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Breakdown of Pat Mahomes by Bucky Brooks, what I found interesting was the mindset of play
callers when dealing with a mobile QB (paragraph bolded):

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000786316/article/move-the-sticks-notes-best-nfl-draft-strategy-for-browns-titans

 

QB prospect worthy of the hype? Texas Tech's Patrick Mahomes has generated plenty of buzz in league circles, but he remains one of the most challenging evaluations in the 2017 draft class. The 6-foot-3, 230-pound gunslinger is unquestionably one of the most talented passers in the draft after passing for more than 11,000 yards and 93 touchdowns with only 29 interceptions in three seasons. Although the Red Raiders' Air Raid system certainly makes statistical stars out of every field general that steps behind the center, Mahomes' impressive combination of arm talent and athleticism gives him a legitimate shot of becoming a franchise quarterback at the next level.

 

 

"He definitely has the tools to be a No. 1," said an NFC scout. "He's big and athletic with big-time arm talent. I know his numbers are inflated but he can make all of the throws. I think the kid can play. ... I like him a lot!"

Despite the effusive praise being lavished on Mahomes, I believe evaluators face quite a dilemma when assessing his talent and potential. While there's no disputing his physical skills, there are certainly valid concerns regarding his ability to master a pro scheme after thriving in a system that allowed him to throw 40-plus times each week. Sure, the reps help the quarterback master the art of throwing the ball, but the simple reads and pick-and-stick throws associated with the scheme don't necessarily translate to the pro game. Thus, a team willing to take on Mahomes should consider him a developmental prospect and map out a long-term plan to help him grow into the position.

Considering those factors alone, I was a little surprised to hear my colleague Ian Rapoport tell the Setting The Edge podcast that several people have pegged Mahomes as their "favorite quarterback" in the draft. Now, I definitely understand how evaluators fall in love with prospects based on their natural talents and athleticism, but quarterbacks are evaluated differently due to the rigorous demands of the position, particularly from a mental standpoint. In the NFL, the quarterback is the de facto CEO of the team and he must possess the leadership skills, aptitude, and diagnostic skills to direct an offense between the lines.

Considering how the quarterback is viewed as the joystick for the offensive coordinator in the video-game-like Air Raid system, there are valid concerns regarding Mahomes' ability to assimilate into a pro-style scheme. Remember, there haven't been many NFL success stories in the Air Raid tree (Washington State, Texas Tech and Cal) despite the gaudy resumes of the field generals that have starred in the system. Sure, Jared Goff was the No. 1 overall pick in the 2016 draft, but the football world is still waiting to see if he eventually cuts the mustard as a franchise quarterback. That's why there is some hesitation in anointing Mahomes as one of the top prospects due to the repeated failures of his predecessors from the system.

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After studying the tape of Mahomes' game, I believe his shoddy footwork and mechanics might trump the concerns about his ability to master concepts of an NFL scheme. Mahomes rarely takes a traditional drop in the pocket and his penchant for throwing balls while fading away or from a flat-foot platform leads to wayward throws down the field. In a league where accuracy is coveted at a premium, Mahomes' inconsistent mechanics could lead to a number of turnovers on tips and overthrows.

While watching a "sandlot" playmaker deliver a few splash plays on tape is tantalizing, it's hard for a play caller to work with an improvisational specialist at the position when attempting to build winning game plans. Offensive coordinators prefer to take a systematic approach akin to a chess match when picking apart defenses from the press box (or sidelines) and it's challenging to stick to the script when the QB1 is at his best throwing alley oops at the end of scrambles. Now, that statement isn't meant to discredit Mahomes' talent as a big, athletic gunslinger, but his style of play doesn't necessarily fit structured systems that expect the quarterback to hit his designated receivers on time after going through his progressions.

With that in mind, I'm still having a tough time envisioning Mahomes as a top-tier quarterback prospect despite his natural talents and potential. -- Bucky Brooks

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I am on Mahomes bandwagon. Pick him if he is there at #6. Play him right away. If he turns out franchise QB in 2 years, fine. If not, who cares? We didn't win a Superbowl in 48 years anyway. Pick the next highest QB prospect in 2 years. Rinse and repeat until we find our franchise QB. I don'tr have a lot of years to live. 

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8 minutes ago, Fibonacci said:

I am on Mahomes bandwagon. Pick him if he is there at #6. Play him right away. If he turns out franchise QB in 2 years, fine. If not, who cares? We didn't win a Superbowl in 48 years anyway. Pick the next highest QB prospect in 2 years. Rinse and repeat until we find our franchise QB. I don'tr have a lot of years to live. 

Mahomes would be the best QB on the roster if we draft him. 

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so mahomes is another qb this year worth a look.  but note the cautions.  he has bad mechanics and he's from a chuck and duck offense.  what's good about him is being a 3 year starter.  but don't we already have a guy who has bad mechanics and was a three year starter in hack?  and petty also came from a chuck and duck system.

i'm not going to claim i know enough about a qb's mechanics but it sure looked to me like favre used to throw off of any foot that happened to be handy so maybe this mechanic aspect is a little overblown.  imo the qb has got to be able to lead first.  most of the guys playing at this level have the physical ability and even the accuracy.

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2 hours ago, Fibonacci said:

I am on Mahomes bandwagon. Pick him if he is there at #6. Play him right away. If he turns out franchise QB in 2 years, fine. If not, who cares? We didn't win a Superbowl in 48 years anyway. Pick the next highest QB prospect in 2 years. Rinse and repeat until we find our franchise QB. I don'tr have a lot of years to live. 

My feelings exactly. It's not like we've been having great luck doing the usual safe drafting. Minus well try an extreme approach

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3 hours ago, Fibonacci said:

I am on Mahomes bandwagon. Pick him if he is there at #6. Play him right away. If he turns out franchise QB in 2 years, fine. If not, who cares? We didn't win a Superbowl in 48 years anyway. Pick the next highest QB prospect in 2 years. Rinse and repeat until we find our franchise QB. I don'tr have a lot of years to live. 

Because next year's class is loaded and Mahomes isn't considered to be truly be worth a second round pick, let alone a first.  Why should we skip next year's loaded class and blow a first round pick and at least two years commitment on a kid like that.  Most people don't even see him as draftable in a class that doesn't suck like this one.  Anyone who would even THINK about drafting him top 10 in the 1st is truly insane.  

 

3 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

Mahomes would be the best QB on the roster if we draft him. 

No he wouldn't. 

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6 hours ago, rangerous said:

but don't we already have a guy who has bad mechanics and was a three year starter in hack?  

Hack + bad mechanics = inaccurate

Mahomes + bad mechanics = still accurate

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9 hours ago, Tinstar said:

Give me Trubisky  or Watson and if not them, I wait and spend a last day pick last round on Patrick Towles .

can't say i'd darft a qb early but in the late rounds i'd go for peterman.

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I would be shocked if Mac takes him at 6. I don't know about taking him at 6, but I like Mahomes. I just don't see Mac taking a chance on him early since he already took Hack as a project QB. If Mac thinks he is the guy and takes him early or later in the first then good for him as that would be a move that takes balls. 

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3 hours ago, rangerous said:

can't say i'd darft a qb early but in the late rounds i'd go for peterman.

Why not if I may be so bold as to ask. There's a thread on here listing the Jets roster, and from that roster, 4 QBs are listed with 2 of them expected to be removed from the team by the start of OTAs .  Of those 4 QBs, how many of them would you say know the offense John Morton is about to implement  ?  John Morton is a 1st time OC, and has never be in command of an offensive team before, so to my knowledge, there's no tape out there to watch .  If your answer is the same as mine, them what does it matter who the staring QB will be ?

I say draft a QB, either early or late, add a veteran to the room as a sounding board for the kids and throw them out there . It's college all over again, and let us see who wants this job and is willing to put in the work .  

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People think a Watson or Trubinski isn't worthy of the 6th pick but want this guy at 6? And have just to move into the top starting spot?  From day one?  Sight unseen?  

LOL.  

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I am not certain of this, but I believe the OTAs start before the draft . If this is so, then if Petty and Hack or the expected vet is not that much further ahead of the new rookie, then none of them are worthy of the starting  job . We need to add 2 more QBs, and 1 of them should be a veteran

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42 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

I am not certain of this, but I believe the OTAs start before the draft .

Yes - but these are just workout programs, aren't they?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000677028/article/important-nfl-dates-for-201617

April 3: Clubs that hired a new head coach after the end of the 2016 regular season may begin offseason workout programs.

April 17: Clubs with returning head coaches may begin offseason workout programs.

April 21: Deadline for Restricted Free Agents to sign Offer Sheets.

April 26: Deadline for prior club to exercise Right of First Refusal to Restricted Free Agents.

April 27-29: NFL Draft (site TBD).

 

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19 hours ago, Fibonacci said:

I am on Mahomes bandwagon. Pick him if he is there at #6. Play him right away. If he turns out franchise QB in 2 years, fine. If not, who cares? We didn't win a Superbowl in 48 years anyway. Pick the next highest QB prospect in 2 years. Rinse and repeat until we find our franchise QB. I don'tr have a lot of years to live. 

You suggest drafting a QB and giving them two years before reloading.  We have drafted QB's the last two years that we still don't know about.  How about this being the year we take a pass and assess the guys we have and then possibly draft one next year when there is more talent?

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2 minutes ago, thshadow said:

Yes - but these are just workout programs, aren't they?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000677028/article/important-nfl-dates-for-201617

April 3: Clubs that hired a new head coach after the end of the 2016 regular season may begin offseason workout programs.

April 17: Clubs with returning head coaches may begin offseason workout programs.

April 21: Deadline for Restricted Free Agents to sign Offer Sheets.

April 26: Deadline for prior club to exercise Right of First Refusal to Restricted Free Agents.

April 27-29: NFL Draft (site TBD).

 

I believe you to be right . These I believe are strength and conditioning and I further think the coaches are not allowed contact with the players. By coaches, I believe the strength and conditioning coaches are exempt .

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9 minutes ago, nicg4360 said:

These OTA's may be the deciding factors on the fate of Bryce Petty and/or Hack.

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yep.  what happen if petty is still injured? it means hack gets the attention.  good or bad at least there will be an assessment of hack.

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yep.  what happen if petty is still injured? it means hack gets the attention.  good or bad at least there will be an assessment of hack.

Not only will they have an assessment but it will maybe be what they use to determine what direction they go into the draft...If they do indeed need to take a QB high or wait.

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9 minutes ago, nicg4360 said:

These OTA's may be the deciding factors on the fate of Bryce Petty and/or Hack.

Sent from my HTC One_M8 using JetNation.com mobile app
 

As should be case  .  Whoever is the worst performer between Hack and Petty should be headed to  the practice with the other being the 3rd string behind the starter and hopefully the Veteran .  Best case scenario would be for one of these guys Hack /Petty to win the Job, giving the new recruit a chance to sit and learn . In 2018, the vet is released, the competition is renewed and a new recruit is brought into the fold .  This way you have assets for trade, and a potential successor just in case one is needed or a quality backup .

Let's say Hack win s the competition in 2017, and the Jets draft Trubisky or whoever you prefer . Lets also say the vet signed was McCown and Petty go to the Practice squad . In 2018, McCown is released, Hack becomes the Vet and the competition is renewed .   Hack is the Vet, Trubisky is the challenger and a decision on resigning Petty is due . We also have the draft and the incoming  recruit  to bring up to speed .  The player who takes this job and runs away with it will not put an end to the rotating door of QBs that come in, because of the value of the position within the league .    This is the 1 position in football where you can use an asset to rob a team bling of draft picks .

We are squabbling about what we will get for what many consider a quality talent in Sheldon Richardson . while average QBs are getting paid Millions snd teams are trading away multiple draft picks for un proven QBs who had a decent half month .

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20 hours ago, Fibonacci said:

I am on Mahomes bandwagon. Pick him if he is there at #6. Play him right away. If he turns out franchise QB in 2 years, fine. If not, who cares? We didn't win a Superbowl in 48 years anyway. Pick the next highest QB prospect in 2 years. Rinse and repeat until we find our franchise QB. I don'tr have a lot of years to live. 

You suggest drafting a QB and giving them two years before reloading.  We have drafted QB's the last two years that we still don't know about.  How about this being the year we take a pass and assess the guys we have and then possibly draft one next year when there is more talent?

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2016 NFL Draft – Christian Hackenberg Scouting Report

One of the most highly touted high school prospects since Andrew Luck, Christian Hackenberg arrived on Penn State’s campus with huge expectations. After a promising freshman year where he won the starting quarterback job and led the Nittany Lions to a 7-5 record, the bar was set high for the young QB. Unfortunately, Hackenberg never took that next step and is now viewed as a 3rd-5th round prospect.

  • Name: Christian Hackenberg  
  • School: Pennsylvania State University   
  • Position: QB
  • Height: 6’4″   
  • Weight: 223
  • Career Stats: 8457 YDS, 48 TD, 31 INT

 

Combine Results

  • 40 Yard Dash: 4.78 seconds
  • 3 Cone Drill: 7.04 seconds
  • Vertical Jump: 31.0 inches
  • Broad Jump: 114.0 inches

Strengths: Ideal size for the position. Has a cannon for an arm and can make every throw imaginable. Capable of completing jaw dropping throws. Top 3 deep ball thrower in this draft class. Stays light on his feet and has nearly perfect footwork in his dropbacks. Decent athlete and can cause some damage with his legs. Flashed the ability to read the defense and go through his progressions to find an open receiver. Won’t back down in the face of pressure and will stand tall in the pocket to deliver the ball. One of the toughest players I’ve ever watched as he consistently was subject to punishment from defenders but never stayed down. Durable player as he never missed a game in his three years at Penn State. Experienced in a pro-style offense and is comfortable taking snaps from under center. Demonstrated great leadership abilities all throughout his collegiate career starting with his commitment to attend Penn State after the Sandusky scandals and was a two time team captain. Reports coming from the NFL Combine interviews said teams were blown away by his football IQ.

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8 minutes ago, jetrider said:

2016 NFL Draft – Christian Hackenberg Scouting Report

One of the most highly touted high school prospects since Andrew Luck, Christian Hackenberg arrived on Penn State’s campus with huge expectations. After a promising freshman year where he won the starting quarterback job and led the Nittany Lions to a 7-5 record, the bar was set high for the young QB. Unfortunately, Hackenberg never took that next step and is now viewed as a 3rd-5th round prospect.

  • Name: Christian Hackenberg  
  • School: Pennsylvania State University   
  • Position: QB
  • Height: 6’4″   
  • Weight: 223
  • Career Stats: 8457 YDS, 48 TD, 31 INT

 

Combine Results

  • 40 Yard Dash: 4.78 seconds
  • 3 Cone Drill: 7.04 seconds
  • Vertical Jump: 31.0 inches
  • Broad Jump: 114.0 inches

Strengths: Ideal size for the position. Has a cannon for an arm and can make every throw imaginable. Capable of completing jaw dropping throws. Top 3 deep ball thrower in this draft class. Stays light on his feet and has nearly perfect footwork in his dropbacks. Decent athlete and can cause some damage with his legs. Flashed the ability to read the defense and go through his progressions to find an open receiver. Won’t back down in the face of pressure and will stand tall in the pocket to deliver the ball. One of the toughest players I’ve ever watched as he consistently was subject to punishment from defenders but never stayed down. Durable player as he never missed a game in his three years at Penn State. Experienced in a pro-style offense and is comfortable taking snaps from under center. Demonstrated great leadership abilities all throughout his collegiate career starting with his commitment to attend Penn State after the Sandusky scandals and was a two time team captain. Reports coming from the NFL Combine interviews said teams were blown away by his football IQ.

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