kelly Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Todd Bowles poised to take Jets' offense in a new direction (again) 10:01 AM ET Rich CiminiESPN Staff Writer Facebook Twitter Facebook Messenger Pinterest Email print comment No matter whom Todd Bowles picks to become his new offensive coordinator -- whether it's George Godsey, John Morton or a mystery candidate -- the New York Jets will be starting over on offense in Year 3 of the current regime.So much for continuity. It'll be a new philosophy and a new playbook, Bowles' second chance to create an offensive identity. Godsey, who spent the past three seasons with the Houston Texans (the last two as coordinator), comes from a team that employs a Patriots-like system -- a "game-plan" offense, so to speak. It varies week to week, depending on personnel and matchups. The Patriots are the gold standard with this approach. Godsey, a former Patriots assistant, must have done something right in New England, because Tom Brady calls him "Goose" and considers him a "close" friend. Godsey is former college quarterback who has coached the position, and that's important to the Jets, who have a couple of young quarterbacks who need to be coached up. The negative: He was stripped of his playcalling duties after three games last season as the Texans collapsed on offense. They scored only 23 touchdowns, the lowest output for a playoff team in a non-strike season since the NFL expanded to 16 games in 1978. The Texans were doomed, in large part, by Brock Osweiler's ineptitude at quarterback, but Godsey was the scapegoat. His ouster was called a "mutual" parting of the ways. Wink, wink.Morton has worked under two bright offensive minds, Sean Payton and Jim Harbaugh. You have to think his offense would be a blend of Payton's sophisticated passing attack and Harbaugh's power-running game. He spent four years with Harbaugh and the 49ers when Colin Kaepernick was, you know, a good quarterback. The concern with Morton, currently the Saints' receivers coach, is that he's never worked directly with quarterbacks and he has no NFL experience as a coordinator. He was Pete Carroll's at USC in 2009, but the offense slipped and he was demoted the following season under Lane Kiffin.Bowles also interviewed Broncos running backs coach Eric Studesville, but he opted to stay in Denver. Bowles has discussed the opening with other candidates, but those names haven't surfaced. In the ideal scenario, the head coach would've promoted from within, allowing for a seamless transition. That's how the good teams do it, but the Jets didn't have a great plan to replace Chan Gailey.It's not as though Bowles was blindsided by Gailey's retirement. In a Jan. 3 statement, Gailey said he informed Bowles of his plans prior to the season. "Prior to" covers a lot of ground. On Tuesday, we found out how much ground, as Bowles told reporters at the Senior Bowl he received word last January. The specified timetable raises an important question : Why didn't Bowles have a succession plan in place? There was enough time to bring aboard an heir apparent and groom him for a year. That would've made for an easy passing of the baton for all involved, particularly young quarterbacks Christian Hackenberg and Bryce Petty. Just speculating here, but maybe Bowles didn't want to mess with the mojo after a successful offensive season in 2015. Maybe, if he did have his eye on someone outside the organization, he couldn't pry that person away from his team during the hiring cycle. Maybe he was hoping Kevin Patullo could ascend into the coordinator job. If that was the case, he miscalculated because he fired Gailey's handpicked quarterbacks coach as soon as the season ended. Or maybe Bowles just wanted to break away from the Gailey system, which showed its imperfections in 2016. Sure, it clicked the year before, helping to revive quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick's career, but it all fell apart. Now the Jets will move on from Fitzpatrick, and perhaps Bowles doesn't believe the system -- even if coached by someone other than Gailey -- is right for the Jets in the post-Fitz era. But this isn't just a Fitz thing. Remember, Bowles hired Gailey before Fitzpatrick came along, so he had nothing to do with Bowles' original conviction in Gailey. Bowles knew what he was getting in terms of the coach and his ideology. He wasn't just picking a coordinator -- he was setting an offensive course for his team. Now, two years later, he wants to change, a growth-stunting decision. Some might applaud Bowles for having the onions to change direction on the fly, especially as he prepares to enter a make-or-break season. Thing is, if he had set it up better two years ago, he wouldn't be in this situation. Did he really think a Gailey-to-Patullo transfer would work? Patullo had no experience as a primary position coach before joining the Jets. Enough history. What matters now is the replacement. Now it's up to Bowles, who probably is out of mulligans. > http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/66551/todd-bowles-poised-to-take-new-york-jets-offense-in-a-new-direction-again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASH1962 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 We have entered a really dark period in NYJ football history. This all sounds so bad, it reminds me of the ugly duckling kid who could never find a boy / girlfriend, and settled by marrying the first man / woman he or she was able to find, only to wind up miserable in the end. We are scraping at the bottom of the barrel and settling basically for anyone that will take the lame duck job. As everything has been since July concerning the NY Jets - Pathetic. Embarrassing. Nauseating and every other adjective that can be used to describe this mess. We all know how this is going to end next January. I do not see the point to this charade, I really don't. Our HC is inept and to allow him to hire anyone is ludicrous because there is no way he will be here next season. So I ask, WTF are we doing? Does anyone over there in Florham Park have a clue or give a damn about the team? Doesn't seem so, all that is important is Woody's Ambassadorship. I wish I could switch allegiances to another team, but unfortunately, that is not possible, you are born a fan of a team and can never change. My Father passed away in 1988, but if he were here now, I would kill him for raising me a Jet fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 The defense is a way bigger concern than the offense to me. The offense was expected to need a makeover due to lack of draft picks and cap space. The defense was supposed to carry the team and it was sheer and utter garbage last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASH1962 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Beerfish said: The defense is a way bigger concern than the offense to me. The offense was expected to need a makeover due to lack of draft picks and cap space. The defense was supposed to carry the team and it was sheer and utter garbage last year. No doubt ... The whole thing is a total wreck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, ASH1962 said: No doubt ... The whole thing is a total wreck 5 wins does not mean a total wreck to me. It's bad, but not catastrophic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 16 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: 5 wins does not mean a total wreck to me. It's bad, but not catastrophic. Two of those wins were over SF and Cleveland. Both finished at the bottom of the NFL. Furthermore, the Jets had to stage comebacks to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Just now, Jetdawgg said: Two of those wins were over SF and Cleveland. Both finished at the bottom of the NFL. Furthermore, the Jets had to stage comebacks to win. Hardly the signature of a team that quit on their coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASH1962 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, Jetdawgg said: Two of those wins were over SF and Cleveland. Both finished at the bottom of the NFL. Furthermore, the Jets had to stage comebacks to win. 5 wins is not a total wreck to him? LMAO. What a total loser. Don't waste your breath. That guy is the #1 Bubba Gump Bowltite fan and he actually thinks this was a good team last year. Been saying this forever, only losers accept losing period, as Bill Parcells always said, you are what you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 3 minutes ago, ASH1962 said: 5 wins is not a total wreck to him? LMAO. What a total loser. Don't waste your breath. That guy is the #1 Bubba Gump Bowltite fan and he actually thinks this was a good team last year. Been saying this forever, only losers accept losing period, as Bill Parcells always said, you are what you are. Where in that sentence did I say that I accept losing? Where in that sentence did I say they were a good team last year? Do you actually read anything I say? Then read this: THEY WERE BAD LAST YEAR. BUT, not to the degree that they are being portrayed. They are being portrayed as a 1-2 win team when they actually won 5 games. And believe it or not, they were a couple of special teams plays away from winning "gasp" 7 games! Which, believe it or not, was my prediction for them this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 46 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Hardly the signature of a team that quit on their coach. You are overlooking the FACT that these are the bottom feeders of the NFL. Staging comeback wins over them is pathetic. This team quit on Bowles after the KC game when he did nothing to protect his starting QB. The veterans saw this QB throw 6 picks. The HC then continued to parade him out the seriously injuring the morale of the team. these days are the Jets of the 70's revisited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 8 minutes ago, Jetdawgg said: You are overlooking the FACT that these are the bottom feeders of the NFL. Staging comeback wins over them is pathetic. This team quit on Bowles after the KC game when he did nothing to protect his starting QB. The veterans saw this QB throw 6 picks. The HC then continued to parade him out the seriously injuring the morale of the team. these days are the Jets of the 70's revisited. No. Losing to them is pathetic. If they lost to the both of them, then the Jets would have 3 wins and then you could make the argument of a total wreck. Need another losing season or 2 to compare them to the 70s Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Exactly what you want for a team with a pair of project QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 29 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: No. Losing to them is pathetic. If they lost to the both of them, then the Jets would have 3 wins and then you could make the argument of a total wreck. Need another losing season or 2 to compare them to the 70s Jets. 3 wins is only better than 5 wins when it comes to the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Just now, Jetdawgg said: 3 wins is only better than 5 wins when it comes to the draft. Yes. And...I'm sorry but I don't get what that has to do with what I said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 16 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Yes. And...I'm sorry but I don't get what that has to do with what I said The Jets are losers. Like it or not. It's the reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Just now, Jetdawgg said: The Jets are losers. Like it or not. It's the reality. I never said they weren't. What I'm saying is that they were just bad and most others are saying they were a nuclear disaster. So instead of being 500 ft below ground, I have them at 250 ft below ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 3 hours ago, Beerfish said: The defense is a way bigger concern than the offense to me. The offense was expected to need a makeover due to lack of draft picks and cap space. The defense was supposed to carry the team and it was sheer and utter garbage last year. Get ready for more of the same. #KaceyRogersDefensiveGuru. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 2 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said: Hardly the signature of a team that quit on their coach. Apparently you did not watch many games last year then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Just now, BurnleyJet said: Apparently you did not watch many game last year then. I can think of one instance in which they certainly quit. And that was against the Colts. The other 2 blowouts, I can put down to lack of talent and getting blown out in the second half of games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: I can think of one instance in which they certainly quit. And that was against the Colts. The other 2 blowouts, I can put down to lack of talent and getting blown out in the second half of games I give up seriously, the Jets flat out quit. show me videos of them playing hard, I did not see it. Like the walk in TD run, where the D-Line just stood up and let them walk in. Plus countless other pathetic efforts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 1 minute ago, BurnleyJet said: I give up seriously, the Jets flat out quit. show me videos of them playing hard, I did not see it. Like the walk in TD run, where the D-Line just stood up and let them walk in. Plus countless other pathetic efforts. Michael Kay said this about baseball. "When you're not playing well, it looks like that you are not giving effort or trying hard." I think the same thing can be said about football. Also I will say that for a team that quit on its coach, to go out in the last week of the season and thoroughly destroy the Buffalo Bills, another team which supposedly packed it in, is telling. If the Jets truly quit on their head coach, that game would have been much closer. I will also say that the teams that they "quit" against were teams that were better than them (Except for the Colts, which is why I singled that game out). Period. If they had lost to the Browns and Niners in the ways they played in the first half of both games, then a definite argument could be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 7 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said: I give up seriously, the Jets flat out quit. show me videos of them playing hard, I did not see it. Like the walk in TD run, where the D-Line just stood up and let them walk in. Plus countless other pathetic efforts. I know of three games in which they quit - Colts, Cardinals and 2nd Pats game. Those 3 games were pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 1 minute ago, peebag said: I know of three games in which they quit - Colts, Cardinals and 2nd Pats game. Those 3 games were pathetic. But then here is the question. If they quit in the 2nd Pats game, why didn't they quit in the first Pats game? I think that game was just the Jets being outmanned and outgunned. See, if a team quits, you should see it EVERY WEEK continuously. We didn't see that. You saw periods of supposed quitting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: But then here is the question. If they quit in the 2nd Pats game, why didn't they quit in the first Pats game? I think that game was just the Jets being outmanned and outgunned. See, if a team quits, you should see it EVERY WEEK continuously. We didn't see that. You saw periods of supposed quitting you can drink the Green Kookaid all you want - all I know is that the team quit on its coach. Never seen any coach ever come back from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Just now, peebag said: you can drink the Green Kookaid all you want - all I know is that the team quit on its coach. Never seen any coach ever come back from that. I think some players quit on the coach. I don't think that the whole team quit. It doesn't logically fit the results. Not a matter of koolaid, its a matter of logic based on the results of what happened. If they quit the second Dolphins game and the second Patriots game, why didn't they quit against the Bills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 1 hour ago, UnitedWhofans said: Michael Kay said this about baseball. "When you're not playing well, it looks like that you are not giving effort or trying hard." I think the same thing can be said about football. Also I will say that for a team that quit on its coach, to go out in the last week of the season and thoroughly destroy the Buffalo Bills, another team which supposedly packed it in, is telling. If the Jets truly quit on their head coach, that game would have been much closer. I will also say that the teams that they "quit" against were teams that were better than them (Except for the Colts, which is why I singled that game out). Period. If they had lost to the Browns and Niners in the ways they played in the first half of both games, then a definite argument could be made. The Bills mailed it in, benched their QB. and starting RB, an also fired their HC. The Browns tried every game, the Jets did not. You can spin your sh*t all you want, I and many others on here know what we saw. This Team does not try, Skips meetings, and have vastly over paid vets. We have one more year of "Todd" Then it's onto the next HC and perhaps GM. Unfortunately they will panic and blow every thing to Win and save their jobs, when we should re-tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Just now, BurnleyJet said: The Bills mailed it in, benched their QB. and starting RB, an also fired their HC. Right. And if we had truly quit, that game should have been close. But it wasn't. If that doesn't make sense to you, then I don't know what to say. It's not sh*t. I watched the Bills game. They had to play with some effort to win that game the way they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 IF YOU PULL YOUR STARTING QB, AND STAR RB, THEN FIRE YOUR HEAD COACH DURING THE WEEK, BECAUSE HE WONT BENCH YOUR QB WHAT DO THINK WILL HAPPEN? Clear enough for you, connect the dots.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 8 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said: IF YOU PULL YOUR STARTING QB, AND STAR RB, THEN FIRE YOUR HEAD COACH DURING THE WEEK, BECAUSE HE WONT BENCH YOUR QB WHAT DO THINK WILL HAPPEN? Clear enough for you, connect the dots.. So did we. Fitz was our backup and so was Powell. But that may be just splitting hairs Bottom line is a team can't just quit for several weeks and then decide to play with effort for a game or two and then go back to quitting. That doesn't make sense. If they did truly quit, the first Pats game should have been a blowout and the Rams game should have been a blowout too. If the whole team quit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said: So did we. Fitz was our backup and so was Powell. Bottom line is a team can't just quit for several weeks and then decide to play with effort for a game or two and then go back to quitting. That doesn't make sense. If they did truly quit, the first Pats game should have been a blowout and the Rams game should have been a blowout too. If the whole team quit. Powell was much better then Forte all season. Really Tyrod Taylor v Fitz lollll conversation over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Just now, BurnleyJet said: Powell was much better then Forte all season. Really Tyrod Taylor v Fitz lollll conversation over. You mean Cardale Jones vs. Fitz. And yes, conversation over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 30 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: I think some players quit on the coach. I don't think that the whole team quit. It doesn't logically fit the results. Not a matter of koolaid, its a matter of logic based on the results of what happened. If they quit the second Dolphins game and the second Patriots game, why didn't they quit against the Bills? EJ Manual says hi! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Just now, peebag said: EJ Manual says hi! I get that Manuel sucked. But if we quit, we should have sucked too. That's the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 16 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: You mean Cardale Jones vs. Fitz. 22 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: You mean Cardale Jones vs. Fitz. And yes, conversation over. Tyrod a huge loss for the Bills EJ is awful, by the end of the game Bills where playing their 3 stringer. But the Jets dominated.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 5 hours ago, Beerfish said: The defense is a way bigger concern than the offense to me. The offense was expected to need a makeover due to lack of draft picks and cap space. The defense was supposed to carry the team and it was sheer and utter garbage last year. The defense may well have sucked donkey balls. No argument they underperformed, And how about the greatest DL ever, the new rookie LB who covers TEs and backs like a blanket and the $13 million corner? But they were on the field all day because the offense was either going 3 and out or turning the ball over at the first opportunity. The fallacy is thinking scoring 13 points a week is gonna win NFL games. But the owner and the latest "we're #2 against the run!" defense first HC believe such horsesheet, so what do I know. PICK A SAFETY. OR A DL GUY. OR A LINEBACKER. OR A CORNER. AGAIN. And get back to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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