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Mike Mayock's 2017 NFL Draft position rankings

    With the NFL Scouting Combine beginning in two weeks, Mike Mayock unveils the first of his position-by-position rankings for the 2017 NFL Draft.

    Quarterback

     

    1. DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame 
    2. Deshaun Watson, Clemson 
    3. Mitch Trubisky, North Carolina 
    4. Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech 
    5. Davis Webb, California

    Running Back

     

    1. Dalvin Cook, Florida State 
    2. Leonard Fournette, LSU 
    3. Christian McCaffrey, Stanford 
    4. Alvin Kamara, Tennessee 
    5. Joe Mixon, Oklahoma

    Wide receiver

     

    1. Corey Davis, Western Michigan 
    2. Mike Williams, Clemson 
    3. John Ross, Washington 
    4. Cooper Kupp, Eastern Washington 
    5. Zay Jones, East Carolina

    Tight end

     

    1. O.J. Howard, Alabama 
    2. David Njoku, Miami 
    3. Evan Engram, Ole Miss 
    4. Jake Butt, Michigan 
    5. Gerald Everett, South Alabama

    Offensive tackle

     

    1. Ryan Ramczyk, Wisconsin 
    2. Garett Bolles, Utah 
    3. Antonio Garcia, Troy 
    4. Roderick Johnson, Florida State 
    T-5. Taylor Moton, Western Michigan 
    T-5. Jermaine Eluemunor, Texas A&M

    Interior OL

     

    1. Forrest Lamp, Western Kentucky 
    2. Cam Robinson, Alabama 
    3. Dan Feeney, Indiana 
    4. Ethan Pocic, LSU 
    5. Dion Dawkins, Temple

    Interior DL

     

    1. Jonathan Allen, Alabama 
    2. Caleb Brantley, Florida 
    3. Malik McDowell, Michigan State 
    4. Larry Ogunjobi, Charlotte 
    5. Chris Wormley, Michigan

    Edge rusher

     

    1. Myles Garrett, Texas A&M 
    2. Tim Williams, Alabama 
    3. Derek Barnett, Tennessee 
    4. Solomon Thomas, Stanford 
    5. Takkarist McKinley, UCLA

    Linebacker

     

    1. Reuben Foster, Alabama 
    2. Haason Reddick, Temple 
    3. Zach Cunningham, Vanderbilt 
    4. Jarrad Davis, Florida 
    5. Alex Anzalone, Florida

    Cornerback

     

    1. Sidney Jones, Washington 
    2. Marshon Lattimore, Ohio State 
    3. Marlon Humphrey, Alabama 
    4. Teez Tabor, Florida 
    5. Tre'Davious White, LSU

    Safety

     

    1. Malik Hooker, Ohio State 
    2. Jamal Adams, LSU 
    3. Jabrill Peppers, Michigan 
    4. Budda Baker, Washington 
    5. Obi Melifonwu, Connecticut

    Special exceptions

     

    Note: This category is for players who are not ranked in the top 5 at their position but have special value elsewhere (special teams, for example).

    1. Adoree' Jackson, USC 
    2. Curtis Samuel, Ohio State 
    3. Chidobe Awuzie, Colorado 
    4. Desmond King, Iowa 
    5. Adam Shaheen, Ashland

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    1 minute ago, Integrity28 said:

    Quarterback

     

    1. DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame 
    2. Deshaun Watson, Clemson 
    3. Mitch Trubisky, North Carolina 
    4. Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech 
    5. Davis Webb, California

    Running Back

     

    1. Dalvin Cook, Florida State 
    2. Leonard Fournette, LSU 
    3. Christian McCaffrey, Stanford 
    4. Alvin Kamara, Tennessee 
    5. Joe Mixon, Oklahoma

    Wide receiver

     

    1. Corey Davis, Western Michigan 
    2. Mike Williams, Clemson 
    3. John Ross, Washington 
    4. Cooper Kupp, Eastern Washington 
    5. Zay Jones, East Carolina

    His top guys at each of these positions buck the trends of who most analysts (not experts) rank 1, 2 and 3. 

    Anyway... this QB class is so underwhelming. We're going defense!

     

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    this stuff is just so hard to gage.  imo it looks like the jets won't be using a very high draft pick on a qb this draft.  they'll probably go bpa for the first 3 rounds and then go by need the rest of the way.  maybe n. peterman will be drafted by the jets yet.

    i wonder if there's any way to gage how these draft guru's stack up against reality.

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    I assume some people are up in arms about Cam Robinson being listed as an interior lineman and not even at the top.  I was surprised not to see Samuel there, but then I saw him in the wild card list.  I really like the idea of a Samuel type guy, someone to use the way I would have used Harvin.  Maybe 5 carries a game out of the backfield, but useful as a WR or to have go in motion and empty the backfield. Then again maybe I am just biased because Brooklyn.  Go Dutchmen!

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    Just now, Sarge4Tide said:

    So much for the ridiculous "Tim Williams is not a 1st rounder narrative"

    I wouldn't even have him on my board. Alabama is afraid to play him on run downs because he gets pushed around like the guy in front of crusher at the brunch buffet when the bacon is running out

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    I don't understand this ratings at all .  Trubisky has a higher grade than both Watson and Kizer, yet both are ranked ahead of him . I don't like Cam Robinson as a LT, but I think he would make a fine RT. As an OG,  he's got to be the top ranked guy with his core strength . 

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    Kizer may look best on paper and is a, has all the tools, type and the system etc, all the little factors that make up the player, but that ****er would scare the sh*t out of me. None are a sure thing but no way I'm taking him before Watson and Trubisky, whom I agree have their own issues. 

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    15 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

    I don't understand this ratings at all .  Trubisky has a higher grade than both Watson and Kizer, yet both are ranked ahead of him . I don't like Cam Robinson as a LT, but I think he would make a fine RT. As an OG,  he's got to be the top ranked guy with his core strength . 

    Think the rankings are influenced by what he thinks they will becom, not only what they were last season 

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    5 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

    His top guys at each of these positions buck the trends of who most analysts (not experts) rank 1, 2 and 3. 

    Anyway... this QB class is so underwhelming. We're going defense!

     

    Thoughts on a Chad Kelly flyer in the 6th round? If we don't come to terms with a veteran through free agency

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    23 minutes ago, SickJetFan said:

    And how has he done in that looking at his top 5 in every position going back to say 2013 draft?  

    Here is his final list last year.  note that it is not his initial one (precombine, like the one posted in this thread), but the list right before the draft.

     

    Quarterback

     

    1. Carson Wentz, North Dakota State
    2. Jared Goff, California
    3. Paxton Lynch, Memphis
    4. Connor Cook, Michigan State
    5. Christian Hackenberg, Penn State

    Rise: Hackenberg (NR)
    Fall: Dak Prescott, Mississippi State (5)

    Running back

     

    1. Ezekiel Elliott, Ohio State
    2. Devontae Booker, Utah
    3. Derrick Henry, Alabama
    4. Kenneth Dixon, Louisiana Tech
    5. Kenyan Drake, Alabama

    Rise: Booker (3)
    Fall: Henry (2)

    Wide receiver

     

    1. Laquon Treadwell, Ole Miss
    2. Corey Coleman, Baylor
    3. Josh Doctson, TCU
    4. Will Fuller, Notre Dame
    T-5. Sterling Shepard, Oklahoma
    T-5. Michael Thomas, Ohio State

    Rise: Coleman (3)
    Fall: Doctson (2)

    Tight end

     

    1. Hunter Henry, Arkansas
    2. Jerrell Adams, South Carolina
    3. Austin Hooper, Stanford
    4. Nick Vannett, Ohio State
    5. Beau Sandland, Montana State

    Rise: Adams (3)
    Fall: Hooper (2)

    Offensive tackle

     

    1. Laremy Tunsil, Ole Miss
    2. Ronnie Stanley, Notre Dame
    3. Jack Conklin, Michigan State
    4. Taylor Decker, Ohio State
    5. Germain Ifedi, Texas A&M

    Fall: Jason Spriggs, Indiana (T-5)

    Guard

     

    1. Cody Whitehair, Kansas State
    2. Joshua Garnett, Stanford
    3. Christian Westerman, Arizona State
    4. Connor McGovern, Missouri
    5. Isaac Seumalo, Oregon State

    Center

     

    1. Ryan Kelly, Alabama
    2. Nick Martin, Notre Dame
    3. Max Tuerk, USC
    4. Evan Boehm, Missouri
    T-5. Graham Glasgow, Michigan
    T-5. Jack Allen, Michigan State

     

     

     

    Interior defensive line

     

    1. DeForest Buckner, Oregon
    2. Sheldon Rankins, Louisville
    3. A'Shawn Robinson, Alabama
    4. Robert Nkemdiche, Ole Miss
    5. Jarran Reed, Alabama

    Rise: Robinson (4), Nkemdiche (NR)
    Fall: Reed (3), Andrew Billings, Baylor (5)

    Edge rusher

     

    1. Joey Bosa, Ohio State
    2. Leonard Floyd, Georgia
    3. Shaq Lawson, Clemson
    4. Emmanuel Ogbah, Oklahoma State
    5. Kevin Dodd, Clemson

    Linebacker



    1. Myles Jack, UCLA
    2. Reggie Ragland, Alabama
    3. Darron Lee, Ohio State
    4. Su'a Cravens, USC
    5. Deion Jones, LSU

     

    Rise: Jack (2), Ragland (4), Cravens (NR)
    Fall: Jaylon Smith, Notre Dame (1), Jatavis Brown, Akron (T-5)

    Cornerback

     

    1. Jalen Ramsey, Florida State
    2. Vernon Hargreaves, Florida
    3. William Jackson III, Houston
    4. Eli Apple, Ohio State
    5. Cyrus Jones, Alabama

    Rise: Jones (NR)
    Fall: Artie Burns, Miami (Fla.) (5)

    Safeties

     

    1. Karl Joseph, West Virginia
    2. Vonn Bell, Ohio State
    3. Keanu Neal, Florida
    4. KeiVarae Russell, Notre Dame
    5. Sean Davis, Maryland

    Rise: Neal (4), Davis (NR)
    Fall: Russell (3), Justin Simmons, Boston College (5)

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    57 minutes ago, SickJetFan said:

    And how has he done in that looking at his top 5 in every position going back to say 2013 draft?  

    Who cares?  I didn't say he was right or wrong, I just gave my take on your question.  

    I could care less who these so called experts like.  It's a guideline, you can agree or disagree.  

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    8 hours ago, Sarge4Tide said:

    So much for the ridiculous "Tim Williams is not a 1st rounder narrative"

    I think some team is going to get burned real bad with him.

    Guy is just not a football player.

    Though I've seen a lot of mocks having him go to the Steelers, and that would be a perfect fit for him

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    13 hours ago, Obrien2Toon said:

    I think some team is going to get burned real bad with him.

    Guy is just not a football player.

    Though I've seen a lot of mocks having him go to the Steelers, and that would be a perfect fit for him

    Seriously doubt it. Steelers don't waste their time with guys who aren't football players. 

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    NFL Draft 2017: Takeaways from Mike Mayock's position rankings

     

    Updated February 17, 2017 
    Posted February 17, 2017

     

     

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    On 2/15/2017 at 7:30 PM, SenorGato said:

    Hopefully this draft is a cake walk:

    1: Garrett DE/OLB or Watson QB

    2: Kaaya QB or Engram TE

    3: Garcia OT

    5: Carraway or some other OLB prospect

    6: RB

    Hopefully the only thing that complicates this is a Richardson trade for more picks. 

     

    1. Garrett is easily the pick if he falls. But he won't. Fournette may not be there either. There's a high likelihood the Jets will end up taking either Hooker or Adams (whoever is still there- I am assuming Titans take a safety at 5) or the top CB (I doubt ANY will go top 5- my top CB is Sidney Jones) or D.Barnette (safe pick as edge rusher). All would be a BPA type pick as well (assuming Fournette, Garrett, Allen, one of Hooker/Adams, top QB are off the board). I DON'T think the Jets will take a QB at 6. They would REALLY have to fall in love with a guy and I just don't see that happening with this lot of QBs.

    2. Again, I don't see the Jets taking a QB. It just does not make sense to take a guy like Kaaya when yo have Petty and Hack on the team and no real starter between the two. Jets will sign a vet and let the 3 guys compete-IMO. They will not carry 4 QBs again. A TE does not make sense to me either. Not THIS early. If the Jets go after a CB in the first, this is a good spot for an edge rusher (T.McKinley?). If they go for D.Barnett this could be a good spot for a CB.

    3. I doubt Garcia will still be o the board. If he is, yes, take him. This is a good spot for a developmental OT with potential to play LT in the NFL. Davenport? Holden? maybe Wheeler? This is a weak draft at OT, but IMO, a lot of that has to do with the fact that there are simply not a lot of NFL ready OTs. There IS talent though. So if you can get a guy with great upside in the 3rd round and you desperately need talent at OT, this is a good time to do it.

    4. (comp pick) You skipped this one, which is fair, but I think the Jets will get a comp pick. In that case, I would go TE and hopefully either Leggett or Sprinkle will be on the board. These guys are not elite athletes at the position and should be available somewhere around the 4th. But they are exactly what the Jets need- balanced TEs who can block and have soft hands. Potential 3 down TEs. Jets have Enunwa who has excelled as an offensive TE hybrid. The Jets don't nec. need a TE who is a receiving threat but can't block. And they don't need to spend a high draft pick on one. Pairing Leggett or Sprinkle with Enunwa will give opposing teams fits. These guys are big targets, they can block and they have soft hands. Combine that with a TE/WR that is a threat down the field along with RBs that can catch (Powell/Forte) and talent at the WR position and this passing offense becomes truly dynamic.

    5. ILB, C, FS. These are the positions I would target. There should be some great S talent still available. With Gilchrists future with the Jets uncertain b/c of his cap hit. I would go with John Johnson out of BC or Josh Jones out of NC State. I like Middleton and adding another young safety would make a Gilchrist departure that much more palatable.

    6. If he is there, I take C-Jon Toth. Mangold may still be a Jet in 2017 but he is clearly at the end of his career. W.Johnson will probably be re-signed. But that doesn't mean the Jets shouldn't draft talent at the position. Rd. 6 is not a major investment anyway and Toth is a bit of a tweener who may project to be a better G at the NFL level. Could end up out of the NFL in a year or two, could end up a starting C or G, could end up a versatile backup. Doesn't matter, this would help the Jets with depth on the O-line.

    7. If he is there, Jerry Ugokwe-OT is my pick. Small school prospect that started football late. Total project with great upside. He's got NFL OT size, length and athleticism. But is nowhere near polished. This is what the 7th round is for. Again, bringing in future talent for the O-line. Low risk, high reward.             

    1. S.Jones- CB

    2. T.McKinley- Pass Rusher

    3. A.Garcia- OT

    4. Sprinkle- TE

    5. JJ- FS

    6. Toth- C

    7. Ugokwe- OT

    The Jets take 4 players on offense, 3 on defense. They address critical positions of need. I would expect S.Jones and McKinley to make an impact immediately. Garcia and Sprinkle could make an impact as well, depending on how fast they acclimate to the NFL, injuries, etc. JJ is a depth guy that could eventually turn into a starter. Toth and Ugokwe  are developmental players you stash and let develop.

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    Notes from Mayock's Conference Call, posted by WalterFootball.com: http://walterfootball.com/mayock2017.php

    If you missed the tweets regarding Mike Mayock's conference call Monday afternoon, here are some of the important things he had to say regarding the 2017 NFL Draft: 
    "This is a great corner class. If you don't get one in the first round, you can come back and really help yourself." 
    Sidney Jones compares favorably to Marcus Peters. 
    "This is one of the best defensive drafts I've ever seen." A good edge rusher or cornerback could be obtained in the third round. 

    Chad Kelly is a possible second-round pick if he didn't have character/injury concerns. 
    Brad Kaaya is a long-term developmental prospect. Third round makes sense. 
    Derek Barnett will go in the 10-22 range. 
    Kansas State's Jordan Willis is one of the top edge rushers available after the first round. 

    Jonathan Allen is one of the "two or three best players in the draft." The Browns should look at him as well as Myles Garrett at No. 1 overall. 
    The wide receiver class is good, but not as deep as some of the defensive positions. 
    John Ross is one of the top three receivers in the class, and a top-18 pick. 
    With so much depth at cornerback, the Eagles have to look hard at one of the three first-round receivers. 
    Colorado's Ahkello Witherspoon is a "GOOD player." 
    Pat Mahomes could push for the first round, as he's picking up a lot of steam. "He's a gun-slinger. he's got an innate feel for the game." 
    On Christian McCaffrey skipping the Sun Bowl: "I don't think it's going to ultimately cost him." More on McCaffrey: "He is a matchup cog. He's a chess piece. He's bigger and tougher than people think he is." 
    "Malik Hooker as a center fielder is phenomenal." 
    "I'm not bullish on the quarterbacks this year because I don't think any of them are ready on Day 1. ... I don't have any quarterbacks near the top 10. ... There are four first-round quarterbacks, but they all have holes in their game." 
    Deshaun Watson is fascinating and doesn't shrink when the game is on the line, but he needs to make a big adjustment. 
    If Haason Reddick tests well, he could be a second-round prospect, maybe late first. 
    Cam Robinson is viewed as a guard. 
    The tackle class is weak, and there's a major drop-off after Garett Bolles, Ryan Ramcyzk. 
    A quarterback to the Jets at No. 6? "I would emphatically tell you no." 
    "Leonard Fournette is a nice fit" for the Panthers. 
    DeShone Kizer is the No. 1 quarterback because he has the highest ceiling. Compares to Philip Rivers. 
    Jimmy Garoppolo and Mitch Trubisky have identical grades. 
    If the Browns picked Myles Garrett/Jonathan Allen and then traded No. 12 for Jimmy Garoppolo, "I'd be stoked." 
    "David Njoku is an absolute freak, and he's also tough enough to learn how to block ... This is a great tight end class." 
    O.J. Howard is the top-ranked tight end in this class. Howard and Njoku come into play in the second half of Round 1. 
    Mitch Trubisky is a starting quarterback, but not ready with 13 college starts. He has a quick release and big arm. 

    There are five running backs with first-round grades: Leonard Fournette, Dalvin Cook, Alvin Kamara, Joe Mixon, Christian McCaffrey. 
    Jarrad Davis is a second-round possibility. 
    Not sure if Colorado quarterback Sefo Liufau is going to be drafted as a quarterback. 
    Jamal Adams and Malik Hooker are "potential All-Pro safeties." 
    The Patriots need another big weapon. 
    Marshon Lattimore is expected to go in the top 10. Sidney Jones is a top-15 pick. 
    The Falcons could address guard at No. 31. Forrest Lamp is an option.

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    34 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

    So Mayock had Darron Lee 3rd overall amongst the LBers in 2016, behind Myles Jack and Reggie Ragland. 

    And he had Deion Jones 5th. 

    I know Jones is smaller than Lee, but I guess they underestimated how raw Lee would be at technique.

    Tbh I just don't think we were picking in a great spot in 2016.  

     

    Who is the great player we shoulda picked over Lee?  I wanted Hunter Henry but no one else did and he slid to round 2.  Paxton Lynch is a worse version of Kaepernick 

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    Just now, thadude said:

    Tbh I just don't think we were picking in a great spot in 2016.  

     

    Who is the great player we shoulda picked over Lee?  I wanted Hunter Henry but no one else did and he slid to round 2.  Paxton Lynch is a worse version of Kaepernick 

    Another question I have with Lee is why was he playing ILB instead of his college position WLB.

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    12 minutes ago, thadude said:

    Lee is Vilma.  I think we are wasting him in a3-4

    Corey Griffin has said that their base defense is a nickel

    The 4-3/3-4 thing is a false narrative. The base defense is nickle, which is also why they need an EDGE, not a 3rd DL.

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