full of holes. Jot down a list of draft needs for the Jets and you are basically filling out a depth chart. Outside of defensive line, you could argue every other position is one that needs to be addressed. There is no evidence Maccagnan’s first two draft classes are any better than Idzik’s. Like Idzik, Maccagnan landed a stud defensive lineman in the first round of his first draft. Like Idzik, there is very little else to be confident in. Bowles has shown many of the same frustrating traits Ryan did without the early success Rex enjoyed with the Jets. There still are game-management issues, 12-men-on-the-field penalties, inexplicable timeouts and discipline issues off the field. On top of that, Bowles’ defense this year has been abysmal. The group makes no impact plays and spent the first half of the season watching the ball get thrown over their heads. Maccagnan and Bowles’ plan when they took over to try to remain competitive while building through the draft was flawed. They patched holes with 30-year-old players. If they had made the playoffs last year, they would have bought some time. Instead the playoff drought is about to hit six years, the longest since 1992-97. The spending spree of 2015 looks foolish in hindsight. It has left the roster with some bloated contracts and veterans who don’t fit the future. With Year 3 of this regime beginning in a few weeks, where is this organization at? The Jets say there is a plan; trust them. Well, in Year 3, there should be more production than plan. Next year is when the plan should be coming to fruition. Instead, it feels like the Jets will be hitting the reset button … again. But that reset button comes with one big difference from 2014. It appears Bowles and Maccagnan will survive this awful season. There are no planes circling the building or billboards calling for anyone to be fired. That almost makes this season feel worse than 2014 for fans. At least then, there was the hope of a new regime coming in, loads of salary-cap space and the optimism that comes with a fresh start. What can fans get excited about now? Another miserable Monday night at MetLife? Jets fans deserve better. We certainly do....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Mac is better than Idzik for sure. Mac actually won exec of the year last year. Idzik was pathetic especially in the draft. Bowles and Rex are about equal. One is quiet the other is loud but both are 3-4 defensive guys who will go as far as the Qb takes them. Firing either of these guys doesn't make the team better it just makes Tom Shane stop twitching for a couple hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 4 minutes ago, bitonti said: Mac is better than Idzik for sure. Mac actually won exec of the year last year. Idzik was pathetic especially in the draft. Bowles and Rex are about equal. One is quiet the other is loud but both are 3-4 defensive guys who will go as far as the Qb takes them. Firing either of these guys doesn't make the team better it just makes Tom Shane stop twitching for a couple hours. bowles and rex are about equal? on what planet? bowles isn't half the coach Rex is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 5 minutes ago, nyjunc said: bowles and rex are about equal? on what planet? bowles isn't half the coach Rex is. literally on this planet Rex is 14-13 and Bowles are 13-14 in the last two seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 They might be worse off. The whole organization is at ite lowest point then its ever been. We are in code red kotite style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Just now, bitonti said: literally on this planet Rex is 14-13 and Bowles are 13-14 in the last two seasons. alright but besides that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Mac is light years ahead of Idzik. He is here to stay. Bowles on the other hand is pretty much the same as Rex minus the big mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: They might be worse off. The whole organization is at ite lowest point then its ever been. We are in code red kotite style. Not even close! When we see a Bubby Brister style shovel pass returned for a TD, then we might be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 7 minutes ago, bitonti said: literally on this planet Rex is 14-13 and Bowles are 13-14 in the last two seasons. Rex w/ his undermanned team kept Bowles out of the playoffs last year and Rex w/ a depleted team this year is in the playoff race while we were out by Halloween. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 3 minutes ago, BigRy56 said: Mac is light years ahead of Idzik. He is here to stay. Bowles on the other hand is pretty much the same as Rex minus the big mouth. minus the big mouth and the wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 3 minutes ago, BigRy56 said: Mac is light years ahead of Idzik. He is here to stay. Bowles on the other hand is pretty much the same as Rex minus the big mouth. Wilk - terrible contract Revis - terible contract Fitz - not worth 1/4 of the money mac gave him. Drafting qbs that cant even play? mac has been awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Why do jets fans get caught up in the whole, is the sh*t show we are in now any worse than the sh*t show of a few years back and oh how i long for the sh*t show from 3 years ago because it may have been slightly less of a sh*t show than this sh*t show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 13 minutes ago, nyjunc said: Rex w/ his undermanned team kept Bowles out of the playoffs last year and Rex w/ a depleted team this year is in the playoff race while we were out by Halloween. Bowles beat Rex, this season. It's one of their 3 wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, bitonti said: Bowles beat Rex, this season. It's one of their 3 wins. he did, let's see him do it week 17 to knock the Bills out of the playoffs and they will be even the last 2 years(despite Rex having far less talent to work with). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 13 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: Wilk - terrible contract Revis - terible contract Fitz - not worth 1/4 of the money mac gave him. Drafting qbs that cant even play? mac has been awful. Wilk - loved all around Jet land, not working out so far. Can get out of this deal to sign Richardson Revis - no brainer, will get out of his contract this year. Will probably have to eat 6mil but will save almost 10 Fitz - No brainer, he was and still is the best available quarterback on this team like it or not. His contract is harmless going forward Drafting Hackenberg hurts, should've gone a different direction here - but he's actively trying to find a quarterback It's a bad year, I get it... but Mac has done very well so far. The ultimate test is finding a quarterback. He tried to get through 1 more season with Fitz and it backfired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 20 minutes ago, nyjunc said: minus the big mouth and the wins. Rex was fun for a little while... but he should be getting much more wins with that Buffalo team. He's failing there just as he did us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 4 minutes ago, nyjunc said: he did, let's see him do it week 17 to knock the Bills out of the playoffs and they will be even the last 2 years(despite Rex having far less talent to work with). it's entirely feasible. I don't think Rex deserved to be fired or Bowles. Coaches coach and players play. Give either of these guys good players and they look like good coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 10 minutes ago, nyjunc said: he did, let's see him do it week 17 to knock the Bills out of the playoffs and they will be even the last 2 years(despite Rex having far less talent to work with). Rex has a QB. QB talent makes a bigger difference than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 6 minutes ago, BigRy56 said: Rex was fun for a little while... but he should be getting much more wins with that Buffalo team. He's failing there just as he did us. It’s been a miracle w/ all their injuries and suspensions that they are still in the race. Rex has done a great job this year. 6 minutes ago, bitonti said: it's entirely feasible. I don't think Rex deserved to be fired or Bowles. Coaches coach and players play. Give either of these guys good players and they look like good coaches. Bowles has enough talent to at least compete now, there’s no excuse for the season to have been over by Halloween. I don’t want Bowles fired even though he’s been awful this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, jamesr said: Rex has a QB. QB talent makes a bigger difference than anything else. he has a mediocre QB, so do we. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 6 minutes ago, nyjunc said: he has a mediocre QB, so do we. I'll take his mediocre QB over our one any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 1 minute ago, jamesr said: I'll take his mediocre QB over our one any day. sure but he's still mediocre. I like Taylor more than Fitz but he can be frustrating too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 20 minutes ago, nyjunc said: It’s been a miracle w/ all their injuries and suspensions that they are still in the race. Rex has done a great job this year. Bowles has enough talent to at least compete now, there’s no excuse for the season to have been over by Halloween. I don’t want Bowles fired even though he’s been awful this year. If Rex did not luck out and face the Patriots 3rd string rookie QB, they would be under .500 right now and everyone would be talking about who the next coach for the Bills is. They have much more talent than the Jets do, and the Jets have as many key injuries as they do. The Jets are not a talented team, Rex and Bowles both suck as coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Costello actually believes that Maccagnan's drafts are comparable to Idzik's? Most of Maccagnan draft picks are actually playing meaningful minutes. That ALONE creates a major separation. Costello has entered the Cimini/Mehta troll zone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 48 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: Wilk - terrible contract Revis - terible contract Fitz - not worth 1/4 of the money mac gave him. Drafting qbs that cant even play? mac has been awful. 3 of those mistakes are hindsight which a majority didnt question and the other one is TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 38 minutes ago, nyjunc said: he did, let's see him do it week 17 to knock the Bills out of the playoffs and they will be even the last 2 years(despite Rex having far less talent to work with). This post should be the site banner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 6 minutes ago, NoBowles said: If Rex did not luck out and face the Patriots 3rd string rookie QB, they would be under .500 right now and everyone would be talking about who the next coach for the Bills is. They have much more talent than the Jets do, and the Jets have as many key injuries as they do. The Jets are not a talented team, Rex and Bowles both suck as coaches. How did the other 3 teams fare when they lucked out not facing Brady? The Jets have MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more talent than the Bills especially when you factor healt/suspensions. We’d be in the race if Rex was still here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Just now, nyjunc said: How did the other 3 teams fare when they lucked out not facing Brady? The Jets have MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more talent than the Bills especially when you factor healt/suspensions. We’d be in the race if Rex was still here I dont believe that. The Bills were picked ahead of the Jets this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 1 hour ago, bitonti said: Mac is better than Idzik for sure. Mac actually won exec of the year last year. Idzik was pathetic especially in the draft. Executive of the Year is selected by the likes of Mehta and Cimini. It means dick. I have no idea how Idzik's drafts can be considered more pathetic than Maccagnan's. In two years, each of them has given us a really good DT and basically nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 3 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Executive of the Year is selected by the likes of Mehta and Cimini. It means dick. I have no idea how Idzik's drafts can be considered more pathetic than Maccagnan's. In two years, each of them has given us a really good DT and basically nothing else. How many of Idzik's picks actually played? How many of Maccagnan's picks have played meaningful minutes. There's your answer. Idzik: Enunwa, Richardson, Milliner. Maccagnan: Williams, Lee, Jenkins, Peake, Edwards, Mauldin Not to mention the UDFAs, Anderson and Marshall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 4 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: I dont believe that. The Bills were picked ahead of the Jets this year. by who? many "experts" had us challenging NE. every prediction I saw had us in 2nd place ahead of Buf and Miami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Just now, nyjunc said: by who? many "experts" had us challenging NE. every prediction I saw had us in 2nd place ahead of Buf and Miami. I had us at 7 wins. That's not challenging Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 See what Costello and others are judging is number of stars drafted. What they dont seem to understand is that like MLB, you cant have an All Star at every position. Give me players with some talent to create depth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 10 minutes ago, nyjunc said: How did the other 3 teams fare when they lucked out not facing Brady? The Jets have MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more talent than the Bills especially when you factor healt/suspensions. We’d be in the race if Rex was still here LOL, yeah, sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 6 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: I had us at 7 wins. That's not challenging and we will have to play great down the stretch to get to 7. where did you have Buffalo? probably around 6/7 too. they already have 6 wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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