isired Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Gasser was arrested this morning and charged with manslaughter. Press conference live now. http://www.nola.com/articles/19786300/joe_mcknight_gasser_arrest.amp Regarding the dozen+ posts in the previous thread on stand your ground, my understanding is that it is an affirmative defense, the burden of proof falls on the defendant. So it would not preclude an arrest, but rather would seem to necessitate one, given Gasser's acknowledgement that he had shot and killed McKnight. But it seems like it probably affected the charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 RIP Joe McKnight Justice will be served Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Did I hear correctly, before the moment of silence last night, the stadium announcer say "Jets Legend, Joe McKnight"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetophile Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I knew charges of some sort were imminent. How could there not be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Just now, Warfish said: Did I hear correctly, before the moment of silence last night, the stadium announcer say "Jets Legend, Joe McKnight"? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Just now, joewilly12 said: Yes Legend, eh. smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 10 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: RIP Joe McKnight Justice will be served I'll reserve judgement until later... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFreak89 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 2 minutes ago, Warfish said: Legend, eh. smh Obviously overstated but c'mon man, it's for his family. Did anyone else see Westhoff get emotional last night re: McKnight on the Postgame? Feel bad for the guy, I think he could've been a great HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 12 minutes ago, Warfish said: Did I hear correctly, before the moment of silence last night, the stadium announcer say "Jets Legend, Joe McKnight"? they call all alumni Jets "legends", whenever they bring back former players they refer to them as legends. even guys as crappy as Rob carpenter who never did a thing for us and 90% of the fanbase doesn't remember him they call a legend as he shows up for everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallinPB Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Let's not judge the legend commentary. The man lost his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19andOhWait Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 shots were fired from inside the car. a true coward. rot in prison then in hell Mr Gasser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetophile Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 11 minutes ago, JetFreak89 said: Obviously overstated but c'mon man, it's for his family. Did anyone else see Westhoff get emotional last night re: McKnight on the Postgame? Feel bad for the guy, I think he could've been a great HC. Speaking of Westhoff, how 'bout that blocked punt on STs by McKnight vs. Dallas? That was awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papz187 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Speaking of Westhoff, how 'bout that blocked punt on STs by McKnight vs. Dallas? That was awesome. That play was huge too, we were down I believe 2 TDs in the 4th at that point and that blocked punt led to one TD in a game the Jets eventually won.....was also on the 10th anniversary of 9/11 too.Sent from my SM-N915T using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I'll wait to see if he actually gets convicted. I can't believe they let him go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 13 minutes ago, papz187 said: That play was huge too, we were down I believe 2 TDs in the 4th at that point and that blocked punt led to one TD in a game the Jets eventually won.....was also on the 10th anniversary of 9/11 too. Sent from my SM-N915T using Tapatalk that blocked punt tied the game late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Now we get twisted when a murdered ex Jets is called a Jet legend? Are we this clueless and classless as a fanbase? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 24 minutes ago, rillo said: I'll wait to see if he actually gets convicted. I can't believe they let him go That is the shocking part. I would think they could hold him for a bit while they sorted through this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 If it was self defense the guy isn't getting charged with anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devland Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 The fact that the defendant was originally released tells me that the police and/or prosecutor felt they needed time to gather more evidence to remove reasonable doubt. You have to hope that they found what ever else they needed to get a conviction and didn't just speed up the process to relieve the pressure they were receiving from the public to make an arrest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokiejetfan92 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Why does the storyline always have to be so one sided? why does every one assumes McKnight is completely innocent and is a complete victim here? Because he was good at football then he probably is a great guy right? You never know who you are dealing with in the real world, and maybe McKnight thought he could intimidate someone after a car accident, talked some crap and now he's dead. Maybe he was trying to pull the guy out of the car so he could kick his but and that is how it happened, but everyone assumes McKnight was being a reasonable person. If he was the shooter would have been arrested right away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I wont be surprised if this is just the La. justice system putting on a show to quell outrage just to work toward an acquittal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 9 minutes ago, Maxman said: That is the shocking part. I would think they could hold him for a bit while they sorted through this. It's a joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 5 minutes ago, hokiejetfan92 said: Why does the storyline always have to be so one sided? why does every one assumes McKnight is completely innocent and is a complete victim here? Because he was good at football then he probably is a great guy right? You never know who you are dealing with in the real world, and maybe McKnight thought he could intimidate someone after a car accident, talked some crap and now he's dead. Maybe he was trying to pull the guy out of the car so he could kick his but and that is how it happened, but everyone assumes McKnight was being a reasonable person. If he was the shooter would have been arrested right away McKnight was unarmed. As he is on foot moving toward the car how about rolling up the window stepping on the gas and going straight to the nearest PD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets_Win Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I'm glad this guy is being charged with something; you can't shoot people because you're mad at traffic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetophile Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 44 minutes ago, August said: I'll reserve judgement until later... People are nuts. It is so not worth engaging anyone when it comes to road rage, no matter your race, color, or creed. We've all called people a-holes and given the finger and such, but I stopped doing that years ago because people are freaking crazy. Ignore and carry on. Do I ever have a story, but don't we all. Bottom line is, all Gasser had to do was say I have a weapon if he felt that threatened and that probably would've diffused it. Man, I hope this guy goes down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 1 hour ago, Warfish said: Did I hear correctly, before the moment of silence last night, the stadium announcer say "Jets Legend, Joe McKnight"? Yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 1 hour ago, nyjunc said: they call all alumni Jets "legends", whenever they bring back former players they refer to them as legends. even guys as crappy as Rob carpenter who never did a thing for us and 90% of the fanbase doesn't remember him they call a legend as he shows up for everything. Last night they called Lou Benfatti and Blair Thomas "Jets legends". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 1 hour ago, nyjunc said: they call all alumni Jets "legends", whenever they bring back former players they refer to them as legends. even guys as crappy as Rob carpenter who never did a thing for us and 90% of the fanbase doesn't remember him they call a legend as he shows up for everything. Was honestly unaware that was the policy, seems a bit marketing-dishonest, but if they do it for everyone who ever played, so be it of course. Was more curious than anything else, because while his death was tragic, he's not in the ballpark of a being legend. I hope McKnight was not the aggressor here, and that his family will receive justice for his death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 1 hour ago, Warfish said: Was honestly unaware that was the policy, seems a bit marketing-dishonest, but if they do it for everyone who ever played, so be it of course. Was more curious than anything else, because while his death was tragic, he's not in the ballpark of a being legend. I hope McKnight was not the aggressor here, and that his family will receive justice for his death. It doesn't appear that way: Later in the press conference, when Normand finally stepped down from his soapbox and addressed the case, he said that Gasser became irritated when McKnight cut Gasser off in traffic. Gasser then pursued McKnight. McKnight eventually parked and went to Gasser’s car. At that point, Gasser fired three shots. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/12/06/sheriff-explains-joe-mcknight-shooting-with-another-bizarre-press-conference/ Also, Gasser has apparently been arrested in another road rage incident where he chased a guy to a gas station and then punched him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Just now, detectivekimble said: It doesn't appear that way: Later in the press conference, when Normand finally stepped down from his soapbox and addressed the case, he said that Gasser became irritated when McKnight cut Gasser off in traffic. Gasser then pursued McKnight. McKnight eventually parked and went to Gasser’s car. At that point, Gasser fired three shots. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/12/06/sheriff-explains-joe-mcknight-shooting-with-another-bizarre-press-conference/ Also, Gasser has apparently been arrested in another road rage incident where he chased a guy to a gas station and then punched him. The other road rage incident with Gasser is what convinced me that this guy is a nutjob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 2 hours ago, JetFreak89 said: Obviously overstated but c'mon man, it's for his family. Did anyone else see Westhoff get emotional last night re: McKnight on the Postgame? Feel bad for the guy, I think he could've been a great HC. The word is that McKnight was liked in the locker room. Mangold, Powell, and Revis are having a hard time with the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 I feel bad for mcnight. I never read the story in detail until now so at the risk of sounding crazy...I hate to say it but: McNight is wrong. The other dude shouldnt be in jail nor should he be charged. It doesnt matter if you agree or disagree with the stand your ground laws. Its the law in LA. So if were going by the law, a person who has a license to carry, is in a public place, and reasonably feels that his life is in immediate danger (death OR great bodily harm) ..he has the right to fire. Now I respect anyone who hates the law. I get it. I support the law. But its not about my feelings... McNight chased the guy down. they both got to a red light and screamed at each other. Joe, however, got out of his car. Then Joe approached him. Anyone out there ...that would not be fully pumped on an adrenelin overload and then get VERY concerned when the guy exits his vehicle AND approaches your car AND hes a big menacing dude is a LIAR. Youd be scared too and definitely fear for at least a possible beatdown. Well you dont have to take a beating..... This guy going to jail is a travesty, imo. sorry, Joe. you didnt deserve to die. you might not have even laid a hand on the guy but exiting your vehicle was a mistake. Its not an adult thing to do. Its aggressive. Its crossing the line. Its also very, very foolish to do so in a southern stand your ground law state Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 On 12/6/2016 at 10:27 AM, Maxman said: That is the shocking part. I would think they could hold him for a bit while they sorted through this. According to the sheriff they were searching for reliable witnesses. That takes time. You can't just hold a guy without charging him while you go on an indefinite search for that, especially when he's being nothing but cooperative. I know this because I'm home sick and watching Law & Order marathons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 9 minutes ago, HighPitch said: I feel bad for mcnight. I never read the story in detail until now so at the risk of sounding crazy...I hate to say it but: McNight is wrong. The other dude shouldnt be in jail nor should he be charged. It doesnt matter if you agree or disagree with the stand your ground laws. Its the law in LA. So if were going by the law, a person who has a license to carry, is in a public place, and reasonably feels that his life is in immediate danger (death OR great bodily harm) ..he has the right to fire. Now I respect anyone who hates the law. I get it. I support the law. But its not about my feelings... McNight chased the guy down. they both got to a red light and screamed at each other. Joe, however, got out of his car. Then Joe approached him. Anyone out there ...that would not be fully pumped on an adrenelin overload and then get VERY concerned when the guy exits his vehicle AND approaches your car AND hes a big menacing dude is a LIAR. Youd be scared too and definitely fear for at least a possible beatdown. Well you dont have to take a beating..... This guy going to jail is a travesty, imo. sorry, Joe. you didnt deserve to die. you might not have even laid a hand on the guy but exiting your vehicle was a mistake. Its not an adult thing to do. Its aggressive. Its crossing the line. Its also very, very foolish to do so in a southern stand your ground law state Joe McNight is far from a big menancing dude. I can tell you with the utmost certainty unless someone is approaching my car with a weapon of some sort I might have an adrenaline rush, but fear for my life? Honestly I'm at a loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 11 minutes ago, HighPitch said: I feel bad for mcnight. I never read the story in detail until now so at the risk of sounding crazy...I hate to say it but: McNight is wrong. The other dude shouldnt be in jail nor should he be charged. It doesnt matter if you agree or disagree with the stand your ground laws. Its the law in LA. So if were going by the law, a person who has a license to carry, is in a public place, and reasonably feels that his life is in immediate danger (death OR great bodily harm) ..he has the right to fire. Now I respect anyone who hates the law. I get it. I support the law. But its not about my feelings... McNight chased the guy down. they both got to a red light and screamed at each other. Joe, however, got out of his car. Then Joe approached him. Anyone out there ...that would not be fully pumped on an adrenelin overload and then get VERY concerned when the guy exits his vehicle AND approaches your car AND hes a big menacing dude is a LIAR. Youd be scared too and definitely fear for at least a possible beatdown. Well you dont have to take a beating..... This guy going to jail is a travesty, imo. sorry, Joe. you didnt deserve to die. you might not have even laid a hand on the guy but exiting your vehicle was a mistake. Its not an adult thing to do. Its aggressive. Its crossing the line. Its also very, very foolish to do so in a southern stand your ground law state Unfortunately...I have to agree. However.... the shooter will stand trial. What you described will be adjudicated and hopefully the right thing done. If that's jail...so be it. I hate road rage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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