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The $6 million question: Can Jets have Darrelle Revis' contract voided?


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36 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

As I mentioned in another post what if he was interested in opening a diner or a 24 hour burger place and wanted to see the foot traffic in the area. 

 I am not ruling out any possibility. All I am trying to say, is that there will be some people that won't give him the benefit of the doubt. 

 If he does end up opening a 24 hour a day diner, I'll meet you over there and buy you a joewilly12 burger.?

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16 hours ago, T0mShane said:

They gave Marcus Gilchrist $7m per. If they try to recoup $6m from one of the GOATs, they should just sell the franchise to Chinese investors and be done with it.

So because he used to be great - if he breaks his contract the Jets should still pay him? If the Jets have a chance to get out of paying him another penny they should.

Just like he had the right the hold-out - the Jets have every right to not pay him if he broke his contract. It certainly seems like you could make a strong case that he is in violation of his contract.  Revis showed no loyalty to the Jets, they owe him none in return.  Revis's past performance should have no barring whatsoever on their decision.

 

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14 hours ago, rangerous said:

the fact that it's a non-monetary bond means that the court thinks most of the charges are baseless.  not saying it was a smart thing for revis to have done but from what i've read it seems like there's not enough evidence.  maybe the other guys will sue him in civil court but again there needs to be some evidence that revis slugged them.

as for what the jets will do, imo it depends on how the case plays out over the next couple of weeks.  they have until march 11 to release him or pay the roster bonus. if they try to recoup the 6 million in cap money then that'll be a huge distraction.  they should just eat it and move on and hope revis can sign with another team.

I also noted the actual stupid thing that this Court did which was their request that Revis turn over his passport!!

Who is he OJ Simpson!!!

Trust me I have seen attempted murder cases in Brooklyn where the DA didn't request that a passport be handed over.  Revis is a ZERO risk of flight.

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4 hours ago, Bugg said:

And there a mess of broken men who didn't vest in the NFL's pension fund because of roster and practice squad rules. Revis took full advantage of a system designed to screw players over at every turn and suppress their salaries with cap rules. Grant you it was not pretty, but I don't here anyone complaining about the owners' profits because they artificially suppress players salaries.

Do you go to a casino to root for the house? 

20 and out-wild guess; you did your 20 and got out in a civil service job. How would you like if instead of 20, your municipality figured out a way to make you work more than 20, your union went a long (the NFLPA being a joke that cannot even get retired guys decent health care),  and simply told you "Fukc off, them's the rules" work 24 years instead. 

In general, Americans are Sheep, who don't know more than than they have been conditioned to know.  

The fact is the vast majority of us have positions that upon the slightest examination show we are literally slitting our own throats! 

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44 minutes ago, Dcat said:

 Perhaps if Revis brought some intangibles to the table, such as being a leader and role model to the team in the clubhouse, inspiring and mentoring young CBs, etc. (none of which he has EVER been reported as doing), then perhaps it would be worthy of consideration.  

This is simply not true!!

Revis has had a TREMENDOUS impact on those he plays with, whether the Jets should cut him is up for debate, but his positive impact on the team is NOT up for debate.

He maybe gone but we don't have to make things up. It's not that Revis is not trying IMO it is that he is getting old and he didn't properly prepare last off season because of his injured wrist, which is obviously ok do to the two knockouts.

See here:

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/52759/what-makes-darrelle-revis-great-lets-pull-back-the-curtain

What makes Darrelle Revis great? Let's pull back the curtain

During his eight-year NFL career, CB Darrelle Revis has made the Pro Bowl six times and has been named first-team All-Pro four times. Jeff Zelevansky/Getty Images

FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- Darrelle Revis is a star on Sundays -- everybody can see that -- but it's what he does Monday to Saturday that makes him special.

He's one of the first to arrive in the morning and one of the last to leave at night. He might as well show up with construction boots and a lunch pail because he approaches his job with an everyman mentality, always grinding.

Bill Parcells once said the reason he signed Curtis Martin was because he relished the idea of knowing his best player also would be the hardest worker on the team, a rare combination that sets an example for the rest of the roster. It's a similar dynamic with Revis, whose impact off the field has exceeded the expectations of the New York Jets.

What follows is an inside look at the Revis most people don't get to see, based on the views of five people who see the Pro Bowl cornerback every day:

The Coach

Todd Bowles, in his first season with the Jets, always admired Revis from afar. Now he knows what makes him tick.

"He has a young spirit. He plays like he's 23 years old. Everybody plays for a different reason and they make a lot of money, but he truly loves the game. He takes care of his body. He understands what he has to do, stretching-wise. He gets in the trainer's room and he treats his body like a temple. His mindset is rare and it helps our team gain a mental toughness.

"He doesn't flinch if things are in dire straits or if things are going well. He's the same all the time. He's proud of his work. He demands everything he does at that position to be the best -- not to please everyone else, but for himself. Mental toughness is something you have to have, and he's got it. That's rare.

"I always heard stories about him, about how everybody loved him, but I didn't get to see it until now. He's one of the guys. He doesn't see himself as any bigger or better than anyone else, but when you want to challenge him, he's going to step up to the challenge. He has kept himself grounded. His demeanor is the same as it was when he came out of college."

The Rookie

Safety Durell Eskridge, an undrafted free agent, is the only rookie in the Jets' secondary.

"I've been getting calls and texts since I got to the Jets -- from my Syracuse teammates, from guys at home, from players on my high-school team. Everybody wants to to know, 'What's it like to play with Revis and [Antonio] Cromartie?' I always tell them, 'It's a great opportunity. They teach you how to be pros.' They don't take one day off, not one bit.

"Revis is a student of the game. No, let me change that. He's a professional of the game. He studies film. He's a film guy. He knows routes. He knows route combinations. He knows the different releases that receivers are going to take. He's a smart guy, along with how good a player he is. That's what makes him so special.

"He's a guy I always wanted to grow up and be like. I never thought I'd ever get a chance to play with him. I thought he'd be retired by the time I got here. It's a dream come true. The first couple of days, sitting [in the meeting room] and watching these guys, you're like, 'I can't believe I'm in the same room as him and Cro.' I'm working with my role models. Like I said, it's a dream come true.

"[Revis] is a humble guy, he's to himself, but he speaks up. Him and Cro talk a lot in the room. They're the leaders of the room. They're talking a lot, but not as much as us young guys, because we're asking questions -- the questions they already know. They're correcting us -- the questions we ask and the mistakes we're making on the field."

The Homey

Safety Rontez Miles grew up in the Pittsburgh area, as did Revis. They played in the same public-school league, four years apart.

"Funny story: On my recruiting day, on my official visit to Pitt, he was supposed to show up to Dave & Busters [as a host]. But he didn't show. I was really looking forward to meeting him. I never imagined he'd be my teammate in the NFL.

"I've seen so many amazing things from him. His patience as a cornerback is one of the hardest things to do. He never seems rattled. He never seems scared or worried. It's just amazing to see him work out there. He's a hard worker. No matter what it is -- extra film work, you name it -- he's willing to do it. Just watching him practice, his feet and his ability to cover -- even at his age -- it's crazy, man.

"We'll be in meetings, watching film, and the ball will be nowhere near his side. You'll see guys in the room, whispering, 'Man, oh, man.' Here's what I mean: The quarterback will roll in the other direction and [Revis] knows the ball isn't coming to him. He's still white on rice. He's covering the man like the ball is coming to him every single play. He doesn't take a play off -- ever.

"His pre-snap reads are amazing. He knows what he's about to get before the snap of the ball. A lot of people probably don't realize that. It puts him in the best position. He knows the route based on certain formations and where they are on the field ... and he takes it away immediately. He takes away half the work just by his alignment.

"He is who he is. To watch him do it consistently, every day, that's the type of player I want to be one day. It's not just Monday or Thursday. Throughout the whole week, he's Revis."

The Old Coach

Retired coach Mike Westhoff was an NFL assistant for 30 years, coaching special teams for the Miami Dolphins and Jets. He worked for the Jets during Revis' first tour with the team, 2007 to 2012. Westhoff, an ESPN radio analyst, has been observing practice this week.

"I've been around some great players, including [Dan] Marino, and I can say that Revis works as hard in practice as any player I've ever seen. He wants to win on every play. I remember when Rex [Ryan] used to have the defensive walk-through. Rex played quarterback and he'd throw his passes. Revis wouldn't let Rex complete any passes even in his little walk-through.

"Watching practice, I've noticed that Revis is the only guy, when he gets called for a penalty, who goes up to the officials and asks for an explanation. Instead of yelling and complaining, he wants to know why he got called. That tells me a lot about him.

"If you're grading practice, he'd get a 93, 94 maybe a 98. He never loses. He hates to lose. The really, really good ones -- the great ones, like Peyton Manning -- they have that mentality. If I had to pick a singular reason for New England winning the Super Bowl, it would be [Revis]. He allowed them to play a style of defense they hadn't played in 10 years. They're going to miss him."

The General Manager

Mike Maccagnan, in one of his first moves with the Jets, signed Revis to a five-year, $70 million contract.

"Obviously, we thought he was one of the best players in free agency. Everybody we spoke to about him, they all said the same thing: a very good worker and a pro's pro. I probably underestimated what an influence he'd have on [the defensive backs]. We knew he was a guy we'd want to get back in here, but the way he has imparted that positive energy, not just as a player, but his persona ... his work ethic ... We expected it when we signed him, but I probably underestimated how impactful he'd be.

"The first few days, we saw Brandon [Marshall] match up with Cro. They had a very good dialogue; they were chirping back and forth. Then it got around to Revis and Brandon, and I felt when that happened, it was a different sort of level. Obviously, it was a very good matchup, very exciting to see, but just the feeling at practice -- I don't know, it was just an organic thing.

"It's his presence on the field. It's kind of weird. There's more confidence in the group. I wasn't here last year, but just sensing it, that's something that really comes through. It's hard to quantify. There's just a different feeling out there. I knew he was one of the better players in recent Jets history, but Revis has impacted the whole group. In reality, in the previous season, they had a lot of struggles back there. Now, all of a sudden, it's a whole different game."

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4 hours ago, Bugg said:

And there a mess of broken men who didn't vest in the NFL's pension fund because of roster and practice squad rules. Revis took full advantage of a system designed to screw players over at every turn and suppress their salaries with cap rules. Grant you it was not pretty, but I don't here anyone complaining about the owners' profits because they artificially suppress players salaries.

Do you go to a casino to root for the house? 

20 and out-wild guess; you did your 20 and got out in a civil service job. How would you like if instead of 20, your municipality figured out a way to make you work more than 20, your union went a long (the NFLPA being a joke that cannot even get retired guys decent health care),  and simply told you "Fukc off, them's the rules" work 24 years instead. 

i don't blame him for working the rules to his advantage.  imo his problem was holding out and then getting injured early on in the season and being lost for games.  that happened to him a few seasons back when he held out through much of trainin camp and then pulled a hammy in the first or second game.  yeah he got his money but the jets didn't get their money's worth.

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13 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said:

This is simply not true!!

Revis has had a TREMENDOUS impact on those he plays with, whether the Jets should cut him is up for debate, but his positive impact on the team is NOT up for debate.

He maybe gone but we don't have to make things up. It's not that Revis is not trying IMO it is that he is getting old and he didn't properly prepare last off season because of his injured wrist, which is obviously ok do to the two knockouts.

See here:

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/52759/what-makes-darrelle-revis-great-lets-pull-back-the-curtain

What makes Darrelle Revis great? Let's pull back the curtain

During his eight-year NFL career, CB Darrelle Revis has made the Pro Bowl six times and has been named first-team All-Pro four times. Jeff Zelevansky/Getty Images

FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- Darrelle Revis is a star on Sundays -- everybody can see that -- but it's what he does Monday to Saturday that makes him special.

He's one of the first to arrive in the morning and one of the last to leave at night. He might as well show up with construction boots and a lunch pail because he approaches his job with an everyman mentality, always grinding.

Bill Parcells once said the reason he signed Curtis Martin was because he relished the idea of knowing his best player also would be the hardest worker on the team, a rare combination that sets an example for the rest of the roster. It's a similar dynamic with Revis, whose impact off the field has exceeded the expectations of the New York Jets.

What follows is an inside look at the Revis most people don't get to see, based on the views of five people who see the Pro Bowl cornerback every day:

The Coach

Todd Bowles, in his first season with the Jets, always admired Revis from afar. Now he knows what makes him tick.

"He has a young spirit. He plays like he's 23 years old. Everybody plays for a different reason and they make a lot of money, but he truly loves the game. He takes care of his body. He understands what he has to do, stretching-wise. He gets in the trainer's room and he treats his body like a temple. His mindset is rare and it helps our team gain a mental toughness.

"He doesn't flinch if things are in dire straits or if things are going well. He's the same all the time. He's proud of his work. He demands everything he does at that position to be the best -- not to please everyone else, but for himself. Mental toughness is something you have to have, and he's got it. That's rare.

"I always heard stories about him, about how everybody loved him, but I didn't get to see it until now. He's one of the guys. He doesn't see himself as any bigger or better than anyone else, but when you want to challenge him, he's going to step up to the challenge. He has kept himself grounded. His demeanor is the same as it was when he came out of college."

The Rookie

Safety Durell Eskridge, an undrafted free agent, is the only rookie in the Jets' secondary.

"I've been getting calls and texts since I got to the Jets -- from my Syracuse teammates, from guys at home, from players on my high-school team. Everybody wants to to know, 'What's it like to play with Revis and [Antonio] Cromartie?' I always tell them, 'It's a great opportunity. They teach you how to be pros.' They don't take one day off, not one bit.

"Revis is a student of the game. No, let me change that. He's a professional of the game. He studies film. He's a film guy. He knows routes. He knows route combinations. He knows the different releases that receivers are going to take. He's a smart guy, along with how good a player he is. That's what makes him so special.

"He's a guy I always wanted to grow up and be like. I never thought I'd ever get a chance to play with him. I thought he'd be retired by the time I got here. It's a dream come true. The first couple of days, sitting [in the meeting room] and watching these guys, you're like, 'I can't believe I'm in the same room as him and Cro.' I'm working with my role models. Like I said, it's a dream come true.

"[Revis] is a humble guy, he's to himself, but he speaks up. Him and Cro talk a lot in the room. They're the leaders of the room. They're talking a lot, but not as much as us young guys, because we're asking questions -- the questions they already know. They're correcting us -- the questions we ask and the mistakes we're making on the field."

The Homey

Safety Rontez Miles grew up in the Pittsburgh area, as did Revis. They played in the same public-school league, four years apart.

"Funny story: On my recruiting day, on my official visit to Pitt, he was supposed to show up to Dave & Busters [as a host]. But he didn't show. I was really looking forward to meeting him. I never imagined he'd be my teammate in the NFL.

"I've seen so many amazing things from him. His patience as a cornerback is one of the hardest things to do. He never seems rattled. He never seems scared or worried. It's just amazing to see him work out there. He's a hard worker. No matter what it is -- extra film work, you name it -- he's willing to do it. Just watching him practice, his feet and his ability to cover -- even at his age -- it's crazy, man.

"We'll be in meetings, watching film, and the ball will be nowhere near his side. You'll see guys in the room, whispering, 'Man, oh, man.' Here's what I mean: The quarterback will roll in the other direction and [Revis] knows the ball isn't coming to him. He's still white on rice. He's covering the man like the ball is coming to him every single play. He doesn't take a play off -- ever.

"His pre-snap reads are amazing. He knows what he's about to get before the snap of the ball. A lot of people probably don't realize that. It puts him in the best position. He knows the route based on certain formations and where they are on the field ... and he takes it away immediately. He takes away half the work just by his alignment.

"He is who he is. To watch him do it consistently, every day, that's the type of player I want to be one day. It's not just Monday or Thursday. Throughout the whole week, he's Revis."

The Old Coach

Retired coach Mike Westhoff was an NFL assistant for 30 years, coaching special teams for the Miami Dolphins and Jets. He worked for the Jets during Revis' first tour with the team, 2007 to 2012. Westhoff, an ESPN radio analyst, has been observing practice this week.

"I've been around some great players, including [Dan] Marino, and I can say that Revis works as hard in practice as any player I've ever seen. He wants to win on every play. I remember when Rex [Ryan] used to have the defensive walk-through. Rex played quarterback and he'd throw his passes. Revis wouldn't let Rex complete any passes even in his little walk-through.

"Watching practice, I've noticed that Revis is the only guy, when he gets called for a penalty, who goes up to the officials and asks for an explanation. Instead of yelling and complaining, he wants to know why he got called. That tells me a lot about him.

"If you're grading practice, he'd get a 93, 94 maybe a 98. He never loses. He hates to lose. The really, really good ones -- the great ones, like Peyton Manning -- they have that mentality. If I had to pick a singular reason for New England winning the Super Bowl, it would be [Revis]. He allowed them to play a style of defense they hadn't played in 10 years. They're going to miss him."

The General Manager

Mike Maccagnan, in one of his first moves with the Jets, signed Revis to a five-year, $70 million contract.

"Obviously, we thought he was one of the best players in free agency. Everybody we spoke to about him, they all said the same thing: a very good worker and a pro's pro. I probably underestimated what an influence he'd have on [the defensive backs]. We knew he was a guy we'd want to get back in here, but the way he has imparted that positive energy, not just as a player, but his persona ... his work ethic ... We expected it when we signed him, but I probably underestimated how impactful he'd be.

"The first few days, we saw Brandon [Marshall] match up with Cro. They had a very good dialogue; they were chirping back and forth. Then it got around to Revis and Brandon, and I felt when that happened, it was a different sort of level. Obviously, it was a very good matchup, very exciting to see, but just the feeling at practice -- I don't know, it was just an organic thing.

"It's his presence on the field. It's kind of weird. There's more confidence in the group. I wasn't here last year, but just sensing it, that's something that really comes through. It's hard to quantify. There's just a different feeling out there. I knew he was one of the better players in recent Jets history, but Revis has impacted the whole group. In reality, in the previous season, they had a lot of struggles back there. Now, all of a sudden, it's a whole different game."

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"[Revis] is a humble guy, he's to himself, but he speaks up. Him and Cro talk a lot in the room. They're the leaders of the room. They're talking a lot, but not as much as us young guys, because we're asking questions -- the questions they already know. They're correcting us -- the questions we ask and the mistakes we're making on the field."

1st I've ever read that he gives a rats ass about younger players.  Throughout the locker room strife while he's been here, never heard of him stepping up to unify the group.  Doesn't mean he didn't do so, just never heard it.  

Good to know.  One question: So where was his leadership last season when the clubhouse desperately needed some?  <crickets>

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2 hours ago, Rangers9 said:

I think they should cut him unless he is willing to renegotiate his deal downwards. But not screw him and try to keep the remaining money on his contract. It legally would probably he hard to do and not worth the bad publicity and anger from other players. If you want to build an org that has the trust and respect of NFL players and the player's union you don't go after someone who had one legal problem in his entire NFL career. So pay him the 6 mil and let him walk. I don't know why fans are interested in this kind of thing. It saves Woody money not us. 

It's cap space, no one cares about woody money 

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1 hour ago, kelly said:

..The Jets Probably Won’t Be Able to Void Darrelle Revis’ Cap Hit No Matter What Happens

In the last day, much discussion has been focused on Jets cornerback Darrelle Revis for reasons that are understandable. He has been charged with multiple felonies.Questions have followed about how this could impact his contract situation. Revis has $6 million guaranteed for 2017. Could it now be in jeopardy?

First of all, it is important to note how far away we are from that even being a viable possibility. Revis has been charged, but charges are accusations. Defendants are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, and we know none of the facts of what took place.Even if the case was to follow the scenario where the Jets could conceivably seek to recoup the money, it is very difficult to envision that actually happening.

Darryl Slater looked into Revis’ contract and found it is theoretically possible depending upon the outcome of this case.

The deal states Revis could be in default of his contract -- and have all of his 2017 guaranteed pay wiped out -- if he is "fined or suspended by the NFL or Club for Conduct Detrimental" or "fined or suspended for violation of the NFL Personal Conduct Policy" or "engages in personal conduct reasonably judged by Club to adversely affect or reflect on Club."

In a practical sense, though, the timetable simply wouldn’t work for this to happen no matter the outcome of Revis’ legal matter.The league is unlikely to act until the case is resolved. Nobody knows the facts of the case so that last clause about personal conduct cannot be used until the facts are known. They probably won’t be known until later in the process.The process is unlikely to conclude before March 9, which is the first day of the league year. That is when teams can start using their salary cap space to sign free agents.

Slater and Florio both note that if the Jets cut Revis, they would lose any right to recoup that $6 million.The Jets will almost certainly cut Revis before March 9, though. Doing so creates over $7 million in new cap space. If the Jets hold onto Revis past March 9, he still counts against the cap. That is $7 million and change the team cannot use to upgrade the roster. All of this would be to try and regain money when the team will have no idea whether it has a chance to regain it at all.I know people are going to focus on that last “engages in personal conduct” part, but there’s little chance the Jets will have the type of information they would theoretically need by March 9. And having him clogging the cap space by waiting for this to play out would be silly for a lot of reasons.

The bottom line is the timeline doesn’t match up for the Jets to get that money back no matter what happens.

>   http://www.ganggreennation.com/2017/2/17/14654244/the-jets-probably-wont-be-able-to-void-darrelle-revis-cap-hit-no-matter-what-happens

Then these two need to go back to school and learn how to add and subtract (or just be able to read). It creates $9m in new cap space, not $7m, since Revis is due $9m in new money that would not get paid ($9m above the $6m guaranteed amount).

However it's done (directly or indirectly) they save $9m by cutting Revis. They could designate him a June 1 cut and save $9m directly. Or they just cut him regular right now, clear $7m now, but that way also clears $2m next year; $7m + $2m = $9m (i.e. to clear all $9m this year the team would then restructure someone else to the tune of $2m so it hits later rather than now, and indirectly clear the same $9m that way. The net to next year is $0: $2m more for the restructured player, but $2m less for Revis. Zero.). 

This doesn't take into account the possibility that someone else signs him. His minimum salary would be $1m, so even if he accepted only that small amount, it would offset. So if he plays for another team next year then it clears no less than $10m to cut him. 

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The Jets were on their way to cutting him anyway.   This makes it easier.

There are 3 more weeks to figure out where he stands   

if he looks guilty, suspend him for conduct detrimental, and then cut him.  But don't assume you are saving the 6mm.  If Revis can play legally in 2017 the Jets owe that money, maybe with interest.   The NFLPA will fight this.  If the Jets cut him and he is suspended but they still pay him, they are idiots.   They need to preserve their position.

He was supposed to be training, not drinking at 2 in the morning.  He is more trouble than he is worth.  

My personal view is that he was out drinking with his entourage, these clowns harassed him, he did not want to be video'd out late/drunk, and his buddy who is likely a trained fighter of sorts stepped in and knocked them both out.   You don't knock someone out and not damage your own hand.  Revis' hands will be clean.   He gets off but is reputation is further sullied.   

The Jets just need to preserve their position and move on from this jerk.   

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18 minutes ago, Joe Jets fan said:

It's cap space, no one cares about woody money 

Discussions like this have always been about the salary cap, no matter how many have tried to paint it as owner vs player pocketing more money. The simple math is every dollar spent on any player is a dollar less to spend on another. Fewer dollars left to spend on other players means fewer dollars to put towards building a winner.

If there was no salary cap no one disconnected to Woody Johnson would possibly give a crap how many additional (or fewer) millions he has on top of his other billions.

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Just now, varjet said:

The Jets were on their way to cutting him anyway.   This makes it easier.

There are 3 more weeks to figure out where he stands   

if he looks guilty, suspend him for conduct detrimental, and then cut him.  But don't assume you are saving the 6mm.  If Revis can play legally in 2017 the Jets owe that money, maybe with interest.   The NFLPA will fight this.  If the Jets cut him and he is suspended but they still pay him, they are idiots.   They need to preserve their position.

He was supposed to be training, not drinking at 2 in the morning.  He is more trouble than he is worth.  

My personal view is that he was out drinking with his entourage, these clowns harassed him, he did not want to be video'd out late/drunk, and his buddy who is likely a trained fighter of sorts stepped in and knocked them both out.   You don't knock someone out and not damage your own hand.  Revis' hands will be clean.   He gets off but is reputation is further sullied.   

The Jets just need to preserve their position and move on from this jerk.   

The first line is the truth.

Funny thing is this might, in Revis's eyes, make him even less attractive to other teams. Therefore he may be more amenable to a larger pay cut than a week earlier, and the team may end up keeping this player that would have otherwise been a sure cut. Especially if the team then reciprocates by standing by Revis in the press.

I still think he ends up getting cut, but this may muddy the result in the opposite way people think.

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18 minutes ago, Dcat said:

1st I've ever read that he gives a rats ass about younger players.  Throughout the locker room strife while he's been here, never heard of him stepping up to unify the group.  Doesn't mean he didn't do so, just never heard it.  

Good to know.  One question: So where was his leadership last season when the clubhouse desperately needed some?  <crickets>

I hear you and IMO I think Revis stank last year plain and simple and was the main reason why the Jets defense was so putrid.

Revis was supposed to anchor that defensive secondary and he was a literal sive last year.  Yes he was older but he was out of shape and didn't prepare because of his wrist injury.  

I don't believe that Revis even believes that he is an outstanding corner anymore, hence his leaks that he is willing to move to Safety.  Now whether the Jets do that or not is something they have to  decide and it is and will be a tough decision.

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36 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said:

I hear you and IMO I think Revis stank last year plain and simple and was the main reason why the Jets defense was so putrid.

Revis was supposed to anchor that defensive secondary and he was a literal sive last year.  Yes he was older but he was out of shape and didn't prepare because of his wrist injury.  

I don't believe that Revis even believes that he is an outstanding corner anymore, hence his leaks that he is willing to move to Safety.  Now whether the Jets do that or not is something they have to  decide and it is and will be a tough decision.

CB, I think the bolded and underlined contentions above, which I've heard others use, is one of the biggest pantload of bullcrap any Jet has tried to feed us in quite some time.  A $15 million per year player just doesn't come in out of shape.  The wrist injury will prevent some forms of lifting/training, but he could surely use his legs, abs and keep himself in shape.  Face it, Revis loafed this past off-season and bilked the Jets in 2016 for an 8 digit pay day.  And we are supposed to show our appreciation to him?  I don't think so.

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1 hour ago, Dcat said:

CB, I think the bolded and underlined contentions above, which I've heard others use, is one of the biggest pantload of bullcrap any Jet has tried to feed us in quite some time.  A $15 million per year player just doesn't come in out of shape.  The wrist injury will prevent some forms of lifting/training, but he could surely use his legs, abs and keep himself in shape.  Face it, Revis loafed this past off-season and bilked the Jets in 2016 for an 8 digit pay day.  And we are supposed to show our appreciation to him?  I don't think so.

And you know its a pantload of BS how?  How does anyone not associated with Revis or the Jets know?  It ridiculous to think that if the contract is large then an injured player could rehab himself into shape to appease us.  Like when C Martin, who also has a legendary off season work out program and was limited one offseason due to injuty.  Just doesnt work that way because we would like it to.  Most of the BS is the talk about him being lazy, something no one has ever called him.  And of course that he bilked anyone into paying him.  

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15 minutes ago, Joe Jets fan said:

So just so we are clear, you want to give up the cap space because Regis was good years ago?   

No. He has a contract and  the Jets should honor it. Not look for an excuse to screw him on it.  If they play these games with players it will come back to bite us. I'm not even sure it would clear that 6 mil in cap space but even if it does it's not the right way to operate as a team. And the guy has been an all time Jets player. This is his first even infraction with the law and I'm sure we'll hear his side of the story. One thing for sure don't mess with him. He knocked out two guys cold. I didn't know he was that tough a customer.

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13 hours ago, HighPitch said:

Regis gets a lot of sh*t but he's never created a controversy, talked smack or has been a dick

 

just because he was well paid? And Father Time caught up to him? It is what it is just cut him, pay him and move on

I got a lollipop for you

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34 minutes ago, Rangers9 said:

No. He has a contract and  the Jets should honor it. Not look for an excuse to screw him on it.  If they play these games with players it will come back to bite us. I'm not even sure it would clear that 6 mil in cap space but even if it does it's not the right way to operate as a team. And the guy has been an all time Jets player. This is his first even infraction with the law and I'm sure we'll hear his side of the story. One thing for sure don't mess with him. He knocked out two guys cold. I didn't know he was that tough a customer.

Lol. That's funny.   He signed a contract that contained a clause that says the Jets can void his contract if he commits an act that embarrasses the Jets.  "I am paraphrasing" so the Jets should honor that part of his contract and void it. 

He has not been an all time great, he has been a selfish person who always did for him, not the team. 

If Revis had any class he would retire and save the Jets from having to do anything, but we all know Revis will never walk away from a red cent.   Because that's what he is all about. 

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2 hours ago, Joe Jets fan said:

So just so we are clear, you want to give up the cap space because Regis was good years ago?   

To be clear, he signed a contract and the Jets owe him money.  How much depends if he's released or not. 

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1 hour ago, Joe Jets fan said:

Lol. That's funny.   He signed a contract that contained a clause that says the Jets can void his contract if he commits an act that embarrasses the Jets.  "I am paraphrasing" so the Jets should honor that part of his contract and void it. 

He has not been an all time great, he has been a selfish person who always did for him, not the team. 

If Revis had any class he would retire and save the Jets from having to do anything, but we all know Revis will never walk away from a red cent.   Because that's what he is all about. 

And how the F do you prove he acting in any way, shape or form badly?  He walks in and tells a story that he was harassed, attacked, whatever and then what?  Jets lawyers tell him he should have take it or taken a beating if needed.  There's no way of proving what happened and you know they're never proving what he did was wrong or emabarrassed the team.  

No point in saying he hasn't been an all time great CB.  Some Jets fans will repeat it over and over again to justify the story they're selling.  You won't find anyone who agrees.  He's been a top CB

Then again the tried and true, "if he had any class" is funny.  Start with how many would walk away from 15mil.  Move forward to maybe he doesn't want to retire after a miserable season.  It's always interesting that fans carry on about a player who should quit and save the team money because to take the money is classless.  Logic at its finest.  As if it's a players responsibility to save an owner from spending his money, becoming classy.

Fact is they're probably not going to be able to void his contract, even if possible never happens before 3/9 or whatever date he gets his bonus and contract kicks in.  NFL won't do a thing, at best, until the police finish their investigation and we know how slow that will go.  More than likely forcing Jets to cut him before the 9th

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2 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

And how the F do you prove he acting in any way, shape or form badly?  He walks in and tells a story that he was harassed, attacked, whatever and then what?  Jets lawyers tell him he should have take it or taken a beating if needed.  There's no way of proving what happened and you know they're never proving what he did was wrong or emabarrassed the team.  

Only the clueless believe he hasn't been an all time great CB.  Some Jets fans will repeat it over and over again to justify the story they're selling.  You won't find 

Then again, the,tried and true, "if he had any class" is funny.  Start with how many would walk away from 15mil.  Move forward to maybe he doesn't want to retire after a miserable season.  It's always interesting that fans carry on about a player who should quit and save the team money because to take the money is classless.  Logic at its finest.  As if it's a players responsibility to save an owner from spending his money 

Excellant post. 

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2 hours ago, Rangers9 said:

No. He has a contract and  the Jets should honor it. Not look for an excuse to screw him on it.  If they play these games with players it will come back to bite us. I'm not even sure it would clear that 6 mil in cap space but even if it does it's not the right way to operate as a team. And the guy has been an all time Jets player. This is his first even infraction with the law and I'm sure we'll hear his side of the story. One thing for sure don't mess with him. He knocked out two guys cold. I didn't know he was that tough a customer.

The above post is comical.  With Revis' second hold out, (1st holdout was after the draft  when there was no contract yet) he had a contract and refused to honor it.  He chose to screw the Jets with that holdout, clearly in breach of the contract he agreed to, and Tannenbaum/Rex eventually caved as we all witnessed.  He was obviously going to do it again with a 3rd holdout a couple of years later, so the Jets lucked out getting good draft picks from Tampa Bay in a trade.  

So let me get this straight:  It's fine for Revis to breach his side of any contract, but its not OK for the team to use the terms of said same exact contract to relieve itself of fiscal responsibility...  the relief of which was agreed to by Revis when he signed the darned contract?

Hypocritical much?   

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2 minutes ago, Dcat said:

this is comical.  With Revis' second hold out, (1st holdout was after the draft  when there was no contract yet) he had a contract and refused to honor it.  He chose to screw the Jets with that holdout and Tannenbaum/Rex eventually caved as we all witnessed.  He was obviously going to do it again with a 3rd holdout a couple of years later, so the jets lucked out getting good draft picks from Tampa Bay in a trade.  

So let me get this straight:  It's fine for Revis to breach his side of any contract, but its not OK for the team to use the terms of said same exact contract to relieve itself of fiscal responsibility...  the relief of which was agreed to by Revis when he signed the darned contract?

Hypocritical much?   

Jets tried to screw Revis and have him sign a rookie deal that gave the team control over Revis another year, not allowing him to hit Free agency in the same time frame as others.  The players association would have skewered him if he agreed to that deal and set precedence.  He did hold out later when his contract did leave him underpaid, despite all the Internet GMs who think he wasn't good back then.  We all know that most superstar players at a position are usually hugely underpaid by the last year of their rookie deal and if they're that good renegotiate their rookie deals.  

The hypocritical aspect is closer to a player is injured or never develops and is cut without being paid the full term of his deal.  

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1 hour ago, Joe Jets fan said:

Lol. That's funny.   He signed a contract that contained a clause that says the Jets can void his contract if he commits an act that embarrasses the Jets.  "I am paraphrasing" so the Jets should honor that part of his contract and void it. 

He has not been an all time great, he has been a selfish person who always did for him, not the team. 

If Revis had any class he would retire and save the Jets from having to do anything, but we all know Revis will never walk away from a red cent.   Because that's what he is all about. 

You're confusing Revis with D'Brick who played soft to protect his health for 10 years and quit when grossly overpaid and facing a contract restructure to help the team.

Revis was pure guts and game. Risked his health and future well-being on every snap. Expensive? Yes, but he put it on the field.  

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On 2/19/2017 at 11:37 AM, Jet Nut said:

Jets tried to screw Revis and have him sign a rookie deal that gave the team control over Revis another year, not allowing him to hit Free agency in the same time frame as others.  The players association would have skewered him if he agreed to that deal and set precedence.  He did hold out later when his contract did leave him underpaid, despite all the Internet GMs who think he wasn't good back then.  We all know that most superstar players at a position are usually hugely underpaid by the last year of their rookie deal and if they're that good renegotiate their rookie deals.  

The hypocritical aspect is closer to a player is injured or never develops and is cut without being paid the full term of his deal.  

 I see nothing wrong with the Jets trying to recoup the $6 million guaranteed. Nothing at all.  Revis himself would do the same if the tables were turned.  The $6 million guarantee is nothing more than a side issue.  The real issue is whether it is worth the extra $9 million non guarnteed money to keep Revis around another season.  None of us here should really care about the other $6 million.  Sure it hurts the 2017 cap, but the Jets will survive.  It's not the end of the world for the Jets to lose that $6 million.

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43 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Jets tried to screw Revis and have him sign a rookie deal that gave the team control over Revis another year, not allowing him to hit Free agency in the same time frame as others.  The players association would have skewered him if he agreed to that deal and set precedence.  He did hold out later when his contract did leave him underpaid, despite all the Internet GMs who think he wasn't good back then.  We all know that most superstar players at a position are usually hugely underpaid by the last year of their rookie deal and if they're that good renegotiate their rookie deals.  

The hypocritical aspect is closer to a player is injured or never develops and is cut without being paid the full term of his deal.  

So your saying only the team has to honor a contract?   

 

So so you don't think getting charged with four felonys is not an embarrassment?    Let me guess, you hate cops and think they all make stuff up?   If there is no evidence you don't get arrested.  

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20 hours ago, Joe Jets fan said:

So your saying only the team has to honor a contract?   

 

So so you don't think getting charged with four felonys is not an embarrassment?    Let me guess, you hate cops and think they all make stuff up?   If there is no evidence you don't get arrested.  

Where did I say only the team has to honor a contract?  

Getting charged with a crime in your world proves someone is guilty?  People charged are automatically guilty and have to begin paying for their crimes in a week or two?   Hate cops?  Because they've never, ever charged the wrong party?  People accused of crimes never are cleared of any wrongdoing.  Talk about missing the point 

  

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