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Per Manish, but worth a thread on Hackenberg's future

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Oh I know he's right. I was around here last year.  I know who wanted Dak, Hack, etc. All of em.  Sh*t, I was all for Prescott until he decided to get a DUI before the draft.  I completely discredited him after that and I would have passed on him on draft day.  No one knew he was going to be this special.  Not. A. Soul.  Even the Cowboys, who tried to trade up for Lynch and wanted Cook over Dak.  
I followed Hack since his days in the Elite 11 in High School when he was the number 1 QB recruit.  I'm admittedly biased on him.  I think he has the football brain and IQ to be special if he can fix the mechanical errors that were drilled into him with every sack and every snap in Franklin's booty a** gimmick offense.  I know I'm in the minority when I say that I believe he can be the guy that ends our search.  I know that the odds are against me and my opinion.  I'll stick by it though because changing my mind is a b*tch move.  An easy cop-out so I can say I bat 1.000 when evaluating prospects in my spare time.  Just like making up stories with anonymous sources, or making a statement anonymously for that matter.  I love this sport and the fun of doing this whole draft evaluation thing too much to do something like that.  I believe in Hack and will support him not just because I've liked him as prospect for a long time, but because I root for the laundry, not the player.  It's a damn shame that there are so many "fans" that would prefer to see him fail so they could say "I told you so" instead of being proven wrong and us finally having a franchise QB.  The pick was made.  It's over.  Why not just root for the kid?  Hell, the same dunce that started this thread wanted us to cut Hackenberg last year....our 2nd round rookie...because he was inaccurate in minicamp.  It's that rudiculous and it's not a coincidence that he started this thread.  He one of the "told you so" guys.  
I've HATED picks in the past (Wilson, Pryor, Amaro, and many more) but I've never rooted against their success.  In every case, I hope the guys I dislike prove me wrong.



I'm with you. Most of the 12 or more SOJFs in the Burning Down the House club are

1. Love their misery and pain far more than the Jets

2. Are prisoners and parrots of the local print media and sports talk haters

3. Never saw Hack play a minute at PSU


Loyal Jet fans like you and SAR I and CMart and others have to continue the fight and not be driven away from here for good by these SOJFs

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4 hours ago, Mogglez said:

You're gonna find yourself asking this question a lot without getting one goddamn answer other than a casual fan telling you "I alwayz wanted Dakky Dak Prezzzzzcott"

Many on these boards  are 100% on their draft selections - in hindsight that is. You always hear we should have taken this guy or that guy who was never mentioned prior to the draft. 

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On 2017-01-06 at 1:00 AM, UnknownJetFan said:

All we hear about is Prescott in the 4th round in which he was passed over how many times multiple times by every team. Sure he looks real good, but all is being made to look good behind the best Oline in football and with the best back in Elliot. We also don't know if Prescott will maintain this level of play for the foreseeable future. He certainly has been exploited by the Giants. If teams start using that blueprint he may get figured out sooner rather than later.

SO true......everyone thought Kaepernick was going to stay as good as Russell.  How did that turned out for San Fran?

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2 hours ago, Mogglez said:

Oh I know he's right.  I was around here last year.  I know who wanted Dak, Hack, etc.  All of em.  Sh*t, I was all for Prescott until he decided to get a DUI before the draft.  I completely discredited him after that and I would have passed on him on draft day.  No one knew he was going to be this special.  Not.  A.  Soul.  Even the Cowboys, who tried to trade up for Lynch and wanted Cook over Dak.  

I've followed Hack since his days in the Elite 11 in High School when he was the number 1 QB recruit.  I'm admittedly biased on him.  I think he has the football brain and IQ to be special if he can fix the mechanical errors that were drilled into him with every sack and every snap in Franklin's booty a** gimmick offense.  I know I'm in the minority when I say that I believe he can be the guy that ends our search.  I know that the odds are against me and my opinion.  I'll stick by it though because changing my mind is a b*tch move.  An easy cop-out so I can say I bat 1.000 when evaluating prospects in my spare time.  Just like making up stories with anonymous sources, or making a statement anonymously for that matter.  I love this sport and the fun of doing this whole draft evaluation thing too much to do something like that.  I disagree with a lot of people here when it comes to the GM, coaches, prospects, draft picks, etc., but I always respect a person who sticks by their opinion, no matter how much I disagree with it or how against the grain it goes....at least to degree lol.

I believe in Hack and will support him...not just because I've liked him as prospect for a long time, but because I root for the laundry...not the player.  It's a damn shame that there are so many "fans" that would prefer to see him fail so they could say "I told you so" instead of being proven wrong and us finally having a franchise QB.  The pick was made.  It's over.  Why not just root for the kid?  Hell, the same dunce that started this thread wanted us to cut Hackenberg last year...our 2nd round rookie...because he was inaccurate in minicamp.  It's that rudiculous and it's not a coincidence that he started this thread.  Another case of one of the "told you so" guys running around looking for a way to say, "Well I NEVER wanted ______.  I knew he'd suck." 

I just dont get it.  I've HATED picks in the past (Wilson, Pryor, Amaro, and many more) but I've never rooted against their success.  In every case, I hope the guys I dislike prove me wrong.

Great post.

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8 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

So when the Bengals drafted Palmer first overall and didnt play him all season was it because they didnt believe in him, thought he was putrid?  Were they trying to hide their mistake? A terrible mistake?  How could the Bengals draft a QB 1st overall and get nothing out of him?  What a mistake

 

Enjoy the green Kool-Aid

 

Palmer had a great college career.  Hackenberg sucked in college he had one good year with Allen Robinson and then got exposed by teams like UMASS and Rutgers.  If he's not good enough to beat out worthless scrubs like Fitzgarbage and Bryce Putrid he is horrible.

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10 minutes ago, thadude said:

Enjoy the green Kool-Aid

 

Palmer had a great college career.  Hackenberg sucked in college he had one good year with Allen Robinson and then got exposed by teams like UMASS and Rutgers.  If he's not good enough to beat out worthless scrubs like Fitzgarbage and Bryce Putrid he is horrible.

Your oversimplified evaluation does not tell the full story. 

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6 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Your oversimplified evaluation does not tell the full story. 

Ok, then watch him play:

 

And I'm not a fan of Colin Cowherd but he was absolutely right about Hack here at 2:20:

 

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2 minutes ago, thadude said:

Ok, then watch him play:

 

And I'm not a fan of Colin Cowherd but he was absolutely right about Hack here:

 

Trust me, I watched his every snap. And your little snippets of comments and video, do not detail the truth. That is all.

None of that makes him a sure shot starter, nor a scrub as you suggest. Again, your oversimplification of the subject is short sighted.

 

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1 minute ago, Scott Dierking said:

Trust me, I watched his every snap. And your little snippets of comments and video, do not detail the truth. That is all.

None of that makes him a sure shot starter, nor a scrub as you suggest. Again, your oversimplification of the subject is short sighted.

 

Well if you've "watched his every snap" you should have a more accurate opinion about Hackenberg which is that he's not a good quarterback, at all.

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23 minutes ago, thadude said:

Well if you've "watched his every snap" you should have a more accurate opinion about Hackenberg which is that he's not a good quarterback, at all.

 I don't have a ring on my finger as a SB staff evaluator. I am pretty sure that you don't either. So, as you point out, the best we can offer is opinions. As uneducated as they are. That is why I do not make my opinion as being an absolute, as you do here.

I will offer that I have seen Hackenberg more than you have and followed him more closely. I can give actual accounts, rather than what you have done here spouting "Allen Robinson" or showing youtube clips from Collin Cowherd and some short pre-season action.

Again, all of that does not mean Hack can succeed at this level. But it does seem more than just the "the guy won't make it" support you seem to spout.

 

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Dadope

His proof!!!

Crap from the all important preseason game FOUR with no game plan or players

And

Colin Cowturd

Whose first two CANT MISS future supah stah stud QBs in the draft are Lynch and Goff! (Didn't watch the clueless loudmouth dimwit long enough to hear #3)

Very convincing


I'm certain your fellow Jet hating, misery loving members of the SOJF12 club are convinced

Meanwhile loyal Jet fans are looking forward to Petty and Hack and whoever competing for the 2017 job

Those of us who watched Hack play at PSU before Franklin fouled things up are willing to trust their eyes against those of Cowturd

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Dadope

His proof!!!

Crap from the all important preseason game FOUR with no game plan or players

And

Colin Cowturd

Whose first two CANT MISS future supah stah stud QBs in the draft are Lynch and Goff! (Didn't watch the clueless loudmouth dimwit long enough to hear #3)

Very convincing


I'm certain your fellow Jet hating, misery loving members of the SOJF12 club are convinced

Meanwhile loyal Jet fans are looking forward to Petty and Hack and whoever competing for the 2017 job

Those of us who watched Hack play at PSU before Franklin fouled things up are willing to trust their eyes against those of Cowturd

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Hey it's great that we have so many Hackenburg supporters on here who think he is going to develop into a quality starter.  I have no issue with that even if I totally disagree with that assessment. 

The thing I cannot understand at all though is people who are supporters of Hackenburg and are also happy with how the Jets have handled him.  That baffles me totally because if I was a Hack supporter I would be enraged at the Jets and their coaching staff.

People keep tossing out the 'red shirt year' comment and it reminds me of that Seinfeld episode 'It's a write off Jerry, they just write it off.  All these big companies just write it off."

Pretty well everything we have seen indicates that the Jets have not spent the last year red shirting and working with their prospect QB to get better, they have been red shirting him and pushing him onto the corner to be ignored while more important stuff is on their plate.

Does not get 2nd team reps, does not get 3rd team reps, gets 4th team reps and that means standing around a lot.  The head coach and QB coach both say they are NOT going to touch his mechanics this year when by most people reports that is what has to be worked on.

We find out the the OC already told the org he was retiring this year so the incentive to actually work with a development Qb that needs a lot of work and ALSO work with the 3 guys in front of him is low, even for the QB coach who may feel the QBs performance is tied to him being here this year.

Then we have the actual thought that just telling a guy he is not playing will not give a rational fellow cause to think they don;t trust him at all.  Last game of the season, team winning, nothing game and even then they won;t put him in to mop up while every other qb in the league is at least getting a taste of play.

On top of that we now have these 'sources' blasting him and even though he says it does not concern him it can't be a good thing.

Be a supporter of Hackenburg?  Fine

Be a supporter of Hackenburg and how the jets have 'developed' him this year?  Baffling.

 

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Hey it's great that we have so many Hackenburg supporters on here who think he is going to develop into a quality starter.  I have no issue with that even if I totally disagree with that assessment. 
The thing I cannot understand at all though is people who are supporters of Hackenburg and are also happy with how the Jets have handled him.  That baffles me totally because if I was a Hack supporter I would be enraged at the Jets and their coaching staff.
People keep tossing out the 'red shirt year' comment and it reminds me of that Seinfeld episode 'It's a write off Jerry, they just write it off.  All these big companies just write it off."
Pretty well everything we have seen indicates that the Jets have not spent the last year red shirting and working with their prospect QB to get better, they have been red shirting him and pushing him onto the corner to be ignored while more important stuff is on their plate.
Does not get 2nd team reps, does not get 3rd team reps, gets 4th team reps and that means standing around a lot.  The head coach and QB coach both say they are NOT going to touch his mechanics this year when by most people reports that is what has to be worked on.
We find out the the OC already told the org he was retiring this year so the incentive to actually work with a development Qb that needs a lot of work and ALSO work with the 3 guys in front of him is low, even for the QB coach who may feel the QBs performance is tied to him being here this year.
Then we have the actual thought that just telling a guy he is not playing will not give a rational fellow cause to think they don;t trust him at all.  Last game of the season, team winning, nothing game and even then they won;t put him in to mop up while every other qb in the league is at least getting a taste of play.
On top of that we now have these 'sources' blasting him and even though he says it does not concern him it can't be a good thing.
Be a supporter of Hackenburg?  Fine
Be a supporter of Hackenburg and how the jets have 'developed' him this year?  Baffling.
 


Not baffling to folks who saw Palmer, Rodgers, Brady etc handled exactly the same way in their rookie seasons

Impatiently throwing a rookie QB in as starter has worked very well for Sanchez, Geno and others

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5 minutes ago, JetFanWithNOPSL2017 said:

 


Not baffling to folks who saw Palmer, Rodgers, Brady etc handled exactly the same way in their rookie seasons

Impatiently throwing a rookie QB in as starter has worked very well for Sanchez, Geno and others

They weren't though, not at all.  Not playing <> being developed.  Not sure why this is such a foreign concept. 

We don't play our QB, the packers never played rogers thus we must be doing it right misses the mark totally.  You and some others just keep repeating the same mantra without addressing some of the points I listed.

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2 hours ago, Beerfish said:

They weren't though, not at all.  Not playing <> being developed.  Not sure why this is such a foreign concept. 

We don't play our QB, the packers never played rogers thus we must be doing it right misses the mark totally.  You and some others just keep repeating the same mantra without addressing some of the points I listed.

Now that they've fired/retired Gailey what difference does it really make. He'll be starting all over in a new offense in 2017. He could have spent the 2016 season learning the playbook and breaking down film which would basically be wasted effort. Everyone on offense starts all over again next season.

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9 hours ago, thadude said:

Enjoy the green Kool-Aid

 

Palmer had a great college career.  Hackenberg sucked in college he had one good year with Allen Robinson and then got exposed by teams like UMASS and Rutgers.  If he's not good enough to beat out worthless scrubs like Fitzgarbage and Bryce Putrid he is horrible.

So let's get this straight, the logic changes to fit your argument.  You decided that Hack not playing means he sucks and Palmer sitting is different.  And of course there's the crediting any success to a WR.

 

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