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Draft Deshaun Watson

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He will be gone before we pick. This is a QB driven league and a team in the top 5 will take him. It depends on free agency, but somebody will take him high. I don't trust one year wonders like the rest of the top projected QB's. I prefer a tall pocket passer but I wouldn't be upset if we took him.  

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2 minutes ago, KRL said:

Definitely intriguing, but with Watson like so many other college QB's it's not about
the stats.  He's playing in a "gimmick" college offense, so you don't know a lot about
him:

- Can he take a snap from under center?

- What's his footwork like on 3, 5 and 7 step drops?

- Can he call a play in the huddle?

- Does he read defenses or is he looking for his first read and that's it?

Watson has the same questions about him that Geno Smith & Bryce Petty had.  But I will
give him credit, in the last two championship games he's come up HUGE against a "pro"
defense.  I'm going to re-watch the game tonight to get more info about him
 

Excellent points. I think a lot would have to do with who the teams OC is also. He does goes through his progressions but at times he locks on to his first read. I think teams will be willing to work with him as he is a hard worker,  dosent get rattled easily by the spotlight and has comeback to win games. He appears to have a calm demeanor and not the deer in the headlights look. His turnovers are definitely a concern. 

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In a nutshell...

Pros:

-arm strength

-leadership

-mobility

-coachability

-experience

-movement in pocket

-excels in big games

Cons:

-drop back footwork?

-calling plays in huddle?

-6'2"

-can he read defenses?

-read options and spread concepts

 

This reminds me so much of Mariota regarding system, calling plays and footwork behind center. But with Watson I haven't watched a ton of his games so I don't know the answers at all.

Finally, What is his accuracy like? He placed a few really gorgeous balls yesterday and beat an insanely good defense.

If the draft was today and he's there at 6, I'm taking him. Thankfully there are months til the draft and I hope the jets do their homework so they can make an informed decision.

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lol I said this 2 months ago .. should be interesting too see where he lands after the tear down during the draft process 

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9 minutes ago, BrickTamland said:

In a nutshell...

Pros:

-arm strength

-leadership

-mobility

-coachability

-experience

-movement in pocket

-excels in big games

Cons:

-drop back footwork?

-calling plays in huddle?

-6'2"

-can he read defenses?

-read options and spread concepts

 

This reminds me so much of Mariota regarding system, calling plays and footwork behind center. But with Watson I haven't watched a ton of his games so I don't know the answers at all.

Finally, What is his accuracy like? He placed a few really gorgeous balls yesterday and beat an insanely good defense.

If the draft was today and he's there at 6, I'm taking him. Thankfully there are months til the draft and I hope the jets do their homework so they can make an informed decision.

Thing is these aren't cons, they're unknowns.  I agree, if he's there I'd take him.  His pros easily outweigh what he needs to prove at the next level 

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I can see the Browns taking  him at 1. They picked up RG3 in FA so I wouldn't be suprised if they take Watson, especially after the Wentz debacle. They should take MG.

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interesting that he struggled with accuracy during the season but comes up big both time against 'Bama.  I don't know what to make of that, but it certainly does help push him up into the conversation at #6.  What I don't know how to analyze though, is how would he have looked without Mike Williams, who is not a typical #1 college WR.  That guy might make a lot of QBs look really good.

And yes, it's hard to justify taking a QB when you have two young, untested QBs already on the roster, but as much as I like the potential Petty has flashed, I'm not letting a 4th round pick with flashes of potential stop me from spending a high-first round pick on a QB if I think he's got more chance to be 'the guy'.  I'd trade Petty or Hack for a 5th round pick in a heartbeat if I thought Watson, or either of the other two QB prospects, was the better roll of the dice.

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4 minutes ago, gEYno said:

Outside of the "can't miss" type QB prospects, isn't this the story of just about every off-season?

QB's rated highly early on... then they drop, then they rise again but are called reaches who are taken because everyone needs a QB, which is true.

I suppose.  Though some years like with Winston and Mariota, I remember people really wanting them as top tier talents.  

Doesn't seem that way this year and I have no clue since I don't watch college ball.

Adding yet another young QB with questions when we already have two doesn't seem to make much sense.  Only so many practice reps to go around.

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47 minutes ago, KRL said:

Definitely intriguing, but with Watson like so many other college QB's it's not about
the stats.  He's playing in a "gimmick" college offense, so you don't know a lot about
him:

- Can he take a snap from under center?

- What's his footwork like on 3, 5 and 7 step drops?

- Can he call a play in the huddle?

- Does he read defenses or is he looking for his first read and that's it?

Watson has the same questions about him that Geno Smith & Bryce Petty had.  But I will
give him credit, in the last two championship games he's come up HUGE against a "pro"
defense.  I'm going to re-watch the game tonight to get more info about him
 

I am not arguing for JETS to Draft Watson, but... All these concerns are the same that people had for Marcus Mariota (definitely not proven, but looked much better this season-with no, zero WR's)

 

Watson vs Alabama 2 championship games... I don't have time to list full stats - Alabama has more NFL caliber players than Clemson and is the closest thing to an NFL Defense you can get.

over 60% completions, 800+ yards, 7TD to 1 INT, 1 Rush TD

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31 minutes ago, KRL said:

It's not going to shock me if both Watson & Trubisky get "over valued" and they
end up being taken in the top 3.  The positive about that scenario is someone
should drop to us at #6 similar to Leonard Williams in 2015

Exactly. I am not in love with this QB class so if teams at the top want to take QBs and let some top 2 or 3 talent fall into our lap again. 

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49 minutes ago, KRL said:

 

Definitely intriguing, but with Watson like so many other college QB's it's not about
the stats.  He's playing in a "gimmick" college offense, so you don't know a lot about
him:

- Can he take a snap from under center?

- What's his footwork like on 3, 5 and 7 step drops?

- Can he call a play in the huddle?

- Does he read defenses or is he looking for his first read and that's it?

 

Isn't this true about just about all college programs and QBs these days? If a QB has the physical abilities and skills and a reasonable head on his shoulders the above issues should be readily teachable.  How invaluable is the experience of having been to two national championships and all the pressure that involves, both times hanging a load of points on the top defense in the NCAA.

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34 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

There is no more needed position on the Jets, other than QB. 

Unless we traded for Aaron Rodgers and nobody told me.

That stuck out for me as well. When did QB cease to become a need?

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Personally, I would much rather draft a QB who comes with three things:

1. Experience in a Pro-Style Pocket-Passer Offense that more easily translates to the NFL (i.e. no gimmick offenses, no run-first QB's) with an appropriate NFL-strength arm (doesn't need a cannon, does need an average-level NFL arm).

2. Has a proven resume of three-to-four years of success and production at the College level (i.e. shown over multiple years a 60%+ Comp rate and a 3-1 TD to INT rate minimum.)  No "workout hype warriors" with poor resumes, please.

3. Has exemplified maturity and responsibility and leadership in college.  No headcases.  No disciplinary cases.  No immaturity run rampant.

That's my preference.

With that said, I strongly prefer to DRAFT QB's rather than sign FA QB's.  I believe in building from the draft.  I believe in not overpaying for other teams castoffs, busts and second chancers.  I believe you build by drafting QB's, developing them, giving them a chance, and discarding them if they fail (Petty, we're almost looking at you on that fail part mate!).  

Drafted QB's are cheap, plentiful, and recyclable (i.e. you can cheaply acquire two a year every year if you like, giving you more chances to find someone special).

So, if there is a QB who meets my 3-item criteria above, draft them, as soon in the draft as is required to get them.  

Does Watson fulfill my critieria?  I don't watch or follow minor league football and only play catch up when the guides come out pre-Draft, so you'll have to tell me.

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3 minutes ago, 20andOut said:

Isn't this true about just about all college programs and QBs these days? If a QB has the physical abilities and skills and a reasonable head on his shoulders the above issues should be readily teachable.  How invaluable is the experience of having been to two national championships and all the pressure that involves, both times hanging a load of points on the top defense in the NCAA.

it's the whole vince young he's a winner thing all over again, although watson does not appear to have any of young's off the field issues.

he's kind of the opposite of hackenberg.  i don't know if they could develop these 2 qbs in the same system.

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1 minute ago, Warfish said:

Personally, I would much rather draft a QB who comes with three things:

1. Experience in a Pro-Style Pocket-Passer Offense that more easily translates to the NFL (i.e. no gimmick offenses, no run-first QB's).

2. Has a proven resume of three-to-four years of success and production at the College level (i.e. shown over multiple years a 60%+ Comp rate and a 3-1 TD to INT rate minimum.)

3. Has exemplified maturity and responsibility and leadership in college.  No headcases.  No disciplinary cases.  No immaturity run rampant.

That's my preference.

With that said, I strongly prefer to DRAFT QB's rather than sign FA QB's.  I believe in building from the draft.  I believe in not overpaying for other teams castoffs, busts and second chancers.  I believe you build by drafting QB's, developing them, giving them a chance, and discarding them if they fail (Petty, we're almost looking at you on that fail part mate!).  

Drafted QB's are cheap, plentiful, and recyclable (i.e. you can cheaply acquire two a year every year if you like, giving you more chances to find someone special).

So, if there is a QB who meets my 3-item criteria above, draft them, as soon in the draft as is required to get them.  

Does Watson fulfill my critieria?  I don't watch or follow minor league football and only play catch up when the guides come out pre-Draft, so you'll have to tell me.

We agree on attributes we look for, but the 1st on the list is pretty hard to find. I am not an expert on Watson but I believe he has the number 2 and 3 and criteria.

Someone with more information on Watson can speak up if I am wrong about 2 and 3

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3 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Personally, I would much rather draft a QB who comes with three things:

1. Experience in a Pro-Style Pocket-Passer Offense that more easily translates to the NFL (i.e. no gimmick offenses, no run-first QB's) with an appropriate NFL-strength arm (doesn't need a cannon, does need an average-level NFL arm).

2. Has a proven resume of three-to-four years of success and production at the College level (i.e. shown over multiple years a 60%+ Comp rate and a 3-1 TD to INT rate minimum.)  No "workout hype warriors" with poor resumes, please.

3. Has exemplified maturity and responsibility and leadership in college.  No headcases.  No disciplinary cases.  No immaturity run rampant.

That's my preference.

With that said, I strongly prefer to DRAFT QB's rather than sign FA QB's.  I believe in building from the draft.  I believe in not overpaying for other teams castoffs, busts and second chancers.  I believe you build by drafting QB's, developing them, giving them a chance, and discarding them if they fail (Petty, we're almost looking at you on that fail part mate!).  

Drafted QB's are cheap, plentiful, and recyclable (i.e. you can cheaply acquire two a year every year if you like, giving you more chances to find someone special).

So, if there is a QB who meets my 3-item criteria above, draft them, as soon in the draft as is required to get them.  

Does Watson fulfill my critieria?  I don't watch or follow minor league football and only play catch up when the guides come out pre-Draft, so you'll have to tell me.

 I agree but I'd be a little more flexible on point 3, but only because Marino still stings a bit.  And then there was Favre...Cam Newton....etc...

Maturity in college is a plus, but not an absolute qualifier of NFL success. 

 

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I think what impressed me was that he can take a hit. He has the arm to make all the throws and didn't give up. Went through his progressions nicely. 

 

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