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Evening all,
 
Behold my pre senior bowl Big Board (positions of need only) in all it's glory. It's the culmination of about 2 weeks worth of watching broadcast tape so it's not perfect. I acknowledge that we could also use an RB (LF7 is my preferred #1 overall pick) TE and most other positions including coaching staff but I've limited my selection to our major needs. What I'd love to see in response is some constructive criticism, advice on different tape to watch and your own top 5's. I'm assuming/hoping I'm not the only one here spending their Friday nights building pre everything big boards and drinking alone. So, without any further ado:
 

QB:

 
Deshone Kizer, Notre Dame
Mitch Trubisky, North Carolina
Deshaun Watson, Clemson
Pat Mahomes, Texas Tech
Brad Kaaya, Miami
 
Overall I don't believe there is a top 10 prospect in this bunch. Kizer tops what is a very tight 1,2,3. Kaaya bookends the group and is probably a day 3 pick. I personally hope we skip on QB this year and slum it with the two kids we already have and an additional vet.
 
T:
 
Garett Bolles, Utah
Ryan Ramczyk, Wisconsin
Cam Robinson, Alabama
Antonio Garcia, Troy
Erik Magnuson, Michigan
 
I'd be delighted to see us trade back and take Bolles in the late teens to mid twenties. I've watched 5 games of tape and seen him give up 1 QB hurry. 1. He's far more athletic than Ramczyk and shows great technique and composure in pass blocking. His run blocking could use some work but thats not why I'm drafting an LT. I like Ramczyk enough but not enough to take him in the 1st round ahead of a lot of other players. I don't rate Cam Robinson at all. Garcia and Magnuson highlight the lack of depth at the tackle position here by making my top 5. Garcia will make a quality G and Magnuson plays RT. See Magnuson do a great job eliminating Dawuane Smoot to see why I have him here.
 
Pass Rush:
 
Myles Garrett, Texas A&M
Derek Barnett, Tennessee
Charles Harris, Missouri
Taco Charlton, Michigan
Tim Williams, Alabama
 
Garrett deserves the hype he gets. I have a nervous feeling about his bust potential though, probably just a gut thing. I love Derek Barnett and not in a fraternal way. Watching him explode off the ball gives me shivers. I've got a lot of time for Charles Harris. He's got great technique, a big motor and real ferocity. Taco Charlton made Ryan Ramczyk look foolish when they met. Tim Williams is only a passing down specialist unlike the rest and is my pick for the biggest bust of this years draft.
 
 
OLB 3 down:
 
Ryan Anderson, Alabama
TJ Watt, Wisconsin
Takkarist McKinley, UCLA
Zach Cunningham, Vanderbilt
Josh Caraway, TCU
 
The reason I have this position down as a need is Lorenzo Mauldin's massive drop off as a full time OLB. I say let him live for 3rd and long until he can prove otherwise. I have Anderson above Watt here for the sole reason that A comes before W in the alphabet. Both players are incredibly disruptive,big play, high motor guys with a nose for the ball. Above all else in this years draft I really wish one of these two fall to us in the 2nd. They're both great team players with top end football intelligence. I like Takk McKinley but he's very raw (plays DE but projects as OLB). He won't be available in the 3rd which is were I'd take him. Zach Cunningham I think will struggle with the switch to NFL in terms of the quality of his opponents and Josh Carraway is here pretty much just to make up the numbers.
 
CB:
 
Quincy Wilson, Florida
Tradavious White, LSU
Marston Lattimore, Ohio
Sidney Jones, Washington
Teez Tabor, Florida
 
The CB class this year is ridiculous! There is barely any clear definition in talent between these top 5 and there are AT LEAST 3 other names I could have included. For this reason I think it would be insane to take a CB in the first round unless we traded waaay back.  
 
S:
 
Malik Hooker, Ohio
Jabrill Peppers, Michigan
Jamal Adams, LSU
Budda Baker, Washington
Marcus Maye, Florida
 
Malik Hooker is the real deal and is one of only a few players I would rather take at 6 than trade back. The reason I've got Adams behind Peppers here is because another box safety is not a real need for us. Let's give Pryor some more time and hope Bowles plays him in the right position. I like Baker a lot, he's a firecracker, but again can only see a need for that type of player if we trade Pryor (which I don't think we should). Marcus Maye would be a decent pickup in the later rounds but I'm not sure about his range. The combine will tell.
 
 
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I am pretty sure Cunningham is projected as an ILB which is what he played at Vandy unless I am mistaken. He would be a good 4-3 anchor or a great combo in the middle in a 3-4 defense.

I admit I am not super familiar with the Jets' roster, but I think Jamal Adams is the most well rounded safety in the draft above any other prospect. But, as you say, if you don't quite need an in-the-box player than I think Hooker is a great ball hawk deep safety with good range so I can surely see why he's rated higher in your order.

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Also Garrett is never still around for pick 6 unless he seriously blows in the Combine. He's sort of Clowney esque potential wise in that I think he relies more on raw talent than actual skill, so I believe he'll need a couple of years with good coaching before he reaches his true potential. Definitely a high ceiling though.

But if edge rushers are a need, Barnett would still likely be on the board by the time the Jets pick unless a team like the Bears picks him up first.

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6 hours ago, Andrej The Giant said:

Also Garrett is never still around for pick 6 unless he seriously blows in the Combine. He's sort of Clowney esque potential wise in that I think he relies more on raw talent than actual skill, so I believe he'll need a couple of years with good coaching before he reaches his true potential. Definitely a high ceiling though.

But if edge rushers are a need, Barnett would still likely be on the board by the time the Jets pick unless a team like the Bears picks him up first.

This is a rankings list rather than a "who should we pick" list. I'm 100% sure Garrett will be gone. I struggled finding depth at OLB and some scouts have Cunningham at this position so thats why I have him here.

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2 minutes ago, Andrej The Giant said:

Having watched Watt a few times this past season, I think he'd make a good rotational player to add depth at OLB but he's a reach at #6.

One of my favourite players this year. Again I'm not suggesting we take everyone on the list at 6.

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3 minutes ago, Lray said:

One of my favourite players this year. Again I'm not suggesting we take everyone on the list at 6.

I'm tracking. Just theorizing at the team needs and the best value they'd get with their draft position.

If Barnett is on the board, I could see that. Or one of the many DBs you named since the class is so deep. I don't think any of the QBs, OLs or OLBs are worth picking so high.

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My favorite CB is Sidney Jones- Washington. I've been posting a lot about him recently. 

He may not have the highest ceiling of the bunch. But he is a legit outside CB, he has uncanny man-cover skills and ability to stick to his WR, he has great awareness and play-making ability, great hands, great technique and just overall is the most polished CB with the least weaknesses of all these guys. You can argue he's not the fasted, biggest, strongest or most athletic CB in the draft but his skills are crazy good. He is a day one starter and I predict him to end up being the best CB coming out of this draft, even though he will not be the first CB to come off the board.   

  

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A few quick things that came to mind while reading this:

 

First, Magnuson should not be even close to this list. I'm a huge UofM fan, watch every single game, and he was at best our 3rd best OL. Go watch his play from the East West game this past weekend, he looked completely overmatched on almost every play...and that was against mid-round and late round prospects, some even likely to not be drafted. He's not good. Not even close. 

Second,  Cunningham will more than likely play ILB, as that is his best position. If he's available for us in the 2nd round, I legit wouldn't have a problem (as of right now, have more research to do) with us taking him. Also, TJ Watt shouldn't even be in 1st round consideration, IMO. If he wasn't related to JJ, nobody would even be talking about him for the first round. He's talented enough to intrigue me for a day 2 pick...but that's the max I'd be willing to use on him, even if we traded back to pick 25ish in the first round. 

Next, Malik Hooker will be a play maker...but he'll also gamble a lot and give up his fair share of big plays. Adams is the best all around safety in the class. Peppers (again, coming from a Michigan fan) is overrated. He's hyped up solely based on athleticism, but the big plays on the defensive side of the field simply never materialized. He's got so much to learn, and I feel like he will be an injury liability as well. I wouldn't draft any of the safeties at number 6 overall, but I don't get to make those decisions. 

Finally, Ryan Anderson and Reuben Foster will be the best pro's from this Alabama draft class. Allen will be solid, Williams and Humphrey I'm not sold on, and Robinson I'm back and forth on. Part of me says he'll bust and he's only as high as he is because of a weak OT class and the fact he's from Bama...but another part of me says that he'll be a solid RT due to the amount of talent he played against on a weekly basis throughout his collegiate career that has properly prepared him for the next level...

 

Either way, good job on your list, there's a lot of good stuff in there. And since I spend a lot of time on this stuff, I understand the amount of time it took for you to get all this put together, so thanks for your post!

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 2 hours ago

, clearly looking to rebuild the depth chart, interviewing big workhorse RB Jamaal Williams (6'2" 220lb)

 

 2 hours ago

, , , burning it up today in Mobile- largest volume of prospect interviews right off the bat

 

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9 hours ago, jwill182 said:

A few quick things that came to mind while reading this:

 

First, Magnuson should not be even close to this list. I'm a huge UofM fan, watch every single game, and he was at best our 3rd best OL. Go watch his play from the East West game this past weekend, he looked completely overmatched on almost every play...and that was against mid-round and late round prospects, some even likely to not be drafted. He's not good. Not even close. 

Second,  Cunningham will more than likely play ILB, as that is his best position. If he's available for us in the 2nd round, I legit wouldn't have a problem (as of right now, have more research to do) with us taking him. Also, TJ Watt shouldn't even be in 1st round consideration, IMO. If he wasn't related to JJ, nobody would even be talking about him for the first round. He's talented enough to intrigue me for a day 2 pick...but that's the max I'd be willing to use on him, even if we traded back to pick 25ish in the first round. 

Next, Malik Hooker will be a play maker...but he'll also gamble a lot and give up his fair share of big plays. Adams is the best all around safety in the class. Peppers (again, coming from a Michigan fan) is overrated. He's hyped up solely based on athleticism, but the big plays on the defensive side of the field simply never materialized. He's got so much to learn, and I feel like he will be an injury liability as well. I wouldn't draft any of the safeties at number 6 overall, but I don't get to make those decisions. 

Finally, Ryan Anderson and Reuben Foster will be the best pro's from this Alabama draft class. Allen will be solid, Williams and Humphrey I'm not sold on, and Robinson I'm back and forth on. Part of me says he'll bust and he's only as high as he is because of a weak OT class and the fact he's from Bama...but another part of me says that he'll be a solid RT due to the amount of talent he played against on a weekly basis throughout his collegiate career that has properly prepared him for the next level...

 

Either way, good job on your list, there's a lot of good stuff in there. And since I spend a lot of time on this stuff, I understand the amount of time it took for you to get all this put together, so thanks for your post!

I've recently moved Banner from USC ahead of Magnuson. I'm also a Michigan fan so some bias might have me rating him this high. I wouldn't consider myself that adept at reading OL play but I like what I've seen. Bisnowaty isn't terrible either.

I love TJ's intangibles. I think he plays with fierce tenacity and great football instincts. It's these kinds of qualities that push him up the list for me. He's a different kind of player to JJ so I haven't found their relationship bothering me. All the same I've got himself and Anderson neck and neck. I think they're very similar players.

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32 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Re pass rushers, what is the deal with Soloman Thomas?  I've seen him rated super high on a few sites and in some mocks lately.

I think he's more of an interior rusher, certainly in bodytype, as opposed to the others who are more edge guys.

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2 hours ago, Beerfish said:

Re pass rushers, what is the deal with Soloman Thomas?  I've seen him rated super high on a few sites and in some mocks lately.

 

1 hour ago, Lray said:

I think he's more of an interior rusher, certainly in bodytype, as opposed to the others who are more edge guys.

I've seen a few places call him a "tweener", which always scares me.

He's a bit big for the outside edge, but a little bit small for the inside...

I guess someone could draft him and assign him a position and let him gain or lose weight accordingly... He does have a really good skill set and football mind by all accounts... Maybe he just needs someone to give him a position and let him be. 

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2 hours ago, Beerfish said:

Re pass rushers, what is the deal with Soloman Thomas?  I've seen him rated super high on a few sites and in some mocks lately.

NFL.com has him as their number one graded DL: 6.8 and their comparison is Justin Smith.  I've seen other sites compare him to Chris Long and even Calvin Pace.  He is a big, athletic, smart, high-character player that should test well for his size at the combine.  Not sure if he can cover so the move to OLB might be difficult.  Might need to stay as an undersized DE or DT.

His rise is due to a couple of very impressive plays he made during the Sun Bowl game against UNC.  Especially the last play that prevented Trubisky anytime to even look for a receiver.

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http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2017/01/live_updates_from_the_2017_ree.html

9:57 a.m. -- Colorado QB Sefo Liufau is rock-solid at 6-3 3/8, 240. Also has massive 10 7/8-inch hands, easily the biggest of any QB here.

9:40 a.m. -- Another impressive specimen for the North team is Bucknell offensive tackle Julien Davenport. He's 6-6 3/4, 310, with 36-inch arms and an 87 1/2-inch wingspan.

9:35 a.m. -- USC offensive tackle Zach Banner is massive at 6-8 3/8, 361. He also has 10 3/4-inch hands, 33 5/8-inch arms and 82 3/4-inch wingspan.

9:16 a.m. -- BYU's Jamaal Williams has great size for a running back at 6-0, 211.

UCLA offensive tackle Conor McDermott might be the tallest player here at 6-8 1/4. He's also 305 pounds.

Western Kentucky offensive lineman Forrest Lamp, one of the most talked-about players here this week is 6-3 3/4, 305. Has short arms (31 1/8), so he might play guard in the pros.

8:51 a.m. -- Alabama tight end O.J. Howard is 6-5 5/8, 249. The prototype, and looks slender enough he could probably even add weight in the NFL.

8:30 a.m. -- Players had their hands, arms and "wingspans" measured yesterday. Among the more impressive numbers: Toledo tight end Mike Roberts has the largest hands (11 5/8 inches) of any player here, while Bucknell offensive tackle Julien Davenport has both the longest arms (36 inches) and wingspan (87 1/2 inches).

Hand comparison for South tight ends: Alabama's O.J. Howard and Ole Miss' Evan Engram both have 10-inch hands, while South Alabama's Gerald Everett measures at just 8 1/4 inches. Everett does have slightly longer arms than Engram, however (32 7/8 to 32 1/4).

 

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There were reports that the New York Jets are all over North Carolina quarterback Mitch Trubisky. When I told this to Jets sources, they rolled their eyes and shook their head. They said that general manager Mike Maccagnan has them work more in depth on early entry players later in the process and not during the fall, so it is way too early to say that for almost any non-senior. 

These sources also said that quarterback Christian Hackenberg developed well behind the scenes as a rookie. Citing Jared Goff with the Rams as an example of a quarterback playing before he was prepared, the Jets didn't want to force Hackenberg on the field before he was ready and end up doing damage to him. This analyst wouldn't be surprised if the Jets went the veteran quarterback route to compete and see how their young quarterbacks improve in 2017. 

Sources were adamant that the Jets would also take the best player available in the first round. This is the M.O. for general manager Mike Maccagnan. In his first draft with the Jets, he took Leonard Williams despite being strong at his position. Darron Lee fit that trend as well, as many expected Lee to be gone by the time New York was on the clock. In his final draft with Houston as the director of college scouting in 2014, the Texans wisely passed on Blake Bortles and Johnny Manziel for Jadeveon Clowney. In the two drafts before that, the Texans landed DeAndre Hopkins and Whitney Mercilus late in the first round. Thus, Maccagnan's track record is clear, and the Jets are going to take the best player available with the sixth-overall pick in the 2017 NFL Draft.

Read more at http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2017rumors2.php#05s2KG7hvRqQXDpB.99

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There were reports that the New York Jets are all over North Carolina quarterback Mitch Trubisky. When I told this to Jets sources, they rolled their eyes and shook their head. They said that general manager Mike Maccagnan has them work more in depth on early entry players later in the process and not during the fall, so it is way too early to say that for almost any non-senior. 

These sources also said that quarterback Christian Hackenberg developed well behind the scenes as a rookie. Citing Jared Goff with the Rams as an example of a quarterback playing before he was prepared, the Jets didn't want to force Hackenberg on the field before he was ready and end up doing damage to him. This analyst wouldn't be surprised if the Jets went the veteran quarterback route to compete and see how their young quarterbacks improve in 2017. 

Sources were adamant that the Jets would also take the best player available in the first round. This is the M.O. for general manager Mike Maccagnan. In his first draft with the Jets, he took Leonard Williams despite being strong at his position. Darron Lee fit that trend as well, as many expected Lee to be gone by the time New York was on the clock. In his final draft with Houston as the director of college scouting in 2014, the Texans wisely passed on Blake Bortles and Johnny Manziel for Jadeveon Clowney. In the two drafts before that, the Texans landed DeAndre Hopkins and Whitney Mercilus late in the first round. Thus, Maccagnan's track record is clear, and the Jets are going to take the best player available with the sixth-overall pick in the 2017 NFL Draft.
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2017rumors2.php#05s2KG7hvRqQXDpB.99

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36 minutes ago, nyjbuddy said:

There were reports that the New York Jets are all over North Carolina quarterback Mitch Trubisky. When I told this to Jets sources, they rolled their eyes and shook their head. They said that general manager Mike Maccagnan has them work more in depth on early entry players later in the process and not during the fall, so it is way too early to say that for almost any non-senior. 

These sources also said that quarterback Christian Hackenberg developed well behind the scenes as a rookie. Citing Jared Goff with the Rams as an example of a quarterback playing before he was prepared, the Jets didn't want to force Hackenberg on the field before he was ready and end up doing damage to him. This analyst wouldn't be surprised if the Jets went the veteran quarterback route to compete and see how their young quarterbacks improve in 2017. 

Sources were adamant that the Jets would also take the best player available in the first round. This is the M.O. for general manager Mike Maccagnan. In his first draft with the Jets, he took Leonard Williams despite being strong at his position. Darron Lee fit that trend as well, as many expected Lee to be gone by the time New York was on the clock. In his final draft with Houston as the director of college scouting in 2014, the Texans wisely passed on Blake Bortles and Johnny Manziel for Jadeveon Clowney. In the two drafts before that, the Texans landed DeAndre Hopkins and Whitney Mercilus late in the first round. Thus, Maccagnan's track record is clear, and the Jets are going to take the best player available with the sixth-overall pick in the 2017 NFL Draft.

Read more at http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2017rumors2.php#05s2KG7hvRqQXDpB.99

very interesting.  and depressing, since this means they're taking lattimore in the first, another reach for an offensive player in the 2nd, and a safety in the 3rd. 

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59 minutes ago, nyjbuddy said:

There were reports that the New York Jets are all over North Carolina quarterback Mitch Trubisky. When I told this to Jets sources, they rolled their eyes and shook their head. They said that general manager Mike Maccagnan has them work more in depth on early entry players later in the process and not during the fall, so it is way too early to say that for almost any non-senior. 

These sources also said that quarterback Christian Hackenberg developed well behind the scenes as a rookie. Citing Jared Goff with the Rams as an example of a quarterback playing before he was prepared, the Jets didn't want to force Hackenberg on the field before he was ready and end up doing damage to him. This analyst wouldn't be surprised if the Jets went the veteran quarterback route to compete and see how their young quarterbacks improve in 2017. 

Sources were adamant that the Jets would also take the best player available in the first round. This is the M.O. for general manager Mike Maccagnan. In his first draft with the Jets, he took Leonard Williams despite being strong at his position. Darron Lee fit that trend as well, as many expected Lee to be gone by the time New York was on the clock. In his final draft with Houston as the director of college scouting in 2014, the Texans wisely passed on Blake Bortles and Johnny Manziel for Jadeveon Clowney. In the two drafts before that, the Texans landed DeAndre Hopkins and Whitney Mercilus late in the first round. Thus, Maccagnan's track record is clear, and the Jets are going to take the best player available with the sixth-overall pick in the 2017 NFL Draft.

Read more at http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2017rumors2.php#05s2KG7hvRqQXDpB.99

Hopefully we can rule out 1st round QB 

If Garrett gone I think it will boil down to tabor,  Williams,  cook, foster.  I don't think the Safeties or Fournette make the cut.

However I think the jets should be leaking they will take one of the QB

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48 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

very interesting.  and depressing, since this means they're taking lattimore in the first, another reach for an offensive player in the 2nd, and a safety in the 3rd. 

 

28 minutes ago, SickJetFan said:

Hopefully we can rule out 1st round QB 

If Garrett gone I think it will boil down to tabor,  Williams,  cook, foster.  I don't think the Safeties or Fournette make the cut.

However I think the jets should be leaking they will take one of the QB

Can't see them taking a CB in a class that will have 1st round talent still available in the 3rd. I'm pretty sure it'll be Hooker, Fournette or best case scenario a trade back. Things will become clearer after the combine.

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