AFJF Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2016/12/mel_kiper_thinks_jets_should_ignore_qb_draft_this.html There's always a 'but' for Jets fans. As the 2016 season spirals out of control, the Jets are putting themselves in position to have one of the top picks in the 2017 NFL Draft--but there's a problem with the upcoming class of draftees: No true franchise quarterback seems to be present. That comes from the mind of ESPN NFL Draft analyst Mel Kiper. During a conference call on Thursday to discuss the 2017 NFL Draft, Kiper was down on the idea of this class having any sure-fire top 10-caliber quarterback picks. Among the best quarterbacks available, Kiper likes North Carolina's Mitch Trubisky. The problem? With only 13 career starts under his belt--less than Mark Sanchez had coming out of USC--Kiper believes Trubisky would be better served heading back to school before playing his way into No. 1 overall pick status in 2018. As for the other highly-touted throwers? Kiper was critical of Notre Dame's DeShone Kizer after playing in an offense that may not have been suited for him, thinks Clemson's Deshaun Watson needs to play well in the College Football Playoff to put himself back in the conversation of the first round and suggested that Miami's Brad Kaaya go back to school for another year. Where are Jets picking? So, what should the Jets do? "Do you just stretch it for a quarterback? After taking Sanchez (with limited number of college starts), they shouldn't," Kiper said. "When you draft Christian Hackenberg, you don't come back and take a quarterback unless he's spectacular. Offensive line? Too early. Wide receiver? Too early. Alabama linebacker Reuben Foster is my guy. I've been talking him up all fall. That would allow you do different things with Darron Lee. Foster is one of my favorite players. He's spectacular. That's where I would go if I was the Jets inside the top 10." Foster recently received the Dick Butkus Award, presented annually to the best linebacker in the country. The SEC star led the Crimson Tide in tackles, including 12 tackles for loss and four sacks during an undefeated regular season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 how about trading down? package sheldon, wilk, and their first round pick for 2 lower first rounders and maybe a 3rd. get the beef for the oline and also pick up another corner. there are qb's out there who can be traded for or are free agents. or maybe petty or hack for next season. the problem with the jets is that they need to fix both offense and defense. i'm sure most thought the defense was fixed after mac brought in revis, gilchrist, and skrine. it wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Sound logic really. And Foster is literally a monster. He could be that edge rusher we've never had. I know it's the last thing Jets fans want to hear but he's right. The prospects at WR (which we really don't need), OL and QB aren't valued in the top 5. The only issue is, BigMac has shown that he has zero clue how to draft based on value. So I'm sure he'll reach, again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Tim Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 I agree with him!!! The Jets can not go another year with two developmental QBs on their roster and that would assume that they got rid of Petty and getting an edge rusher is a must for this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted December 10, 2016 Author Share Posted December 10, 2016 If not QB in round 1, I say take advantage of the Chad Kelly injury and grab him in the middle rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 44 minutes ago, JiF said: Sound logic really. And Foster is literally a monster. He could be that edge rusher we've never had. I know it's the last thing Jets fans want to hear but he's right. The prospects at WR (which we really don't need), OL and QB aren't valued in the top 5. The only issue is, BigMac has shown that he has zero clue how to draft based on value. So I'm sure he'll reach, again. Yeah problem with that is foster is not an edge rusher....but he is my 2nd fav defense choice behind Peppers....I would not be dissappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 48 minutes ago, JiF said: Sound logic really. And Foster is literally a monster. He could be that edge rusher we've never had. I know it's the last thing Jets fans want to hear but he's right. The prospects at WR (which we really don't need), OL and QB aren't valued in the top 5. The only issue is, BigMac has shown that he has zero clue how to draft based on value. So I'm sure he'll reach, again. Does the name Leonard Williams mean anything to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletKnight89 Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 It's frustrating as a fan to watch the Jets possibly go defense in round 1 yet again but IMO they have 3 big needs to fill. 1. QB 2. O-Line 3. Secondary Obviously there are other needs but these are the biggest. So if the Jets drafted a CB in the first round it would be hard for me to complain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Just now, ScarletKnight89 said: It's frustrating as a fan to watch the Jets possibly go defense in round 1 but IMO they have 3 big needs to fill. 1. QB 2. O-Line 3. Secondary Obviously there are other needs but these are the biggest. So if the Jets drafted a CB in the first round it would be hard for me to complain. You go with what the draft gives you. OL and WRs and possibly QBs are not good in this draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletKnight89 Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: You go with what the draft gives you. OL and WRs and possibly QBs are not good in this draft Yes I know. You take BPA. But just because those positions arent considered positions of depth in this draft, doesnt mean there wont be one available when the jets pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Just now, ScarletKnight89 said: Yes I know. You take BPA. But just because those positions arent considered positions of depth in this draft, doesnt mean there wont be one available when the jets pick. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTL Jet Fan Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 It will be a CB or OLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTL Jet Fan Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 1 hour ago, rangerous said: how about trading down? package sheldon, wilk, and their first round pick for 2 lower first rounders and maybe a 3rd. get the beef for the oline and also pick up another corner. there are qb's out there who can be traded for or are free agents. or maybe petty or hack for next season. the problem with the jets is that they need to fix both offense and defense. i'm sure most thought the defense was fixed after mac brought in revis, gilchrist, and skrine. it wasn't. Who are you talking about trading with? Do you think a team will want MO's contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 I would trade down and get another 2nd or 3rd rounder then draft Dalvin Cook later in the 1st and then add a ton of OL talent in the subsequent rounds. I believe the Jets will bring a vet to either start or back-up Petty if he wins the job. Having a young prototypical RB to play with Petty can only help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 1 minute ago, FTL Jet Fan said: Who are you talking about trading with? Do you think a team will want MO's contract these things can be worked out. the jets are going to pay for him regardless but paying for cancer is just plain stupid. if he does have a bad attitude it will affect the whole defense. that's my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Stay put at 1-2-3-4 pick and pick an immediate impact player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTL Jet Fan Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 It will be a CB or OLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Woody should just hand the keys to the franchise over to Mel Kiper while he's off in the UK. At least if we're going to suck anyway we can prove this guy doesn't know what the **** he's talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 100% Defense all the way or Leonard Fournette. There is no quarterback worth the conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 1 hour ago, rangerous said: how about trading down? package sheldon, wilk, and their first round pick for 2 lower first rounders and maybe a 3rd. get the beef for the oline and also pick up another corner. there are qb's out there who can be traded for or are free agents. or maybe petty or hack for next season. the problem with the jets is that they need to fix both offense and defense. i'm sure most thought the defense was fixed after mac brought in revis, gilchrist, and skrine. it wasn't. Nobody wants these guys. You cant trade for guys nobody wanrs. the last year we tried trading both these guys and couldnt do it. Now they are both coming off bad seasons and tou think anybody wants them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 You cannot have enough down linemen... On a serious note, someone who can pressure the QB or cover a #1 WR will be fine with me. Getting the pick right -- meaning a immediately productive player -- is what it's about. I am not interested in the minutia of the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy 2 Times Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Pass Rusher/OT/CB in that order Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 these draft TV stars have an arc, I've noticed it the last few years they start somewhere with the idea that they will change the story about 5 - 10 times, with about 3 changes coming in the last 2 weeks before the draft so he is just giving himself a starting point wouldn't surprise me if he plans on going QB with the jets pick 2 weeks before the draft, just to change it to corner then OLB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR24 Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 You guys remember when Thomas Jones demolished the league and our average qb in Sanchez brought us to the playoffs? The game is won in the trenches. Build up the damn o-line first draft an edge later use the cap space we'll have to rebuild the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 2 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said: Does the name Leonard Williams mean anything to you? That was pure luck he fell to him. All the rest, bad bad bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hael Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 This is a weird draft to be honest. It's more of a depth draft than a top heavy star studded affair. Lot of bust potential in the top ten, but there's probably quite a lot of picks that might turn out to be excellent through several rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin L Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 1 hour ago, SayNoToDMC said: Woody should just hand the keys to the franchise over to Mel Kiper while he's off in the UK. At least if we're going to suck anyway we can prove this guy doesn't know what the **** he's talking about "If Jimmy Clausen is not a successful NFL QB, I'm done. That's it. I'm out." -Mel Kiper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 1. trade down. 2. pick " Best Player Available ". cheers ~ ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcola Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 I'm thinking there are only 4 positions that warrant 1st round picks very high. QB, LT, Edge Rusher, and #1 shut down corner. And as fate would have it, these are four positions of biggest need right now. Our problem is that we draft run defenders, safeties, and cover LBers. We have neglected the OL, we draft projects that our coaches can't develop at QB and pass rushers, our secondary is old and has communication issues. We don't pick this high very often. If we don't solidify one of these four needs, it will be a wasted pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR24 Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Ignore qb im fine with, but defense eh we need to build up this oline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 We have so many holes on both sides of the ball...it really doesn't matter if it's defense or offense that's the pick. Just start plugging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Unless they absolutely think either Hackenberg or Petty aren't starting material or they think neither one of them can develop into one; I don't think they take a QB in round 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 3 hours ago, JiF said: Sound logic really. And Foster is literally a monster. He could be that edge rusher we've never had. I know it's the last thing Jets fans want to hear but he's right. The prospects at WR (which we really don't need), OL and QB aren't valued in the top 5. The only issue is, BigMac has shown that he has zero clue how to draft based on value. So I'm sure he'll reach, again. I want the best player possible. We suck across the board, except Leonard Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 2 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said: Does the name Leonard Williams mean anything to you? lol, I wish you meant to be trolling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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