This is going to be an UGLY season

[Jet Life]

Would be great if we actually did a proper rebuild..cut/trade players like Revis, Sheldon, Gillchrist, Harris etc..draft well and let the young guys play and develop for a season. But we will probably just go out and overpay a bunch of FAs

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, Jet Life said:

Would be great if we actually did a proper rebuild..cut/trade players like Revis, Sheldon, Gillchrist, Harris etc..draft well and let the young guys play and develop for a season. But we will probably just go out and overpay a bunch of FAs

So basically, do what the Giants did last year.

[Jet Life]

Just now, UnitedWhofans said:

So basically, do what the Giants did last year.

They have a QB, so they are allowed to be in win now mode. We aren't.

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, Jet Life said:

They have a QB, so they are allowed to be in win now mode. We aren't.

True, but interestingly enough that QB and offense held them back in 2016

[flgreen]

1 minute ago, Jet Life said:

They have a QB, so they are allowed to be in win now mode. We aren't.

 

1 minute ago, Jet Life said:

 

Well the Jets have a non-producing 3-4 DE who is paid like a franchise QB, that's got to count for something

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, flgreen said:

 

Well the Jets have a non-producing 3-4 DE who is paid like a franchise QB, that's got to count for something

Dude JJ Watt makes more than that.

[Jet Life]

5 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

True, but interestingly enough that QB and offense held them back in 2016

Being the offseason winner rarely pays off, the Giants did well though with their signings. We signed Revis, Skrine, Gilchrist, Forte. Bad. At least Carpenter was a good move

[UnitedWhofans]

1 minute ago, Jet Life said:

Being the offseason winner rarely pays off, the Giants did well though with their signings. We signed Revis, Skrine, Gilchrist, Forte. Bad. At least Carpenter was a good move

Too early to judge Forte.

Revis was the top FA CB on the market that year and Gilchrist had a career year his first year with the Jets.

Skrine, I have no qualms about calling bad.

[flgreen]

5 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

Dude JJ Watt makes more than that.

Dude JJ Watt's cap # for 2017 is 14.5 M  The Jet's DE's cap # is 18 M

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, flgreen said:

Dude JJ Watt's cap # for 2017 is 14.5 M  The Jet's DE's cap # is 18 M

That's because the Jets can get out of Wilkerson's contract quicker. The Texans are stuck with Watt.

BTW, I wonder why so many people gave up on WIlkerson after one bad year? 

[thadude]

3 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

Too early to judge Forte.

Revis was the top FA CB on the market that year and Gilchrist had a career year his first year with the Jets.

Skrine, I have no qualms about calling bad.

Forte stinks, dumb signing

[thadude]

Just now, UnitedWhofans said:

That's because the Jets can get out of Wilkerson's contract quicker. The Texans are stuck with Watt.

I'd like to be "stuck" with Watt

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, thadude said:

Forte stinks, dumb signing

Too early to tell. Make that judgement after this year. 

[thadude]

2 minutes ago, flgreen said:

Dude JJ Watt's cap # for 2017 is 14.5 M  The Jet's DE's cap # is 18 M

What a miserable franchise.  We can't sign Glennon but we can pay linemen, good, not even great linemen, $18 mil per

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, thadude said:

I'd like to be "stuck" with Watt

Wilkerson did more than Watt last year

[#27TheDominator]

14 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

Too early to judge Forte.

You wanna wait until he is 40?

[flgreen]

11 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

That's because the Jets can get out of Wilkerson's contract quicker. The Texans are stuck with Watt.

BTW, I wonder why so many people gave up on WIlkerson after one bad year? 

The dead money on Wilkerson's contract if cut is 26.750 M    The dead money on Watt's contract is 20.5 M

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, #27TheDominator said:

You wanna wait until he is 40?

1 more year. Then we can judge the signing. 

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, flgreen said:

The dead money on Wilkerson's contract if cut is 26.750 M    The dead money on Watt's contract is 20.5 M

Again, the dead money is up front because they can cut him quicker. 

[thadude]

14 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

Too early to tell. Make that judgement after this year. 

Forte stinks, dumb signing

[thadude]

6 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

You wanna wait until he is 40?

No that's he long we have to wait before being allowed to say Hack might not be good

 

 

$4 mil per for a backup RB.  Meanwhile Jordan Howard is tearing it up in Chicago on minimum rookie scale

 

Only the jets

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, thadude said:

Forte stinks, dumb signing

And you want a proper rebuild? Nice job showing the patience required.

[#27TheDominator]

2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

1 more year. Then we can judge the signing. 

I can judge it right now.  In fact, I could judge it last year before he ever played a down.  Nice receiver out of the backfield, too old to be around when we are good, no reason to spend any money on him because he duplicates the downs you want Powell on the field.  Poor compliment to what we had.   It was damn near criminal to sign them both for 3/$12M at the same time.  Does that sound fair?  Or do you think we have to wait until his contract expires before we judge?

[flgreen]

3 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

Again, the dead money is up front because they can cut him quicker. 

 

Watt has 76 career sacks Wilkerson has 41.  Watt played less then 3 games last year and had 1.5 sacks.  Wilkerson playing all season had 4.5.

Are you really trying to say Wilkerson is a better value then Watt?  Kind of silly no?

[thadude]

1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said:

And you want a proper rebuild? Nice job showing the patience required.

No I want a GM not to waste enormous  cap space on backup running backs and interior defensive linemen and DB's

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, #27TheDominator said:

I can judge it right now.  In fact, I could judge it last year before he ever played a down.  Nice receiver out of the backfield, too old to be around when we are good, no reason to spend any money on him because he duplicates the downs you want Powell on the field.  Poor compliment to what we had.   It was damn near criminal to sign them both for 3/$12M at the same time.  Does that sound fair?  Or do you think we have to wait until his contract expires before we judge?

Which is why I screamed for Gailey to have them both on the field. In fact, it would be interesting to use Forte as a pseudo fullback because I saw that he could block well last year.

[thadude]

Just now, flgreen said:

 

Watt has 76 career sacks Wilkerson has 41.  Watt played less then 3 games last year and had 1.5 sacks.  Wilkerson playing all season had 4.5.

Are you really trying to say Wilkerson is a better value then Watt?  Kind of silly no?

Wilk did miss more team meetings on purpose than Watt however

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, flgreen said:

 

Watt has 76 career sacks Wilkerson has 41.  Watt played less then 3 games last year and had 1.5 sacks.  Wilkerson playing all season had 4.5.

Are you really trying to say Wilkerson is a better value then Watt?  Kind of silly no?

No, I think Wilkerson got fair value given his stats and stature within the league by the players, media, and coaches.

[thadude]

Just now, UnitedWhofans said:

Which is why I screamed for Gailey to have them both on the field. In fact, it would be interesting to use Forte as a pseudo fullback because I saw that he could block well last year.

Oh you figured it out!  Forte should have lined up at fullback!

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, thadude said:

No I want a GM not to waste enormous  cap space on backup running backs and interior defensive linemen and DB's

Just like the Giants did.

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, thadude said:

Oh you figured it out!  Forte should have lined up at fullback!

At least put the two on the field at the same time. 

[thadude]

Just now, UnitedWhofans said:

Just like the Giants did.

By signing the guy we should have kept over Wilk

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, thadude said:

By signing the guy we should have kept over Wilk

You said no wasting on interior defensive linemen. Snacks is an interior defensive lineman.

[thadude]

Just now, UnitedWhofans said:

At least put the two on the field at the same time. 

How about Forte at Qb?

[#27TheDominator]

17 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

And you want a proper rebuild? Nice job showing the patience required.

Not wanting to sign a running back through his 33rd birthday indicates that you don't have the patience to rebuild?  No younger way to spend $12M? 

14 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

Which is why I screamed for Gailey to have them both on the field. In fact, it would be interesting to use Forte as a pseudo fullback because I saw that he could block well last year.

What a silly idea.  Neither is fast enough to play WR (the one position we seemed to have adequate depth).  Neither blocks particularly well.  We don't generally use a FB.  What exactly to we gain?  Playing Sheldn at OLB made more sense.