Good Picks for the Jets at #6?

[Sarge4Tide]

Which of the players listed above would be good picks for the Jets at #6? (Check all that apply)

[Jetsmanjb]

Leo Fournette is the only choice

[Persiussa]

50 minutes ago, Jetsmanjb said:

Leo Fournette is the only choice

I agree.  Fournette is my #1 guy.  There are a handfull of guys i would like at 6 and my other favorite player is Reuben Foster.  I know RB and ILB are devalued positions but i feel these 2 players are so good that they would be great value picks at 6 despite their position.  Malik Hooker is also great but the torn Labrum in his hip has me questioning if that's a smart pick.  It would be understandable if we went with a QB but I don't feel that any of them would be the best player on the board at the time.  I don't have a certainty about any of them even though i see things i like from Watson, Trubiski and Kizer.  Myles Garret i didn't even check the vote box for because he just shouldn't be there.

[T0mShane]

Got tears in my eyes thinking about it.

[King P]

My Top 5 choices:

Kizer

Fournette

Hooker

Barnett

Lattimore

 

[T0mShane]

Gonna draft a corner then spend $30 mil each on Ted Ginn and Terrance Williams soon.

[bealeb319]

I could see the jags drafting fournette. I think he is the type of player Coughlin really wanted but was never able to find. Im still all in for peppers who I am sure is an extremely unpopular pick at 6 by now. I still think the kid would be a good fit in Bowles system and I think he is going to be special. Last season I liked Dion jones a ton as a third round sleeper and I would have lost him trying to wait for value this year I say reach for the guy you like and I would reach for peppers.

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[JetFanatic]

4 minutes ago, Persiussa said:

I agree.  Fournette is my #1 guy.  There are a handfull of guys i would like at 6 and my other favorite player is Reuben Foster.  I know RB and ILB are devalued positions but i feel these 2 players are so good that they would be great value picks at 6 despite their position.  Malik Hooker is also great but the torn Labrum in his hip has me questioning if that's a smart pick.  It would be understandable if we went with a QB but I don't feel that any of them would be the best player on the board at the time.  I don't have a certainty about any of them even though i see things i like from Watson, Trubiski and Kizer.  Myles Garret i didn't even check the vote box for because he just shouldn't be there.

Leonard Williams shouldn't have been either.  There are a lot of players I would be okay with.  It depends on what happens in Free Agency though.  For instance, if they happen to sign Gilmore (CB) and Jefferson (S), thus improving the secondary and defense as a whole, I would be ecstatic if pick at #6 were to be a Fournette or a Mike Williams.  If they go in the direction of keeping Decker and signing a FA LT and/or a TE then I wouldn't mind the pick at #6 being a Malik Hooker or Jamal Adams or Marlon Humphrey or Marshon Lattimore or even Reuben Foster (not going to happen).  All I know is that picking at the top of every round in this stacked draft could potentially be huge for the franchise. 

I most certainly do not want any part of any of these QBs though.  Let's roll with Petty/Hackenberg and see what these kids have.  Maybe one of them actually pans out I mean something has to go our way eventually.  Worst case?  We suck it up en route to a much bigger picture and be close enough to even trade up if needed to get one of these stud QBs coming out in 2018 and actually be contenders in a few years at a time where the Pats are slowly diminishing.

All I know is is that I have twin boys who are about to turn 2 next month and I'm praying that this team shapes up so that we have some meaningful games to attend in the future.  I don't know about you guys, but I'm going about this hopeful reboot with the glass being half full.

[New York Mick]

Hooker so I can get a Hooker jersey. 

[PepPep]

I gotta be honest, I don;t get all the love for Williams and Lattimore. What is so special about these guys? 

To me, Williams lacks elite speed and doesn't have the size/strength and route running ability to get away without it as a #1 receiver at the next level. 6 is WAY too early for him, IMO. 

Lattimore is just not the elite CB that I would draft in the top 10. He's solid in multiple facets of the game but doesn't excel in anything in particular. To me, S.Jones will be the best CB to come out of this draft b/c of his amazing man-cover skills. He may lack ideal size and strength but he has an amazing skill set.   

Am I taking crazy pills??? 

On defense I voted for Garrett, Barnette, Hooker, Adams, and Allen. On offense I went Fournette and the two O-linemen, just b/c I think both will be Pro Bowl caliber players somewhere on the O-line (either RT or OG or LT).  I did not vote QBs b/c its too early. In other words, the only way I would take a QB is if someone really separated themselves leading up to the draft and made it pretty much a no-brainer. But if that happens, he will probably go #1 to CLE, #2 to SF, or #3 to CHI.

[Brady's a catcher]

11 hours ago, JetFanatic said:

Leonard Williams shouldn't have been either.  There are a lot of players I would be okay with.  It depends on what happens in Free Agency though.  For instance, if they happen to sign Gilmore (CB) and Jefferson (S), thus improving the secondary and defense as a whole, I would be ecstatic if pick at #6 were to be a Fournette or a Mike Williams.  If they go in the direction of keeping Decker and signing a FA LT and/or a TE then I wouldn't mind the pick at #6 being a Malik Hooker or Jamal Adams or Marlon Humphrey or Marshon Lattimore or even Reuben Foster (not going to happen).  All I know is that picking at the top of every round in this stacked draft could potentially be huge for the franchise. 

I most certainly do not want any part of any of these QBs though.  Let's roll with Petty/Hackenberg and see what these kids have.  Maybe one of them actually pans out I mean something has to go our way eventually.  Worst case?  We suck it up en route to a much bigger picture and be close enough to even trade up if needed to get one of these stud QBs coming out in 2018 and actually be contenders in a few years at a time where the Pats are slowly diminishing.

All I know is is that I have twin boys who are about to turn 2 next month and I'm praying that this team shapes up so that we have some meaningful games to attend in the future.  I don't know about you guys, but I'm going about this hopeful reboot with the glass being half full.

I would love to play Petty and/or Hack all year and find out what we have. It's obvious that it would be immeasurably better long term to be 2-14 than 7-9 next year but it's hard to get my mind around wishing for that before the Combine even starts!

I have two little ones also, I would love to have really good Jets teams to root for together before they go to college in 15 years!

[section314]

15 minutes ago, Brady's a catcher said:

I would love to play Petty and/or Hack all year and find out what we have. It's obvious that it would be immeasurably better long term to be 2-14 than 7-9 next year but it's hard to get my mind around wishing for that before the Combine even starts!

I have two little ones also, I would love to have really good Jets teams to root for together before they go to college in 15 years!

Good luck with that!  I felt that way years ago; now my boys are 33,30 and 27.Time flies, the Jets, not so much.

[pointman]

QB, every year, every round, until we find a real one.

[phill1c]

18 minutes ago, pointman said:

QB, every year, every round, until we find a real one.

So, basically, a one-year test of a rookie QB until forever, all the while neglecting talent at the other positions thereby dooming the one-year test.

[pointman]

44 minutes ago, phill1c said:

So, basically, a one-year test of a rookie QB until forever, all the while neglecting talent at the other positions thereby dooming the one-year test.

Yes, exactly this. Because, I was 100% serious. Completely dead serious.

[varjet]

I am feeling the pick is going to be Lattimore or Hooker, maybe Adams. 

With Adams the Jets stiill need a cover safety, unless they think for this year they can run a secondary of Pryor and Adams.  Maybe Jefferson replaces Pryor.

Lattimore basically saves the Jets from a FA CB.

Hooker allows Gilcrist to more easily ride off into the sunset.  From a cap perspective could be a trade.  Hooker and Jefferson could be a good back end.

If they did some version of the above and signed a FA CB and pushed Burris and Roberts, their secondary may not be half bad.

[PepPep]

42 minutes ago, varjet said:

I am feeling the pick is going to be Lattimore or Hooker, maybe Adams. 

With Adams the Jets stiill need a cover safety, unless they think for this year they can run a secondary of Pryor and Adams.  Maybe Jefferson replaces Pryor.

Lattimore basically saves the Jets from a FA CB.

Hooker allows Gilcrist to more easily ride off into the sunset.  From a cap perspective could be a trade.  Hooker and Jefferson could be a good back end.

If they did some version of the above and signed a FA CB and pushed Burris and Roberts, their secondary may not be half bad.

Who's Jefferson? Do you mean Middleton? Am I missing something? 

"Lattimore basically saves the Jets from a FA CB." I'm not sure what you mean by this. You can't assume a rookie can come in and start as a #1. If the Jets cut Revis, let Williams walk, and put Skrine in the slot, which is what they SHOULD do. They will still need to sign a CB in FA to play on the outside as a #1 opposite Burris, Roberts, or a drafted rookie- whoever wins out. That's just me. I'm not that high on Lattimore. I don't think he will be able to come in and make a significant impact immediately. And I don't think you can really rely on that from any rookie CB. Its a difficult transition. I think S.Jones is way more skilled and NFL ready, despite his lack of ideal strength/size. I think he would have a considerably smoother transition.

Sign Gilmore. Draft S.Jones via trade down in the first round. Gilmore, Burris, Skrine (slot) Roberts, Jones and Marshall (returner) are your 6 CBs. That's a solid young group. Next year, depending on how guys develop, you can move on from Skrine and move Roberts or S.Jones into the slot.

I'm really not that worried about the safety position. Pryor get one more year to show some improvement. Middleton is a promising FS, as is Miles. Gilchrist played well last year, considering how awful the coverage was with Revis and Skrine getting beat like a drum regularly.    

[bitonti]

this CB from Ohio State better run a 4.3-4.4 or he's not really value at 6. that goes for any DB in the top 10

[jamesr]

1 hour ago, varjet said:

I am feeling the pick is going to be Lattimore or Hooker, maybe Adams. 

With Adams the Jets stiill need a cover safety, unless they think for this year they can run a secondary of Pryor and Adams.  Maybe Jefferson replaces Pryor.

Lattimore basically saves the Jets from a FA CB.

Hooker allows Gilcrist to more easily ride off into the sunset.  From a cap perspective could be a trade.  Hooker and Jefferson could be a good back end.

If they did some version of the above and signed a FA CB and pushed Burris and Roberts, their secondary may not be half bad.

Bear in mind that the top FA signings will happen BEFORE the draft ... IMHO there is no way we don't sign a FA CB if we've decided to move on from Revis. It'd be borderline criminally irresponsible to go into the draft with Skrine / Burris / Williams / Roberts as our only options.

As for safety, Gilchrist had a nasty injury to end the season, I'm not even sure he'll be good to go by camp / maybe pre-season, so they have to plan to move on there too.

I'd love to see us spend quite a bit of this draft (and some UDFA signings) on DBs to restock a fairly depleted talent pool. Draft depth matches need quite well for us in this respect.

[joewilly12]

NFL Draft 2017: Darryl Slater's Jets 7-round mock, 1.0 | Deshaun Watson? Leonard Fournette?

Updated February 16, 2017 
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Darryl Slater | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com

Who will the Jets select sixth overall in the 2017 NFL Draft? If a quarterback (like Mitch Trubisky, Deshaun Watson, or DeShone Kizer) is there, should the Jets take him? As the NFL Scouting Combine approaches, let's bring you our first official Jets seven-round mock draft of 2017. 

 

Our methodology for this mock draft 

Yes, we spitballed two of these mock drafts before the Super Bowl (here and here), but we are starting fresh as draft preparations get underway in earnest — with the help of Fanspeak.com's mock draft simulator and CBSSports.com's prospect rankings. Here goes ... 

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Round 1: Texas A&M DE/OLB Myles Garrett 

The reasoning: Quite simply, he is the best player available here ... and the Jets need better edge-rushing production. Will he fall to the Jets? Probably not. But people said the same thing about Leonard Williams leading up to the 2014 draft, when the Jets also had the sixth pick ... and he fell to them. The simulator's first five picks: quarterback Mitch Trubisky, quarterback Deshaun Watson, quarterback DeShone Kizer, defensive lineman Jonathan Allen, and wide receiver Corey Davis. That's why Garrett falls in this scenario (emphasis on those last three words). He projects as a 3-4 outside linebacker in the NFL. 

Scouting report (from NFL.com): "Elite edge rusher who possesses rare explosiveness and the fluid-movement skills and agility of an NBA shooting guard. Good size, but he's never likely going to be a hold-your-ground run defender, and might be best suited as an outside linebacker. However, his ability to explode into the backfield through a gap or around the edge gives him disruptive potential on every snap. Garrett still needs to fine-tune his pass-rush strategy and could stand to give more consistent effort from the start of the snap until the whistle. But his pass-rush production and athletic traits point toward an all-pro career." 

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Myles Garrett's tape

 

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Round 2: Iowa CB Desmond King

The reasoning: This is a deep draft for cornerbacks, and the Jets need serious help at the position. Darrelle Revis is declining, and the Jets might cut him. Buster Skrine is better suited to play in the slot, rather than at outside corner. Marcus Williams is a pending restricted free agent. And the jury is still out on Juston Burris, a fourth-round draft pick last year. The Jets need a promising, young player who can perhaps become a No. 1 corner, since Revis is no longer capable of filling that role. If things don't work out with King at corner in the NFL, he could play safety, which is fine for the Jets, because they should be rebuilding there as well. 

Scouting report (from NFL.com): "Lack of size and speed combined with his ball skills, instincts, and competitiveness all point to a transition to safety. While he can improve as a tackler, he's got the toughness and mentality to take on run-support duties. Can cover in man when asked and has the ball-tracking skills and anticipation that should allow him to thrive in two-deep and single-high situations. A likely second-day (Rounds 2-3) selection and could be targeted as a zone corner or a safety with early starting potential." 

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Desmond King's tape 

 

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Round 3: LSU C Ethan Pocic 

The reasoning: The Jets might cut Nick Mangold, who is entering the final year of his contract. The move would create $9 million in salary cap space, with no dead money attached. Even if Mangold sticks around for 2017 and plays out his contract, he's not getting any younger, at 33. Time for the Jets to find a replacement, presuming they aren't fully sold on Wesley Johnson, a pending restricted free agent who replaced Mangold when he battled a nagging ankle injury last season. CBSSports.com rates Pocic as this draft's best center. 

Scouting report (from NFL.com): "Flexible, natural athlete with starting experience all along the LSU offensive line. Scouts say Pocic has the intelligence teams look for from a center and is highly regarded by LSU coaches and teammates in the locker room. Pocic is an excellent "work-up" blocker with the ability to thrive in a running game that operates in space, but his lack of power will produce some extremely challenging matchups for him at times." 

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Ethan Pocic's tape 

 

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Round 4 (compensatory pick): Clemson RB Wayne Gallman

The reasoning: The Jets aren't guaranteed to get a compensatory pick, and the picks haven't even been awarded yet, so we're just projecting here. The Jets traded away their regular 2017 fourth-round pick during last year's draft, in order to take offensive tackle Brandon Shell in Round 5. Anyway, the Jets need to get younger at running back. Matt Forte is aging quickly. Bilal Powell is a fine complementary back, but he's not an elite No. 1 guy. Gallman would have a chance to learn from those veterans in 2017. 

Scouting report (from NFL.com): "Comes with NFL-ready body and a competitive running style. Gallman has limited instincts as an interior runner and needs lanes rather than creases, but he's physical enough to bang out tough yardage. Gallman runs with pace and shows traits of being a one-cut runner who is better off with focused, pre-set tracks rather than searching for his own. He could be an early contributor in a committee with a future as an eventual starter." 

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Wayne Gallman's tape

 

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Round 5: Florida State WR Travis Rudolph

The reasoning: The Jets have a couple good young receivers (Quincy Enunwa and Robby Anderson) and a couple guys on the back end of their careers (Eric Decker and Brandon Marshall). The Jets might cut Marshall this offseason. The move would create $7.5 million in salary cap space, with no dead money attached. Can't hurt to make a later-round investment in a receiver. 

Scouting report (from NFL.com): "Rudolph wasn't trying to make headlines when he decided to sit with Bo Paske at lunch during a middle school visit in August, but his actions made an autistic child, the young boy's mother, and the rest of the community very happy. He's been a class act since arriving in Tallahassee as a five-star recruit and three-time all-Florida pick, who won the Lou Groza Awards High School Player of the Year as a senior. Rudolph played in 13 games as a freshman, starting six contests and making 38 catches for 555 yards and four scores. He was an honorable mention All-ACC selection as the team's leading receiver in 2015 (59-916, seven TDs) and starring against Houston (7-201, TD) in the Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl. Rudolph was named second-team all-conference as a junior, again leading the Seminoles in receiving (56-840, seven TDs)." 

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Travis Rudolph's tape

 

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Round 6: Arizona State K Zane Gonzalez 

The reasoning: At some point, the Jets will need to replace Nick Folk, who turns 33 in November. Folk is entering the final year of his contract in 2017. If the Jets cut him, they'd create $3 million in salary cap space, with $593,334 in dead money attached. Gonzalez looks like a potentially promising replacement. 

Scouting report (from NFL.com): "Self-made, four-year starter who has steadily increased his kickoff distance and range as a field goal kicker. As the most prolific field goal kicker in FBS history, Gonzalez has a good chance of being drafted and becoming an instant starter." 

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Zane Gonzalez's tape 

 

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Round 7: Louisiana Tech S Xavier Woods 

The reasoning: Maybe the Jets can wait until Round 7 to get Gonzalez, and grab a late-round safety in Round 6. Either way, the Jets could use some young depth at safety ... and in their secondary in general. 

Scouting report (from NFL.com): "People in Ruston will tell you that they loved having Woods on their team for four years, and Conference USA coaches thought enough of his talent to name him first-team All-Conference USA each of the last three seasons. He started ten games as a true freshman and then exploded onto the college football scene in 2014 when making his sixth interception (and second pick-six) of the season in a win over Illinois in the Zaxby's Heart of Dallas Bowl. He ended up with 71 tackles, 3.5 for loss, seven pass breakups, and three forced fumbles. Woods also produced well in 2015 (56 tackles, 7.5 for loss, three INT, three PBU) and 2016 (89 tackles, 6.5 for loss, five INT, 6 PBU) all-conference campaigns." 

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Xavier Woods' tape

 

 

[rangerous]

5 hours ago, phill1c said:

So, basically, a one-year test of a rookie QB until forever, all the while neglecting talent at the other positions thereby dooming the one-year test.

not exactly.  consider the current situation.  petty is in his 3rd year and hack his 2nd.  if they did draft a qb he would be a rookie.  they could try out petty (again) and if he doesn't work out then go to hack and then the new guy.  in this scenario petty would start the whole season or at least a good portion before moving on.  as much as teams apparently don't want to start young qb's these guy have got to start somewhere.  and they should be able to step in at least after there first year.

[rangerous]

2 hours ago, varjet said:

I am feeling the pick is going to be Lattimore or Hooker, maybe Adams. 

With Adams the Jets stiill need a cover safety, unless they think for this year they can run a secondary of Pryor and Adams.  Maybe Jefferson replaces Pryor.

Lattimore basically saves the Jets from a FA CB.

Hooker allows Gilcrist to more easily ride off into the sunset.  From a cap perspective could be a trade.  Hooker and Jefferson could be a good back end.

If they did some version of the above and signed a FA CB and pushed Burris and Roberts, their secondary may not be half bad.

there was one article i read that said the jets did improve in pass defense during the second half of the year.  this could be because they were scheming better or the players were playing better.  burris was in more for the last 3 games.  lattimore may keep the jets from having to sign a top free agent corner but since the free agency period is before the draft not signing one will certainly telegraph the way the jets will be drafting.  i'd be okay with a true revis replacement at 6. 

[UnitedWhofans]

OJ Howard?

[CanadienJetsFan]

All I read is about us picking some defensive player .we need play makers like a WR or Rb with explosiveness who can carry some of the burden while a young QB is being groomed. Better yet, take the best O lineman , god knows we need a RT.

Anyone have an opinion on that Florida state RT? He looks like a prototypical RT to me.

[jack48]

I would like them to draft  player who has the potential to be the best at his position.  That would be nice.  Foster, maybe?  It would be nice to get a player somewhere in the first round.  Maybe trade down and pick Foster.

[Jetdawgg]

Garrett would be amazing at 6

[Powpow]

 Fournette is a monster. He's a lot faster than I thought.  I can see Rex trading down to grab him.  He'd be wetting his pants at the thought  of having a rb that can swat and toss off DB's like flies.  Oh snap, Rex you don't have a job.

[RSJ]

Everyone is talking about Fournette - but Cook is the better fit in the new OC's system and just as talented, if not more than Fournette imo. Its still early - but the Jets need an explosive RB like Cook and not a I Formation type RB like Fournette. 

[thadude]

OJ Howard, Cam Robinson or Taco

[CrazyCarl40]

6 hours ago, thadude said:

OJ Howard, Cam Robinson or Taco

Literally none of those are worth the #6 pick. 

[FTL Jet Fan]

Watson, Williams, Foster, Hooker. Should do another after FA and combine. 

[T0mShane]

12 hours ago, Jetdawgg said:

Garrett would be amazing at 6

That'd be the consensus right pick, imo, which I why there's no reason to believe he'd fall, imo. 

[section314]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

That'd be the consensus right pick, imo, which I why there's no reason to believe he'd fall, imo. 

Agreed...Like Tony Pauline wrote on his site, " if you are a Brown's fan, and they pass on Garrett, it's time to pick a new team."

[thadude]

On February 18, 2017 at 5:43 AM, CrazyCarl40 said:

Literally none of those are worth the #6 pick. 

 Well you're wrong 

[thadude]

On February 18, 2017 at 8:21 AM, T0mShane said:

That'd be the consensus right pick, imo, which I why there's no reason to believe he'd fall, imo. 

Garret's not falling to 6.  Leonard Williams fell because he's a 3-4DE, 4-3 DT, Garret is a 4-3 DE