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Woody Johnson must pick Todd Bowles' replacement before Jets owner takes potential UK ambassador job

 Gary Meyers

As long as Woody Johnson doesn't pick John Idzik as his chief of staff and Santonio Holmes as his embassy spokesman, he probably won't do too much damage to relations with the United States' chief ally as ambassador to Great Britain. Before Johnson treks off to jolly old England, if his buddy Donald Trump tabs him for the prestigious post that would require him to live abroad, he needs to fire Todd Bowles. Requirement for Bowles' replacement: An offensive coach with NFL head coaching experience.

No more head coach rookies. No more defensive coaches.

The clear-cut No. 1 candidate: Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels. Big problem: Bill Belichick.

Belichick, overbearing and unrealistic in his expectations regarding loyalty, would cut off their friendship if McDaniels ever took the Jets job, just like he did when his former assistant Eric Mangini was hired by the Jets in 2006. Mangini got even for the shoddy treatment — Belichick had his key card to the building turned off before Mangini could clear out his office — by blowing the whistle on Belichick in Spygate in 2007. McDaniels is considered Belichick's heir apparent in New England with no indication when Belichick is going to hang up his hoodie. He is the perfect coach for the Jets: He's a state-of-the-art offensive coach in a league that puts a premium on coaches and quarterbacks, and he's surely learned from failing in his first head coaching job in Denver. Meanwhile, the implications of Johnson living abroad and not around the Jets are enormous. Although he is not involved in the day-to-day football operations, no big football or business decision gets made without Johnson's input and approval. Pittsburgh owner Dan Rooney left the Steelers in the good hands of his son, team president Art II, who was already a major force in the organization, when he served as ambassador to Ireland from 2009-12. But none of Johnson's family members are involved with the Jets. Team president Neil Glat is Johnson's likely surrogate. Rooney had to give up his spots on league committees and his title with the Steelers went from chairman to chairman emeritus, although the NFL said Tuesday there was no league requirement for an owner to make any adjustments if he becomes an ambassador. Rooney lived in Ireland full-time and came home to see some games. He was in constant communication with the team executives. Johnson, in a diplomatic way, is going to have to make a major concession that not only the process was flawed that produced GM Mike Maccagnan and Bowles in 2015 but that the selection of Bowles was a mistake. That's going to take some serious swallowing of Johnson's pride, but Jets Nation gave him the go-ahead to make a coaching change once again by not bothering to show up for Monday night's 41-10 blowout loss to the mediocre Colts. So, where does Johnson go from here? Before we get into names, a few parameters on the search for a new head coach:

-- Johnson has owned the Jets for nearly 17 years. He should have enough contacts and insight that he doesn't need to rely on outside consultants to make important hires. Head hunter Jed Hughes found Idzik in 2013. That didn't work out so well. Former GMs Charley Casserly and Ron Wolf led the search that resulted in Maccagnan and Bowles. Maccagnan worked for Casserly in Washington and Houston and Bowles played for Casserly in Washington. Casserly attempted to team him with Maccagnan's good friend, Bills coach Doug Marrone, but Johnson backed off Marrone when the potential hire was not received well in New York. Johnson picked Maccagnan and then Maccagnan signed off on Bowles. It was a shotgun wedding. They each report to Johnson. He didn't learn when he forced Rex Ryan on Idzik as a condition of employment. The GM has to have a say in hiring the coach. -- Bill Parcells, hired by Leon Hess in 1997, is the last Jets coach hired with NFL head coaching experience. Al Groh, who was hired by Parcells shortly after Johnson bought the team, is the last Jets coach with head coaching experience at any level. He was the head coach at Wake Forest from 1981-86. He quit the Jets after one season and was hired as head coach by Virginia, his alma mater. Since then for the Jets, it's been Herm Edwards, Mangini, Ryan and Bowles. All were defensive coaches, none had been a head coach at any level.

Now, the candidates:

-- McDaniels: He tried too hard to be Belichick when he was hired as the Broncos head coach in 2009. There is only one Belichick, thank goodness. McDaniels was just 33. He was fired during his second season in Denver after just 28 games with an 11-17 record. Bowles has coached the Jets for 28 games and is 13-15. McDaniel is beloved by Tom Brady. Can he do good work with a QB who is not the best in NFL history? I like his chances over Chan Gailey to develop Christian Hackenberg. You want the best coach on the staff coaching the quarterback, the most important player on the team. The head coach should be the best coach.

-- Mike McCarthy, Packers head coach: Has his time run out at Lambeau? He's had Aaron Rodgers, one of the top three quarterbacks in the league, and been to just one Super Bowl in what is now Rodgers' ninth year starting. He is 110-61-1 in the regular season and 8-7 in the playoffs, including two losses at home to the Giants. Green Bay is just 6-6 this season.

-- Lane Kiffin, Alabama offensive coordinator: He's only 41 and has lots of energy and personality. He was fired after 20 games (5-15) as Raiders head coach by Al Davis, but so was Mike Shanahan (8-12), who then won two Super Bowls with Denver. Kiffin was fired at the airport by USC athletic director Pat Haden upon returning from a 62-41 loss at Arizona St. early in his fourth season in 2013, but he inherited a bad situation with scholarship limitations from infractions incurred during Pete Carroll's regime. Nick Saban has praised Kiffin's work the last three years, transforming Alabama into a multi-dimensional offense.

-- Jon Gruden: How much fun would Chuckie be on the New York stage? He hasn't coached since he was fired by the Bucs following the 2008 season, but is still a cutting-edge offensive coach who has stayed in touch with the game as an analyst on Monday Night Football and his pre-draft QB Camp series on ESPN.

-- Todd Haley, Steelers offensive coordinator: He won over Big Ben, which is not easy. He's a former Jets assistant, a Parcells disciple and the son of Dick Haley, a former Jets personnel director. He was also the head coach of the Chiefs. He was 19-26 before he was fired late in his third season. He's an emotional coach, a nice changeup from Bowles. This is his fifth year with Roethlisberger.

-- Scott Linehan, Cowboys offensive coordinator: He's done an amazing job with rookie Dak Prescott considering he had only two weeks to prepare him to start after Tony Romo was injured in the third preseason game. He was only 11-25 as coach of the Rams from 2006-08, but since the early years of Kurt Warner, nobody wins with the Rams.

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2 minutes ago, drdetroit said:

$50 on whether the U.S. is at war with Britain in 3 years

LOL!

That said, to those I'm guessing will inevitably to ruin yet another thread, please just don't. We're just going to remove such posts anyway. You don't have to like the policy, but you do have to respect it to post here.

Thanks in advance!

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All those options are terrible candidates. They are all losers at the head coach position. There's a reason none of them are head coaches except McCarthy who can't seem to win with one of the best QBs in the league. How is he going to win with an unknown quantity at QB? I really do not get people loving McDaniels as a head coach. It's obviously not happening here but even if it did...why? He was awful as a head coach in Denver while NE continued to perform without him. He's a good candidate if you have amnesia about his time in the position. 

 

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Transmission specialist: Do you know anything about transmissions?

 

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This is the one you all deserve:

 

-- Lane Kiffin, Alabama offensive coordinator: He's only 41 and has lots of energy and personality. He was fired after 20 games (5-15) as Raiders head coach by Al Davis, but so was Mike Shanahan (8-12), who then won two Super Bowls with Denver. Kiffin was fired at the airport by USC athletic director Pat Haden upon returning from a 62-41 loss at Arizona St. early in his fourth season in 2013, but he inherited a bad situation with scholarship limitations from infractions incurred during Pete Carroll's regime. Nick Saban has praised Kiffin's work the last three years, transforming Alabama into a multi-dimensional offense.

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Mike McCoy 

Tom Cable 

Frank Reich 

None of these names will be popular on this board but I would be happy with all 3.  Cable has done an amazing job with a revolving group of no-name OL in Seattle and has some HC experience.   McCoy is a good coach in a tough spot out in SD.   Reich has done a great job as OC but would be a first time HC.   

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33 minutes ago, rex-n-effect said:

All those options are terrible candidates. They are all losers at the head coach position. There's a reason none of them are head coaches except McCarthy who can't seem to win with one of the best QBs in the league. How is he going to win with an unknown quantity at QB? I really do not get people loving McDaniels as a head coach. It's obviously not happening here but even if it did...why? He was awful as a head coach in Denver while NE continued to perform without him. He's a good candidate if you have amnesia about his time in the position. 

 

We can not afford to bring in another rookie head coach.  We should absolutely find someone that has experience.  

Many Super Bowl winning HC's won their first championship in their second job....Off the top of my head - Bellichick Carroll, Coughlin, Shannahan, Kubiak -I'm sure there's more...go through the list and you'll find over the past 20 years there were likely more retread Super Bowl winning HC's than not.

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26 minutes ago, LionelRichie said:

Mike McCoy 

Tom Cable 

Frank Reich 

None of these names will be popular on this board but I would be happy with all 3.  Cable has done an amazing job with a revolving group of no-name OL in Seattle and has some HC experience.   McCoy is a good coach in a tough spot out in SD.   Reich has done a great job as OC but would be a first time HC.   

I would be ok with Tom Cable or Frank Reich. My preference is Todd Haley Jon Gruden or Josh McDaniels. But the Jets will probably hire Lane Kiffin and resign Dee Millner for 12M.

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See here's the problem, other than Gruden and McCarthey (who aren't going anywhere) none of those guys excite me so I think I'd rather stick with continuity and give Bowles one more year.  On the otherhand I am not a Trump fan but him being President could be the best thing to happen to the Jets org.  Woody gets some b.s. ambassador job which means he'll be way more hands off with the Jets hopefully meaning he'll hire that football "czar" this team desperately needs.

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4 minutes ago, drsamuel84 said:

See here's the problem, other than Gruden and McCarthey (who aren't going anywhere) none of those guys excite me so I think I'd rather stick with continuity and give Bowles one more year.  On the otherhand I am not a Trump fan but him being President could be the best thing to happen to the Jets org.  Woody gets some b.s. ambassador job which means he'll be way more hands off with the Jets hopefully meaning he'll hire that football "czar" this team desperately needs.

It will be like when George Steinbrenner got suspended and the Yankees finally ran the franchise right.

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1 hour ago, Ken Shroy said:

Woody Johnson must pick Todd Bowles' replacement before Jets owner takes potential UK ambassador job

 Gary Meyers

As long as Woody Johnson doesn't pick John Idzik as his chief of staff and Santonio Holmes as his embassy spokesman, he probably won't do too much damage to relations with the United States' chief ally as ambassador to Great Britain. Before Johnson treks off to jolly old England, if his buddy Donald Trump tabs him for the prestigious post that would require him to live abroad, he needs to fire Todd Bowles. Requirement for Bowles' replacement: An offensive coach with NFL head coaching experience.

No more head coach rookies. No more defensive coaches.

The clear-cut No. 1 candidate: Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels. Big problem: Bill Belichick.

Belichick, overbearing and unrealistic in his expectations regarding loyalty, would cut off their friendship if McDaniels ever took the Jets job, just like he did when his former assistant Eric Mangini was hired by the Jets in 2006. Mangini got even for the shoddy treatment — Belichick had his key card to the building turned off before Mangini could clear out his office — by blowing the whistle on Belichick in Spygate in 2007. McDaniels is considered Belichick's heir apparent in New England with no indication when Belichick is going to hang up his hoodie. He is the perfect coach for the Jets: He's a state-of-the-art offensive coach in a league that puts a premium on coaches and quarterbacks, and he's surely learned from failing in his first head coaching job in Denver. Meanwhile, the implications of Johnson living abroad and not around the Jets are enormous. Although he is not involved in the day-to-day football operations, no big football or business decision gets made without Johnson's input and approval. Pittsburgh owner Dan Rooney left the Steelers in the good hands of his son, team president Art II, who was already a major force in the organization, when he served as ambassador to Ireland from 2009-12. But none of Johnson's family members are involved with the Jets. Team president Neil Glat is Johnson's likely surrogate. Rooney had to give up his spots on league committees and his title with the Steelers went from chairman to chairman emeritus, although the NFL said Tuesday there was no league requirement for an owner to make any adjustments if he becomes an ambassador. Rooney lived in Ireland full-time and came home to see some games. He was in constant communication with the team executives. Johnson, in a diplomatic way, is going to have to make a major concession that not only the process was flawed that produced GM Mike Maccagnan and Bowles in 2015 but that the selection of Bowles was a mistake. That's going to take some serious swallowing of Johnson's pride, but Jets Nation gave him the go-ahead to make a coaching change once again by not bothering to show up for Monday night's 41-10 blowout loss to the mediocre Colts. So, where does Johnson go from here? Before we get into names, a few parameters on the search for a new head coach:

-- Johnson has owned the Jets for nearly 17 years. He should have enough contacts and insight that he doesn't need to rely on outside consultants to make important hires. Head hunter Jed Hughes found Idzik in 2013. That didn't work out so well. Former GMs Charley Casserly and Ron Wolf led the search that resulted in Maccagnan and Bowles. Maccagnan worked for Casserly in Washington and Houston and Bowles played for Casserly in Washington. Casserly attempted to team him with Maccagnan's good friend, Bills coach Doug Marrone, but Johnson backed off Marrone when the potential hire was not received well in New York. Johnson picked Maccagnan and then Maccagnan signed off on Bowles. It was a shotgun wedding. They each report to Johnson. He didn't learn when he forced Rex Ryan on Idzik as a condition of employment. The GM has to have a say in hiring the coach. -- Bill Parcells, hired by Leon Hess in 1997, is the last Jets coach hired with NFL head coaching experience. Al Groh, who was hired by Parcells shortly after Johnson bought the team, is the last Jets coach with head coaching experience at any level. He was the head coach at Wake Forest from 1981-86. He quit the Jets after one season and was hired as head coach by Virginia, his alma mater. Since then for the Jets, it's been Herm Edwards, Mangini, Ryan and Bowles. All were defensive coaches, none had been a head coach at any level.

Now, the candidates:

-- McDaniels: He tried too hard to be Belichick when he was hired as the Broncos head coach in 2009. There is only one Belichick, thank goodness. McDaniels was just 33. He was fired during his second season in Denver after just 28 games with an 11-17 record. Bowles has coached the Jets for 28 games and is 13-15. McDaniel is beloved by Tom Brady. Can he do good work with a QB who is not the best in NFL history? I like his chances over Chan Gailey to develop Christian Hackenberg. You want the best coach on the staff coaching the quarterback, the most important player on the team. The head coach should be the best coach.

-- Mike McCarthy, Packers head coach: Has his time run out at Lambeau? He's had Aaron Rodgers, one of the top three quarterbacks in the league, and been to just one Super Bowl in what is now Rodgers' ninth year starting. He is 110-61-1 in the regular season and 8-7 in the playoffs, including two losses at home to the Giants. Green Bay is just 6-6 this season.

-- Lane Kiffin, Alabama offensive coordinator: He's only 41 and has lots of energy and personality. He was fired after 20 games (5-15) as Raiders head coach by Al Davis, but so was Mike Shanahan (8-12), who then won two Super Bowls with Denver. Kiffin was fired at the airport by USC athletic director Pat Haden upon returning from a 62-41 loss at Arizona St. early in his fourth season in 2013, but he inherited a bad situation with scholarship limitations from infractions incurred during Pete Carroll's regime. Nick Saban has praised Kiffin's work the last three years, transforming Alabama into a multi-dimensional offense.

-- Jon Gruden: How much fun would Chuckie be on the New York stage? He hasn't coached since he was fired by the Bucs following the 2008 season, but is still a cutting-edge offensive coach who has stayed in touch with the game as an analyst on Monday Night Football and his pre-draft QB Camp series on ESPN.

-- Todd Haley, Steelers offensive coordinator: He won over Big Ben, which is not easy. He's a former Jets assistant, a Parcells disciple and the son of Dick Haley, a former Jets personnel director. He was also the head coach of the Chiefs. He was 19-26 before he was fired late in his third season. He's an emotional coach, a nice changeup from Bowles. This is his fifth year with Roethlisberger.

-- Scott Linehan, Cowboys offensive coordinator: He's done an amazing job with rookie Dak Prescott considering he had only two weeks to prepare him to start after Tony Romo was injured in the third preseason game. He was only 11-25 as coach of the Rams from 2006-08, but since the early years of Kurt Warner, nobody wins with the Rams.

Do it right for once.  Throw the big bucks after Gruden.

 

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14 minutes ago, drsamuel84 said:

See here's the problem, other than Gruden and McCarthey (who aren't going anywhere) none of those guys excite me so I think I'd rather stick with continuity and give Bowles one more year.  On the otherhand I am not a Trump fan but him being President could be the best thing to happen to the Jets org.  Woody gets some b.s. ambassador job which means he'll be way more hands off with the Jets hopefully meaning he'll hire that football "czar" this team desperately needs.

I'm not high on McCarthy as a HC. His results with Rodgers from a talented guy who needed serious work into an all time great is more than most have to offer, though. Half the successful coaches out there would be nothings like Bowles without above-average QB play/results. Success in the absence of such requires too much from all other units, on top of a lot of luck and plenty of other things falling just the right way at the right time (e.g. Jets 2009 & 2010). 

Sure, even 1 ring is all most of us ask, but with so many years of Rodgers in his prime, and some other plenty-talented players on the roster at receiver, on defense, etc., to have "only" 1 ring is shameful. Maybe there would have been more if his D didn't surrender 45 points in a playoff game before Rodgers's fumble-6, 37 pts 2 yrs later vs the Giants, again 45 vs SF, blowing a 12-pt lead with 4 min left vs Seattle, among other letdowns. When they're on the losing end of so many close/OT games, the coach is supposed to be the difference-maker. In GB's case the difference-maker has been wins for the opposition too many times in important games. There wasn't firing talk with him weeks ago just because of this one season's slow start.

All that said, if he finds/develops a great QB for us, though, I'd still roll the dice on our chances with one more than without one. Then we can enjoy the letdowns of losing with a franchise QB lol.

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Hopefully Woody sells the team and becomes the first owner of the new London based team. If we are hiring a new HC I say: 

Darrell Bevell

Seahawks offensive coordinator

Bevell has been in Seattle since 2011 and has overseen the development of quarterback Russell Wilson. Bevell also worked closely with Brett Favre in Green Bay and Minnesota. The Jets could use a head coach who has experience working with quarterbacks.

 

Todd Haley

Steelers offensive coordinator

The Jets have hired first-time head coaches the last four times they have hired one. Maybe it’s time for someone who has done the job before. Haley spent three years as Chiefs coach, including one that ended with a division title. He has roots with the Jets, serving on Bill Parcells’ staff. His father, Dick Haley, was a personnel man for the Jets.

 

Jim Schwartz

Eagles defensive coordinator

Schwartz had a good run as Lions head coach and got the Eagles off to a fast start this season. A respected coach who has been the man in charge before, he figures to be a top candidate this offseason.

 

Kyle Shanahan

Falcons offensive coordinator

He has emerged from his father Mike’s shadow this season with what he has done with the Atlanta offense. Shanahan has been around the league for a long time. At 36, though, he is going to scare off some teams with his youth.

 

 

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38 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

We can not afford to bring in another rookie head coach.  We should absolutely find someone that has experience.  

Many Super Bowl winning HC's won their first championship in their second job....Off the top of my head - Bellichick Carroll, Coughlin, Shannahan, Kubiak -I'm sure there's more...go through the list and you'll find over the past 20 years there were likely more retread Super Bowl winning HC's than not.

Not all experience is good experience. Look at the people on the list in the OP. These are not people who had success in the role and many have not had much success since in the NFL. McCarty is flailing with a HOF QB. Linehan has done nothing with the Cowboys and looks like a sudden wizard at OC because a rookie QB is having a great year. 

My position is merely that we should not limit a search to those with prior NFL HC experience. There are very good college head coaches who could come into the NFL and grow into the role quickly. They have experience at the apex of coaching staff and plenty of experience developing young players. 

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If Woody get this position, then I suspect he'll hire someone in charge of Football Operations to not only oversee everything but decide Bowles and eventually Mac's fates. I wonder if he calls The Big Tuna, or Mike Holmgren (he really didnt do anything in Cleveland), etc to run the show.

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My choices (not a complete list but here are a few I'd be fine with):

Gruden: My #1 choice.  Throw bank at him. 

Coughlin: I wish he were younger but even if he's only for like 2-3 years, he'd still get the franchise pointed in the right direction

Spags: It would be his 2nd go-round as HC and he's a good DC.

Mangini: I still think he'll be a good HC one day.  Definitely wouldn't mind having an older, wiser Mangini here.

 

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1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said:

I'm not high on McCarthy as a HC. His results with Rodgers from a talented guy who needed serious work into an all time great is more than most have to offer, though. Half the successful coaches out there would be nothings like Bowles without above-average QB play/results. Success in the absence of such requires too much from all other units, on top of a lot of luck and plenty of other things falling just the right way at the right time (e.g. Jets 2009 & 2010). 

Sure, even 1 ring is all most of us ask, but with so many years of Rodgers in his prime, and some other plenty-talented players on the roster at receiver, on defense, etc., to have "only" 1 ring is shameful.

I don't know that 1 ring is "shameful" but I fully agree McCarthy's success is all from Aaron Rodgers.  McCarthy is a JAC.

 

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Schwartz or Reich .

Make attempt at Harbaugh it a long shot but he fixes this whole mess and I would not doubt we would be a perennial playoff team with him at the helm. I know its a big long shot but what would it take to get him in here ? He was making 5 mil per at Michigan and they upped him to 7

Woody offer him the biggest contract in history probably 10 mil per at least make the attempt

 

Michigan coach Jim Harbaugh signed an addendum to his initial contract on June 3 that provides an additional $2 million per year to his initial salary of $5 million. The $2 million will be allocated in the form of a life insurance premium that Harbaugh owns.Aug 17, 2016

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2 hours ago, sourceworx said:

Patriots assistants are all garbage. You may as well stick with Bowles if those are the only options.

Woody should bring in Coughlin to run football operations.

And Lane Kiffin?  LOL! Gary Myers is a trolling sack of dogsh!t.

Josh McDaniels would never have the situation going on like we have going on here with Todd Bowles.

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