TuscanyTile2 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 "We want Sapp!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Can I mock Mel Kiper for his hair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 7 hours ago, Beerfish said: Trade the pick and then point fingers? Not sure this team needs any more infighting than it already has. Sorry I'll pass. Personally, I'd prefer to have the Jets trade down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 4 hours ago, varjet said: I think if you were told that you could draft Ed Reed, Sean Taylor, Ray Lewis or Luke Kuechly at 6 and have their services for a rookie contract for 5 years, I think most of us would do that. FWIW, only 2 of those guys were picked that high (others mid 20s). The jury is still out on Darron Lee, but he was projected to be picked around where he was, and the jury is still out as to whether the picks after him (the WRs) turn out to be more valuable. Lee did appear to be a "need" pick pushed for by Bowles. Interestingly, when watching him play he did appear to be in the hip pocket of the TE/RBs he was covering, but he does not know how to cover yet-they would catch the ball anyway. This is different from Harris and Davis who would not even be close to the receiver. I'll say this about Darron Lee: there are some very good football people out there who say that Bowles has/had no idea how to use him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlagmanL11 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 You can get CB's in the 3rd rd and later. Take the best off player available. If you dont score you cant win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Our first pick better be offense. If we cant get Fournette who would fit in perfectly and take pressure off our young QBs, I'd probably take the best left tackle in Cam Robinson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Didn't know they moved the draft to January. Calm down, fellas. Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 3 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Can I mock Mel Kiper for his hair? Mel Kiper couldn't pick his nose if you spotted him two fingers. Of all the draft "gurus" this guy is an absolute hack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 14 hours ago, detectivekimble said: I'll say this about Darron Lee: there are some very good football people out there who say that Bowles has/had no idea how to use him. Common thing for Todd Bowles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 18 hours ago, Beerfish said: Eh? I disagree with this. Jordan Jenkins and Mauldin are both more 3-4 olbs. Lee is more a 3-4 ilb imo. The dline most likely yes but I think we have drafted 3-4 lbs. Lee is a mlb. He's Vilma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 17 hours ago, section314 said: What about JPP if Giants let him walk? Kinda like Snacks, in reverse. Sign JPP and draft Taco Charlton at 6. Switch to a 4-3 scheme which Bowles did last year anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, thadude said: Sign JPP and draft Taco Charlton at 6. Switch to a 4-3 scheme which Bowles did last year anyway Not a bad plan. I really think Taco is going to move up the board, but at #6? Might be a bit rich. I would love him at #39, but I agree with you, won't last that long. I want Mike Williams at #6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 10 minutes ago, thadude said: Lee is a mlb. He's Vilma No he's supposed to be Deione buchanon, a hybrid small fast guy that can play all over the place and cover TEs and RBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 6 minutes ago, section314 said: Not a bad plan. I really think Taco is going to move up the board, but at #6? Might be a bit rich. I would love him at #39, but I agree with you, won't last that long. I want Mike Williams at #6. I would love me some Mike Williams at 6 and JPP in FA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Just now, thadude said: I would love me some Mike Williams at 6 and JPP in FA Like Denzel said in American Gangster...."My Man." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 On 1/19/2017 at 10:19 AM, ScarletKnight89 said: It's hard to argue that we couldn't benefit from taking a CB. If we address the QB position in some other way, agreed. CB is a major, serious need at current. But if we are at #6, and a top-rated QB prospect is staring at us, and we haven't done anything at QB........it's going to engender second guessing and criticism, all the more if Hack goes into 2017 as completely inept and unable to contribute as he was in 2016. And if reinforces the "Same Old Jets, Always Draft Defense, Always Suck of Offense" personality this team has had for ages now. Not saying it's a wrong choice. Saying it doesn't come without drawbacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 18 hours ago, Beerfish said: Not many of the impact ones are available. The best ones from this coming year would probably be Chandler jones or nick perry Fair enough. I have been pushing for J.Collins (OLB-Browns) but odds are he get tagged. I guess I meant in general, next year maybe, O.Vernon was available last year (Giants signed him). There's always one or two elite Pass Rusher in FA that you have an opportunity to sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 NY media will have a field day if the Jets pass on a QB for a CB, even if it's the right move. Still think they should go FA on CBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 14 minutes ago, Warfish said: If we address the QB position in some other way, agreed. CB is a major, serious need at current. But if we are at #6, and a top-rated QB prospect is staring at us, and we haven't done anything at QB........it's going to engender second guessing and criticism, all the more if Hack goes into 2017 as completely inept and unable to contribute as he was in 2016. And if reinforces the "Same Old Jets, Always Draft Defense, Always Suck of Offense" personality this team has had for ages now. Not saying it's a wrong choice. Saying it doesn't come without drawbacks. You don;t just take a QB b/c he is a 'top rated QB prospect'. Not at #6 overall. Not in a 'weak' QB draft. You scout thoroughly and you take YOUR guy. Now, the two may overlap, i.e. YOUR guy may be that top QB prospect- in which case, I am 100% for drafting him, regardless of what plans the Jets have for Hack (and I am high on Hack, I think he will have a legit shot to start in 2017 and is more NFL ready that many think). But I doubt that is the way things will play out. Browns, SF and CHI could all take QBs. Unlikely, but its one of their needs. You pretty much have 3 top rated QB prospects (Watson, Trubinsky, Kizer, and to a lesser extent Mahomes). None are 'sure-fire' prospects. So odds are only one QB will go in the top 5- probably Trubinsky or Watson to SF. I just don't see a QB the Jets are enamored with being there at #6. I don't see it happening. I may be wrong. I think Fournette will be staring them in the face at 6 and they will have a tough choce bet. taking Fournette as a BPA pick, using him as a trade down chip, or addressing another position (CB, OT, Pass Rusher, S). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, SMC said: NY media will have a field day if the Jets pass on a QB for a CB, even if it's the right move. Still think they should go FA on CBs. You are probably right on the media, but I remember 2007, when they announced the Jets traded up with Carolina. Everyone was excited that we were gonna take Brady Quinn, but it turned out to be Revis. Turned out ok. Point is, sometimes scouts are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 5 minutes ago, SMC said: NY media will have a field day if the Jets pass on a QB for a CB, even if it's the right move. Still think they should go FA on CBs. IMO, if they're at all worried about perception, they should just take Cam Robinson or the other tackle and just tell the world they're emulating Dallas. That said, I don't think anyone in the building really understands public opinion so they'll draft a corner and make Revis a $12 million dollar free safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, SMC said: Still think they should go FA on CBs. I agree. But I also think they can do both. And I think the smartest move would be to trade down, adding a 2nd rounder and giving themselves a ton of options. I've been clamoring for a trade down with the Browns (12th pick overall) where they could still get a top OT like C.Robinson, a S like J.Adams, a WR like C.Davis, ILB like Cunningham, RB like Cook, Pass Rusher like Tim Williams, CB like S.Jones. *I have been looking closer at the CB prospect and I am very high on S.Jones. The awareness and ball skills are amazing. He sticks to WRs like glue. Doesn't have the size and strength of some of the other CB prospects, but he can still play on the outside at the NFL level. Dude is legit, he will probably not be the first CB off the board but could very well end up being the best CB in this draft. Elite man-cover skill set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 13 minutes ago, SMC said: NY media will have a field day if the Jets pass on a QB for a CB, even if it's the right move. Still think they should go FA on CBs. that is preferable, and it doesn't mean they can't take a cb in the 2nd or 3rd round. but it is time for the jets to draft premiere offensive talent in the first round. funny, how taking a cb or s or de in the first round (like kyle wilson or calvin pryor or quinton coples) is considered less risky than taking a qb or wr or rb. why can't the jets just take a guy like fournette and have him go beast mode on the afc east? why is there noone in this organization that is pounding the table for guys who can score touchdowns? isn't that the main objective of this sport, to score touchdowns? the teams that made the playoffs - they draft guys on offense in the first round. the giants have no issues taking guys on offense in the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, PepPep said: I agree. But I also think they can do both. And I think the smartest move would be to trade down, adding a 2nd rounder and giving themselves a ton of options. I've been clamoring for a trade down with the Browns (12th pick overall) where they could still get a top OT like C.Robinson, a S like J.Adams, a WR like C.Davis, ILB like Cunningham, RB like Cook, Pass Rusher like Tim Williams, CB like S.Jones. *I have been looking closer at the CB prospect and I am very high on S.Jones. The awareness and ball skills are amazing. He sticks to WRs like glue. Doesn't have the size and strength of some of the other CB prospects, but he can still play on the outside at the NFL level. Dude is legit, he will probably not be the first CB off the board but could very well end up being the best CB in this draft. Elite man-cover skill set. I'm all for trading down, but in the last 5-10 years or so, that just doesn't happen any more. Teams are more prone to hold onto their 1st rounders. The Jets will likely have to stay at 6. Pass rusher, QB, LT, WR are the only targets I prefer. Guys who put points on the board, stops the most important player on other team, and protects your own most important player. I'm against CB at 6 for a number of reasons. We saw with Revis even in his prime. He'll take away opps' No. 1 WR, but any decent QB will throw to everyone else. A pass rusher is a way more premium position, as is LT, QB and WR. Plus, a CB will take time to develop. LT and WR have more immediate impact. And if you're going to wait on someone, might as well wait on a QB. There is a greater return in doing so than a top CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, SMC said: I'm all for trading down, but in the last 5-10 years or so, that just doesn't happen any more. Teams are more prone to hold onto their 1st rounders. The Jets will likely have to stay at 6. Pass rusher, QB, LT, WR are the only targets I prefer. Guys who put points on the board, stops the most important player on other team, and protects your own most important player. I'm against CB at 6 for a number of reasons. We saw with Revis even in his prime. He'll take away opps' No. 1 WR, but any decent QB will throw to everyone else. A pass rusher is a way more premium position, as is LT, QB and WR. Plus, a CB will take time to develop. LT and WR have more immediate impact. And if you're going to wait on someone, might as well wait on a QB. There is a greater return in doing so than a top CB. i also don't object to taking a rb, if they think he's that good. i am for taking anyone who helps the team move the ball and score. a tandem of fournette and powell would immediately open up the passing game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: i also don't object to taking a rb, if they think he's that good. i am for taking anyone who helps the team move the ball and score. a tandem of fournette and powell would immediately open up the passing game. I as well. Of course, if we're talking about an Ezekiel Eliot, but I don't know if there is anyone of that caliber in the top 10 at this time. That may change by draft time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 11 minutes ago, SMC said: I'm all for trading down, but in the last 5-10 years or so, that just doesn't happen any more. Teams are more prone to hold onto their 1st rounders. The Jets will likely have to stay at 6. Pass rusher, QB, LT, WR are the only targets I prefer. Guys who put points on the board, stops the most important player on other team, and protects your own most important player. I'm against CB at 6 for a number of reasons. We saw with Revis even in his prime. He'll take away opps' No. 1 WR, but any decent QB will throw to everyone else. A pass rusher is a way more premium position, as is LT, QB and WR. Plus, a CB will take time to develop. LT and WR have more immediate impact. And if you're going to wait on someone, might as well wait on a QB. There is a greater return in doing so than a top CB. I agree. Except for the trade down statement. Last year the Eagles traded up to the #2 pick. And it was for a QB. So what do you mean?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 6 minutes ago, SMC said: I as well. Of course, if we're talking about an Ezekiel Eliot, but I don't know if there is anyone of that caliber in the top 10 at this time. That may change by draft time. Fournette. I mean, he is a top tier elite RB talent if you have ever seen one, IMHO. Right up there with Elliott. Its easy to put Elliott on a pedestal now that he is tearing it up behind that Cowboys O-line. And he played for a Championship Buckeyes team. But Fournette is just as good, if not just as good and more talented. Again, JMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 43 minutes ago, SMC said: NY media will have a field day if the Jets pass on a QB for a CB, even if it's the right move. Still think they should go FA on CBs. The last time Macc went all FAs on CB the Jets ended up with Revis, Cromartie, and Skrine. Let's not repeat that, shall we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, PepPep said: I agree. Except for the trade down statement. Last year the Eagles traded up to the #2 pick. And it was for a QB. So what do you mean?? Yeah, I meant if there's no QB there. We haven't seen a trade down at the top of the draft when no QB is involved, in a long time, right? What Parcells did in 1997 doesn't really happen today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: The last time Macc went all FAs on CB the Jets ended up with Revis, Cromartie, and Skrine. Let's not repeat that, shall we? The team was 10-6 though, right? So it worked for at least 1 year. But, yeah, Macc has to make the right decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 5 minutes ago, PepPep said: Fournette. I mean, he is a top tier elite RB talent if you have ever seen one, IMHO. Right up there with Elliott. Its easy to put Elliott on a pedestal now that he is tearing it up behind that Cowboys O-line. And he played for a Championship Buckeyes team. But Fournette is just as good, if not just as good and more talented. Again, JMHO. You maybe right about Fournette and Kiper has him going to the Panthers. Not a reach by any means, but if, by craziness both Williams and Fournette are there at 6. Who are you taking? I say Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 55 minutes ago, PepPep said: I am high on Hack, I think he will have a legit shot to start in 2017 and is more NFL ready that many think. It's fine to be optimistic, but there is absolutely no verifiable evidence to support this as yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Wtf is a corner gonna do for this team? I would only take a pass rusher or Jamal Adams on defense. Other then that, it should be all offense. I don't care what position. Can we stop avoiding building on that side? If you they believe in Hack or whoever they plan on starting. Surround him with all the talent you can otherwise this team is going no where. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 7 minutes ago, MDL_JET said: Wtf is a corner gonna do for this team? I would only take a pass rusher or Jamal Adams on defense. Other then that, it should be all offense. I don't care what position. Can we stop avoiding building on that side? If you they believe in Hack or whoever they plan on starting. Surround him with all the talent you can otherwise this team is going no where. it's just flat out puzzling how die hard jet fans who watch week after week this horrendous offense with mostly imported offensive personnel with retread rbs and no TEs, how these people would rather take a cornerback than a potentially game-changing wr or rb. fournette or cook would help the defense, guys like this move chains, keep the defense off the field and improve field position. when did this team become allergic to drafting offensive weapons? why are we relegated to praying guys like stephen hill, jace amaro and christian hackenberg and geno smith won't suck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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