Jetdawgg Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 11 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: BM also has no guaranteed money though. It makes him the easy pick out of the two. And while I agree on looking towards the future and getting picks..we still need a proven guy out there catching balls. I understand the thought about the proven guy. Decker was injured most of last season and could have some difficulties in PS this year. He is questionable IMO. Trade em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnknownJetFan Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 OK, no excuses now. Everyone says we need the 4 big positions the most QB, Edge rusher OLB, CB, and LT. Get them all with the 1st, 2nd, and 2 3rds that you got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Can probably deal this bad boy for Nick Folk if we're lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 23 minutes ago, Dcat said: He released Jenkins a day before the deadline so he no longer counted as a "qualified" UFA acquisition. Had he not released Jenkins by the deadline, we would have zero comp picks intead of the one. Ok, that's what I kind of figured, but wasn't entirely sure about it, as I can freely admit I don't know all the rules. I just remember the general consensus, by both fans and writers, when this all began being that Maccagnan had blown the pick. It was even more interesting, since at that time, it was his justification for his willingness to trade back into last year's draft for Shell. I had known about the timeline of the date before/after if a signing gets counted at all, but wasn't sure about a cut deadline. Thanks for the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 @dbatesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 If the Jets get my two favorite players in the draft and a developmental LT, and nothing else. I will be ecstatic. L.Fournette S.Jones J.Davenport If the Jets move down and add draft picks for next year or for the middle rounds. I will be equally ecstatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 1 minute ago, PepPep said: If the Jets get my two favorite players in the draft and a developmental LT, and nothing else. I will be ecstatic. L.Fournette S.Jones J.Davenport If the Jets move down and add draft picks for next year or for the middle rounds. I will be equally ecstatic. Why does Sydney Jones stand out for you amongst the Cbs? I really like Tradavious White. I honestly have not seen this Lattimore dude so I can't say anything about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 25 minutes ago, Dcat said: I am amazed at how many 3rd rounders there are this year: 11 Far more 3rds/4ths and fewer 6ths/7ths than usual. Look, I wouldn't be a bonafide Jets fan if I didn't have something to complain about: Why are we getting the 11th of 11 3rd rounders? Why not higher up in that group of 11? Was it Snack's salary? The volume of higher comp picks caught my eye as well. While I know there are some various random items in the calculation, salary always seems to be the top criteria. NFL contracts get bigger by the year, so I'm rather curious if the comp pick calculation hasn't been adjusted to offset for that. With today's "average" deals easily eclipsing the biggest ones in years past, it could explain why those picks keep moving further up. It's also possible teams have started to put a more deliberate effort into planning signings around their comp picks, something that was pretty rare from most teams in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted February 24, 2017 Author Share Posted February 24, 2017 13 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: While I am very pleased with the fact we winded up with a 3rd.. I was also kinda thinking that in my head lol. Why 11th out of 11? Our luck shines in even the smallest of situations. most of the 3rd round comp picks make sense except for Pittsburgh and the 2nd Seattle 3rd rounder. Jets should have been higher than those two at least. Also, Jason predicted a pair of 3rd rounders for Denver, but got just one.: Team Jason's OTC Prediction actual round pick # player lost 2016 salary Mia 3 3 97 Vernon 16,750,000 Car 3 3 98 Norman 15,000,000 Bal 3 3 99 Osemele 11,200,000 LAR 3 3 100 J. Jenkins 12,400,000 Den 3 (two) 3 (one) 101 Osweiler/Malick 18,000,000/14,250,000 Sea 3 3 102 Irvin 9,000,000 Cle 3 3 103 Mack 9,000,000 Kan 3 3 104 Sean Smith 9,250,000 Pit 5 3 105 Beachum 5,000,000 Sea 5 3 106 Sweezey 6,500,000 NYJ 4 3 107 Snacks Harrison 9,000,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 9 minutes ago, T0mShane said: @dbatesman I know, right? Doesn't he know that you can trade comp picks now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 5 minutes ago, UnknownJetFan said: OK, no excuses now. Everyone says we need the 4 big positions the most QB, Edge rusher OLB, CB, and LT. Get them all with the 1st, 2nd, and 2 3rds that you got. No QB. Hack is the future. Fournette, CB, LT, Edge Rusher in THAT order. Fournette is the top talent in this draft. If he's there at 6, hes a no-brainer, to me. Early in the second we should be able to get a CB who can contribute right away and has potential to play on the outside and be a #1. Especially with the depth at CB in this draft class. If Q.Wilson is there, I take him. Early in the 3rd we should be able to get one of the talented developmental LTs in this draft. OT is weak position, but there are some guys with great potential who are simply not polished enough to start. I have no problem taking one of them and filling in the hole at LT with a vet while they learn the position at the NFL level. With this comp pick we can get a pass rush specialist. A guy who may not be balanced but gives the Jets the edge rusher we need. Maybe a guy like Smoot out of Ill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Bleedin Green said: Well I guess that's one thing to give Maccagnan a little credit for. Meh. He only gets "credit" for this because Jarvis Jenkins proved such a horrible UFA signing they couldn't even keep him on the roster for one full season. Does he also get credit for the 3 other compensatory picks he threw in the garbage? The move was still to keep Harrison by extending him in the spring of 2015 instead of blowing over $100m on old players who won't even be on the team in 2017. I'm happy we're getting a 3rd rounder instead of a 4th, but that's as much as I'm happy about with regards to losing Snacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 6 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Why does Sydney Jones stand out for you amongst the Cbs? I really like Tradavious White. I honestly have not seen this Lattimore dude so I can't say anything about him. I am really impressed with his man-cover skills. He mirrors receivers like few CBs I have seen. He has very few weaknesses in his game, very polished technique, fluid hips, quick feet, great recognition, play-making ability, good hands (he can catch). He just has all of those intangibles you look for, all the things you try to teach talented CBs, most of whom are never quite able to pick up. His weaknesses are lack of ideal size and strength. He is listed as 6'0, 180. And he does not have elite speed (we will see what he runs at the combine). But he has solid recovery speed and at 6'0 he has the frame to add muscle mass. I'm not too concerned with his weaknesses but he will probably struggle a bit against big NFL WRs when he first enters the league. He may not be the first CB to be taken in the draft. But I predict he will be the best one to come out of this draft class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted February 24, 2017 Author Share Posted February 24, 2017 4 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: Meh. He only gets "credit" for this because Jarvis Jenkins proved such a horrible UFA signing they couldn't even keep him on the roster for one full season. Does he also get credit for the 3 other compensatory picks he threw in the garbage? The move was still to keep Harrison by extending him in the spring of 2015 instead of blowing over $100m on old players who won't even be on the team in 2017. I'm happy we're getting a 3rd rounder instead of a 4th, but that's as much as I'm happy about with regards to losing Snacks. FWIW, I do like Simon. He has a very good upside and played well. Not a bad replacement for Snacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 11 3rd round comps and Jets have the last one??? What are the 10 FA players considered higher value ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 14 minutes ago, Dcat said: most of the 3rd round comp picks make sense except for Pittsburgh and the 2nd Seattle 3rd rounder. Jets should have been higher than those two at least. Also, Jason predicted a pair of 3rd rounders for Denver, but got just one.: Team Jason's OTC Prediction actual round pick # player lost 2016 salary Mia 3 3 97 Vernon 16,750,000 Car 3 3 98 Norman 15,000,000 Bal 3 3 99 Osemele 11,200,000 LAR 3 3 100 J. Jenkins 12,400,000 Den 3 (two) 3 (one) 101 Osweiler/Malick 18,000,000/14,250,000 Sea 3 3 102 Irvin 9,000,000 Cle 3 3 103 Mack 9,000,000 Kan 3 3 104 Sean Smith 9,250,000 Pit 5 3 105 Beachum 5,000,000 Sea 5 3 106 Sweezey 6,500,000 NYJ 4 3 107 Snacks Harrison 9,000,000 Ok. Mmmm sorta bs on a few but whatevs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: Meh. He only gets "credit" for this because Jarvis Jenkins proved such a horrible UFA signing they couldn't even keep him on the roster for one full season. Does he also get credit for the 3 other compensatory picks he threw in the garbage? The move was still to keep Harrison by extending him in the spring of 2015 instead of blowing over $100m on old players who won't even be on the team in 2017. I'm happy we're getting a 3rd rounder instead of a 4th, but that's as much as I'm happy about with regards to losing Snacks. Don't disagree, thus specifying "a little credit". While some obviously knew better, there's no doubt that the loudest around here were the ones claiming how the pick was already long gone. Yeah, the Jenkins signing obviously was a failure, but paying enough attention to know to do something about it, rather than wasting even more of their time/resources is, very sad to say, better than what we'd all normally expect of the Jets. Certainly not a move of brilliance, but also not as bad as it could have been, and what was expected by many. I'll take it for now, but yes, you're absolutely right that locking up Harrison would have been the better move. Here's hoping the Jets have learned a lesson and we start seeing some new contracts coming up a bit earlier for guys with long-term potential (Enunwa being the one that jumps to mind first). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted February 24, 2017 Author Share Posted February 24, 2017 41 minutes ago, HessStation said: 11 3rd round comps and Jets have the last one??? What are the 10 FA players considered higher value ? Team Jason's OTC Prediction actual round pick # player lost 2016 salary Mia 3 3 97 Vernon 16,750,000 Car 3 3 98 Norman 15,000,000 Bal 3 3 99 Osemele 11,200,000 LAR 3 3 100 J. Jenkins 12,400,000 Den 3 (two) 3 (one) 101 Osweiler/Malick 18,000,000/14,250,000 Sea 3 3 102 Irvin 9,000,000 Cle 3 3 103 Mack 9,000,000 Kan 3 3 104 Sean Smith 9,250,000 Pit 5 3 105 Beachum 5,000,000 Sea 5 3 106 Sweezey 6,500,000 NYJ 4 3 107 Snacks Harrison 9,000,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Just now, Bleedin Green said: Don't disagree, thus specifying "a little credit". While some obviously knew better, there's no doubt that the loudest around here were the ones claiming how the pick was already long gone. Yeah, the Jenkins signing obviously was a failure, but paying enough attention to know to do something about it, rather than wasting even more of their time/resources is, very sad to say, better than what we'd all normally expect of the Jets. Certainly not a move of brilliance, but also not as bad as it could have been, and what was expected by many. I'll take it for now, but yes, you're absolutely right that locking up Harrison would have been the better move. Here's hoping the Jets have learned a lesson and we start seeing some new contracts coming up a bit earlier for guys with long-term potential (Enunwa being the one that jumps to mind first). Well it's his job to know there is a deadline for this, as opposed to some casual fans on a message board. I've been banging the drum to extend Enunwa for some time now, so I certainly agree with you on that one. It's more his pattern to let Enunwa play out his contract, have him play under the RFA tag for 1 more season, and then either franchise tag him or sign him to a $13m/year contract in 2019 when he could have had him locked up for half that or less in 2017. We'll see. I'll be happy to give him full credit/accolades if he extends him this offseason as he should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 19 minutes ago, Dcat said: most of the 3rd round comp picks make sense except for Pittsburgh and the 2nd Seattle 3rd rounder. Jets should have been higher than those two at least. Also, Jason predicted a pair of 3rd rounders for Denver, but got just one.: Team Jason's OTC Prediction actual round pick # player lost 2016 salary Mia 3 3 97 Vernon 16,750,000 Car 3 3 98 Norman 15,000,000 Bal 3 3 99 Osemele 11,200,000 LAR 3 3 100 J. Jenkins 12,400,000 Den 3 (two) 3 (one) 101 Osweiler/Malick 18,000,000/14,250,000 Sea 3 3 102 Irvin 9,000,000 Cle 3 3 103 Mack 9,000,000 Kan 3 3 104 Sean Smith 9,250,000 Pit 5 3 105 Beachum 5,000,000 Sea 5 3 106 Sweezey 6,500,000 NYJ 4 3 107 Snacks Harrison 9,000,000 I'm most surprised with Beachum being valued at a 3rd round pick. The going rate for a UFA left tackle is a hell of a lot more than that. Not to mention I think Seattle lost Okung also as a UFA, and Okung made the same $5m as Beachum in 2016. Weird, but as they say, only those inside know the full formula. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Hated losing snacks but with Wilkerson, Williams, Simon etc on the d Line, I'd rather have this pick plus the cap space than snacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetNation Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 The NFL announced the compensatory picks for the upcoming NFL draft. The Jets have gained an extra 3rd round pick, 107th overall. A total of 32 compensatory choices in the 2017 NFL Draft have been awarded to 16 teams, the NFL announced today. Under the rules for compensatory draft selections, a team losing more or better compensatory free agents than it acquires in the previous year is eligible to receive compensatory draft picks. The compensatory picks will be positioned within the third through seventh rounds based on the value of the compensatory free agents lost. Compensatory free agents are determined by a formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors. The formula was developed by the NFL Management Council. Not every free agent lost or signed by a club is covered by this formula. The Collective Bargaining Agreement limits the number of compensatory selections to the number of clubs then in the League (32). This year, four clubs: the Los Angeles Rams (one pick), the Green Bay Packers (one pick), the Pittsburgh Steelers (two picks), and the Arizona Cardinals (three picks) qualified for compensatory selections under the net loss formula, but will not receive those picks because the final numerical values of the CFAs who were lost by those clubs ranked 33rd through 39th among the final numerical values of all compensatory selections. Each of those four clubs will receive compensatory selections for other CFAs lost whose final numerical values ranked within the top 32. Compensatory picks may be traded this year. A rule change approved by clubs in 2015 permits compensatory draft picks to be traded beginning in 2017. NEW YORK JETS Lost: Davis, Demario; Harrison, Damon; Ivory, Chris Gained: Forte, Matt; McLendon, Steve The following 2017 compensatory draft picks have been determined by the NFL Management Council for the 2017 NFL Draft, which will be held on April 27-29 in Philadelphia: Round Round Choice/ Overall Selection Team 3 33-97 Miami 3 34-98 Carolina 3 35-99 Baltimore 3 36-100 Los Angeles Rams 3 37-101 Denver 3 38-102 Seattle 3 39-103 Cleveland 3 40-104 Kansas City 3 41-105 Pittsburgh 3 42-106 Seattle 3 43-107 New York Jets 4 32-138 Cincinnati 4 33-139 Cleveland 4 35-141* Los Angeles Rams 4 36-142 Cleveland 4 37-143 San Francisco 4 38-144 Indianapolis 5 33-178 Cincinnati 5 34-179 Denver 5 35-180 Miami 5 36-181 Arizona 5 37-182 Kansas City 5 38-183 Cleveland 5 39-184 Green Bay 5 40-185 New England 5 41-186 Miami 6 33-218 Kansas City 6 34-219 Cincinnati 6 35-220 Kansas City 7 33-253 Cincinnati 7 34-254 Denver 7 35-255 Denver Click here to read the full story... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 43 minutes ago, T0mShane said: @dbatesman By my count, this is the...second? third? thing Maccagnan has done that's worth a sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choklits Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 If we are lucky enough to have someone approach us for our 6th in return for a later first round or a second and a first next year we should jump at it. I would love to have two firsts next year to use as trade bait if needed for Sam Darnold (USC QB). In the meantime we would still have 4 picks in first two rounds and maybe trade back up using one of the second rounders and Richardson. Or maybe just get a second or third rounder for him and wind up with 5 picks. Superstars are great but we need players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Please trade our 2nd rounder for two more 3d rounders mac, that is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, choklits said: If we are lucky enough to have someone approach us for our 6th in return for a later first round or a second and a first next year we should jump at it. I would love to have two firsts next year to use as trade bait if needed for Sam Darnold (USC QB). In the meantime we would still have 4 picks in first two rounds and maybe trade back up using one of the second rounders and Richardson. Or maybe just get a second or third rounder for him and wind up with 5 picks. Superstars are great but we need players. Agreed, I would have no issue at all of trading our 1st outright if we can get another 1st next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Trade Richardson, they could have three 3's. Thank you Macc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 10 minutes ago, dbatesman said: By my count, this is the...second? third? thing Maccagnan has done that's worth a sh*t. Almost negates everything else he's donlololololololololololol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 6 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Trade Richardson, they could have three 3's. Thank you Macc. LOS TITULOS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 MOAR picks! The Idzik way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 OUTSTANDING!!!!!! The 3rd round is when we start looking for players with talent. The first 2 rounds are our warm ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASH1962 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 2 hours ago, LIJetsFan said: Hey, a bit of good news. I'll take it! Finally something positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 38 minutes ago, dbatesman said: By my count, this is the...second? third? thing Maccagnan has done that's worth a sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 1 hour ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: Hated losing snacks but with Wilkerson, Williams, Simon etc on the d Line, I'd rather have this pick plus the cap space than snacks. I'd rather have Snacks, Williams, Richardson etc, this pick and even more cap space than Wilkerson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 16 minutes ago, Fantasy Island said: OUTSTANDING!!!!!! The 3rd round is when we start looking for players with talent. The first 2 rounds are our warm ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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