TuscanyTile2 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Start at 2:20. Then listen to the post-pick conversation: http://www.daikhlo.com/watch/yt_kBxVaifI1NY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Jet Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 I can also tell you..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigalbarracuda Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Love the optimism... I'm rooting like hell for the kid. I'm thinking that with Fitz gone he takes #14 back and looks great in training camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Are you implying that Hackenberg dropped because he's also a coke fiend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted February 13, 2017 Author Share Posted February 13, 2017 27 minutes ago, bigalbarracuda said: Love the optimism... I'm rooting like hell for the kid. I'm thinking that with Fitz gone he takes #14 back and looks great in training camp. I have no idea if Hack will be any good but this shows it wouldn't be unprecedented for a highly regarded college QB to have a terrible year and then find his way again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 1 minute ago, TuscanyTile2 said: I have no idea if Hack will be any good but this shows it wouldn't be unprecedented for a highly regarded college QB to have a terrible year and then find his way again. Years* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYDreamer Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 I just hope they give him the legitimate opportunity to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Can someone post a recap of what it says? I can't click the link, the electric is out in my house right now, so the sound won't play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 13 hours ago, Maxman said: Can someone post a recap of what it says? I can't click the link, the electric is out in my house right now, so the sound won't play. The video implies that Dan Marino according to many scouts was a reach and they felt that he needed to be developed when he was drafted. In truth I had forgotten that and that Marino was a surprise pick by Miami and that Marino like Hack had a bad last season. IMO difference is Hack had bad sophomore and Junior years as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlichtie Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 I always thought the issue with Marino was about his alleged practice 'habits' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Walrus Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 5 hours ago, Maxman said: Can someone post a recap of what it says? I can't click the link, the electric is out in my house right now, so the sound won't play. It was a great video snippet and timely reminder. Analysts very first words after the selection "I don't understand it". Implied that Marino was a reach, was considered perhaps the best college QB prospect until his senior year and that he threw for more Ints and TDs in his final college year. Also said they had no clue who was going to coach him up down in Miami, "who is the QB coaching genius........I don't see where he's going to get this great coaching for the problems he's had." 58% Comp, 17TD/23INT Hack fans take heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Marino still has the quickest windup and release I've ever seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 My recollection was that Marino was the best QB by far coming out that year and that the gambling issue was the cloud that hung over his head. The Jets picked before Miami that year and the fans in the room were stunned that we passed on him. Where do you get this "reach" stuff is just beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joejet Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 6 hours ago, Charlie Brown said: The video implies that Dan Marino according to many scouts was a reach and they felt that he needed to be developed when he was drafted. In truth I had forgotten that and that Marino was a surprise pick by Miami and that Marino like Hack had a bad senior year. IMO difference is Hack had bad sophomore and Junior years as well. Hack had a bad Sophomore and Junior season period. There was no Senior season. Unless you want to consider his year with the Jets as his senior season and then yes he also had a bad senior season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 plus Marino never had to deal with James Franklin, so actually Hackeburg is probably better then him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Marino allegedly smoking weed prior to the draft 30 years ago has nothing to do with hack It is interesting to note that the "science" of drafting has not improved that much - it is still a coin flip for most picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 3 hours ago, The Walrus said: It was a great video snippet and timely reminder. Analysts very first words after the selection "I don't understand it". Implied that Marino was a reach, was considered perhaps the best college QB prospect until his senior year and that he threw for more Ints and TDs in his final college year. Also said they had no clue who was going to coach him up down in Miami, "who is the QB coaching genius........I don't see where he's going to get this great coaching for the problems he's had." 58% Comp, 17TD/23INT Hack fans take heart. yes and consider the source. zimmerman who was a complete moron as a sports reporter or the other guy who wrote for the daily news (i think). what these two clowns know about scouting is less than anyone on this board. imo the one qb who reminded me of the way joe willy threw the ball was marino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted February 13, 2017 Author Share Posted February 13, 2017 12 minutes ago, rangerous said: yes and consider the source. zimmerman who was a complete moron as a sports reporter or the other guy who wrote for the daily news (i think). what these two clowns know about scouting is less than anyone on this board. imo the one qb who reminded me of the way joe willy threw the ball was marino. 26 other GMs must also have been morons then. Marino would've been the #1 pick in retrospect (or #2 at the latest behind Elway). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: 26 other GMs must also have been morons then. Marino would've been the #1 pick in retrospect (or #2 at the latest behind Elway). at least the guy in kc was. he picked todd blackledge. but it also comes down to team needs. 6 qb's were taken in the first round. marino was the last one and fell because of the rumors. kelly was probably just as much of a party boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted February 13, 2017 Author Share Posted February 13, 2017 1 minute ago, rangerous said: at least the guy in kc was. he picked todd blackledge. but it also comes down to team needs. 6 qb's were taken in the first round. marino was the last one and fell because of the rumors. kelly was probably just as much of a party boy. It does but I'm saying "in retrospect". Any team who had a QB would've STILL taken Marino if they knew how good he was. At the very worst he would've been trade bait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 I can't post the video because I am at work, but.... His first drive vs the Giants in the preseason (i know, i know, PRESEASON), but if we could somehow get that out of him 4 times a game without any major screw ups. I also know the next reply to this will be, but after the first drive he sucked, yes i know. but right after the throw to Anderson for the TD it was kind of nice to think, that, just for a second we may have something. NFL.com has the video of his first drive I think, he missed a few throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 15 minutes ago, Stark said: I can't post the video because I am at work, but.... His first drive vs the Giants in the preseason (i know, i know, PRESEASON), but if we could somehow get that out of him 4 times a game without any major screw ups. I also know the next reply to this will be, but after the first drive he sucked, yes i know. but right after the throw to Anderson for the TD it was kind of nice to think, that, just for a second we may have something. NFL.com has the video of his first drive I think, he missed a few throws. This is exactly what the Giants get out of Eli manning, and it was good enough to win them 2 SBs . This Kid has a way of making a play when a play needs to be made that allows his team to win . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Good thing Marino was redhsirted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMan77 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Still rooting for Hack... I still think he can show us something good. I still think it can all click for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 4 hours ago, LIJetsFan said: My recollection was that Marino was the best QB by far coming out that year and that the gambling issue was the cloud that hung over his head. The Jets picked before Miami that year and the fans in the room were stunned that we passed on him. Where do you get this "reach" stuff is just beyond me. You are somewhat correct. John Elway was considered the best QB coming out of the 1983 NFL draft. Dan Marino was in no way a reach for the Dolphins, the reach was the Jets picking Ken O'Brien. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, Tinstar said: This is exactly what the Giants get out of Eli manning, and it was good enough to win them 2 SBs . This Kid has a way of making a play when a play needs to be made that allows his team to win . Hackenberg? Wasn't he like 21-17 in college? The team went 11-3 last year without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: Hackenberg? Wasn't he like 21-17 in college? The team went 11-3 last year without him. Not sure how many times we need to go over this. The program was absolutely decimated by recruiting sanctions and NCAA allowed defections. Some had said that it was worse than the death penalty John Donovan was ill equipped to run the an offense that catered to Hack's needs. He was running quick bubble screens and tried to put him on the edge. As the NCAA limited schollys, the team had to limit areas where it recruited. The O-line took a beating. And played like it. PSU just got back to 85 schollys last year. The also had a couple of good recruiting classes under Franklin. Those classes did not help Hack's team though. The fact that they won as many gams as they did, was frankly amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 11 minutes ago, JetsFanatic said: You are somewhat correct. John Elway was considered the best QB coming out of the 1983 NFL draft. Dan Marino was in no way a reach for the Dolphins, the reach was the Jets picking Ken O'Brien. Jets of that era were never, never, never going to pick Marino. He had a damaged knee, and because of the Namath situation, the Jets still stayed away from players that had the slightest history of knee problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Should also be pointed out that Joe Montana played in the Cotton Bowl while suffering from the flu and Hackenberg had the flu once and still aced his Chem midterm, which became the inspiration for the wonderful film Brian's Song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 9 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: Not sure how many times we need to go over this. The program was absolutely decimated by recruiting sanctions and NCAA allowed defections. Some had said that it was worse than the death penalty John Donovan was ill equipped to run the an offense that catered to Hack's needs. He was running quick bubble screens and tried to put him on the edge. As the NCAA limited schollys, the team had to limit areas where it recruited. The O-line took a beating. And played like it. PSU just got back to 85 schollys last year. The also had a couple of good recruiting classes under Franklin. Those classes did not help Hack's team though. The fact that they won as many gams as they did, was frankly amazing. Yay! It's all Franklin's fault. All that is nice, but it still doesn't scream "all he does is win" to me. I'm not knocking Hackenberg for his record, I just don't see 21-17 as something to indicate that he has a knack for making plays when they need to be made to allow his team to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 11 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: Jets of that era were never, never, never going to pick Marino. He had a damaged knee, and because of the Namath situation, the Jets still stayed away from players that had the slightest history of knee problems That's supposedly why they passed on Anthony Munoz 3 years earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 9 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: Yay! It's all Franklin's fault. All that is nice, but it still doesn't scream "all he does is win" to me. I'm not knocking Hackenberg for his record, I just don't see 21-17 as something to indicate that he has a knack for making plays when they need to be made to allow his team to win. This really isn't difficult. When they won, it was because of Hackenberg's "it" factor. When they lost, it was because of James Franklin or Sandusky or the OL or whatever. Do I need to draw you a diagram? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 12 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: Yay! It's all Franklin's fault. All that is nice, but it still doesn't scream "all he does is win" to me. I'm not knocking Hackenberg for his record, I just don't see 21-17 as something to indicate that he has a knack for making plays when they need to be made to allow his team to win. I think what Scott was trying to say is that if it wasn't for pedophilia, we probably never even get a shot at Hackenberg, which is just one more reason to be grateful for the existence of sexy-ass boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 12 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I think what Scott was trying to say is that if it wasn't for pedophilia, we probably never even get a shot at Hackenberg, which is just one more reason to be grateful for the existence of sexy-ass boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 6 hours ago, Villain The Foe said: Marino still has the quickest windup and release I've ever seen His ability to just throw it was un believable. I know I hated him as a kid, and like to knock on him for never winning a Super Bowl, but his arm was perfect. I don't know who their GM was, but they really added nothing for years to help him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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