Larz Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 there is no decision because there is no market. teams will wait macc out and see if he gets cut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 1 hour ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Why would having 4 4-3 DTs be a smarter thing, fellas? They need speed on the edge in either defense. Leo, Mo, and Sheldon aren't 4-3 DEs they are DTs. Either way, they have three similar players for two spots. Giving Mo that massive deal was a mistake. One of them has to go and Sheldon is the easiest to get rid of. Ding-ding-ding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 I think Macc will expand the deal a bit from this-- Team X gets: Sheldon Richardson Jets get: 2017 third round choice; 2018 conditional pick to this-- Team X gets: Sheldon Richardson; 2018 fourth round draft pick. Jets get: 2017 third round choice; 2018 conditional pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 35 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Grow up. I thought you had me on ignore? You know, when you announced it to the entire forum, screenshot and all, like a child because I simply disagreed with you. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: I think Macc will expand the deal a bit from this-- Team X gets: Sheldon Richardson Jets get: 2017 third round choice; 2018 conditional pick to this-- Team X gets: Sheldon Richardson; 2018 fourth round draft pick. Jets get: 2017 third round choice; 2018 conditional pick I think it's this: Jets keep Sheldon Richardson at $8m, in another non-contending season, because again nobody will pony up Maccagnan's unrealistic line in the sand demand for a player with high contract demands. They are due to then get a conditional draft pick in 2019, when he leaves the Jets as a UFA. That ends up being nothing, though, because he's going to sign enough qualifying UFAs next spring to cancel out Sheldon's loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop24 Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 1 hour ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Why would having 4 4-3 DTs be a smarter thing, fellas? They need speed on the edge in either defense. Leo, Mo, and Sheldon aren't 4-3 DEs they are DTs. Either way, they have three similar players for two spots. Giving Mo that massive deal was a mistake. One of them has to go and Sheldon is the easiest to get rid of. Leo can play any position on the Dline in any defense game except maybe NT but I'm confident in him being a LE in a 4-3 Defense .. Sheldon an Mo would go inside to DT.. u get a nice speed Rusher to play RE. And u got ur classic 4 man front line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, Scoop24 said: Leo can play any position on the Dline in any defense game except maybe NT but I'm confident in him being a LE in a 4-3 Defense .. Sheldon an Mo would translation to DT.. u get a nice speed Rusher to play RE. And u got ur classic 4 man front line Cool. What what about McClendon who makes 4 million? And Simon? And the linebackers they have brought in the last two seasons? Whole new defense? Not likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 1 hour ago, SOJ said: they played 4-3 alot last year it it was a disaster... LOL it would be with the LB's we have. Mauldin was on the bench most of the season while Bowles and Rodgers used bums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Wait, so we can't question Richardson's "effort"? Huh? Shouldn't effort also be measured in what you do off the field also? In that manner, Richardson's effort has been half assed at best. And that is exactly why he will not bring as much back in a trade as what he was bought for. And that is entirely on him. Come now, is this really a guy you would feel comfortable with in giving a big contract, and expecting measurable return? Not me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 3 hours ago, joewilly12 said: Trading a proven NFL superstar for a "what if" draft pick especially the way the Jets draft is DUMB. So is throwing millions of dollars at a guy who has tons of talent but 0 character and discipline. You can have all the talent in the world but without discipline its worthless. Its a shame too. The guy could write his own ticket if he could just focus. Maybe a change of scenery is just what he needs to get him focused. Its about more than football too. His lack of discipline could wind up costing him his livelihood,freedom,and maybe even his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Moving Sheldon would be huge this off-season. He will NOT be here long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hael Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 We won't get adequate compensation if we move him now. Collins, who had a much better year last year, is a better overall player and was cheaper, was traded at the same time for a fourth rounder that became a late third rounder. Here it's likely that we are looking at a late fourth at best, and probably a fifth if we are being honest. Sheldon simply carries to much risk for teams given his extracurriculars, so the value is in keeping him on the roster, rehabilitating his image and then settling for the comp pick which could be a 3 if he plays lights out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Only keep Sheldon if he's playing 3 technique. Putting him at 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB is really a waste. Otherwise just trade him and take what you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 He's a cancer. Trade him. Question becomes if the pick is more valuable this year or next. And no lame "on roster" clause that has screwed us before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 7 hours ago, Integrity28 said: Poor MacCagnan, now he has to trade the 2nd or 3rd best player on the roster... because the defensive savant we hired as a head coach, couldn't figure out how to use him. Woe is me. Of course he did. Bowles was the 1st HC in NFL history to deploy a 295 lb linebacker. Unreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Trade Richardson to the LA Chargers for their 3rd round pick and a bag of weed. Then donate the weed to a person with glaucoma. We send Sheldon to NFL Hell and deprive him of a bag of marijuana. Gotta go Gotta go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 3 hours ago, Ken Shroy said: Of course he did. Bowles was the 1st HC in NFL history to deploy a 295 lb linebacker. Unreal. Apparently you don't remember Mario Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 18 hours ago, AFJF said: I mean, it does suck, doesn't it? Not very often you see a player as talented as Sheldon being shopped. I'd say pretty good odds he makes a few pro-bowls while Mac hopes the player he takes with that pick is starter material. Happens quite often, no? Hell, Maccagnan was shopping Mo for the past 2 offseasons before this. More often the original team gets nothing, though, as they let the player simply hit free agency. That's how high-priced FAs - ones more accomplished, and pricier, than Sheldon Richardson - hit the market in the first place. Getting something for him is better than getting nothing for him. They have more than enough 300+ pound defensive linemen. They don't need a 6th one at $8m, when they couldn't make it work when it was $3m, unless they plan on only defending the run from now on. He did take a player to replace him that is starter material: Leonard Williams. Then he re-signed another: Mo Wilkerson. He doesn't need all 3, and didn't need to foolishly carry all 3 for the past 2 seasons either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 13 hours ago, Jetfan13 said: 1st rounder or nothing. He is cheap right now, take a chance on him growing up. If he proves himself, get a 1st next year or tag him. STOP GIVING AWAY OUR FUTURE STARS. And find a place for him on the line. He's $8m this coming year, his option year. Not that cheap. $8m AND a first rounder for a one year deal with a guy who could get himself a one year ban before training camp? If Macc pulls that off he should get GM of the Year on the spot, no debate. I think either we'll get a middling pick this year and a conditional next year, or a better conditional next year. So a low 3rd / high 4th this year and possibly same next year, or a conditional 3rd next year that could become a 2nd. Something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 10 hours ago, BigRy56 said: Moving Sheldon would be huge this off-season. He will NOT be here long term. This is the key point. There is no "adequate compensation" for SR for which trading him is not worth it. The highest price is worth it. Let teams bid for him. The key is freeing his cap room, which can only happen with a trade. His salary is otherwise guaranteed He is not the last piece for a 2017 Jets playoff run. He walks in 2018 leaving the Jets with a 3rd or 4th round comp pick-at the end of those rounds. If someone offered the Jets a 2017 (deep draft) 3rd Round pick for him, that is a steal-they must take it. Think about the moves the Jets made in the last few years thinking they could contend. Some team will pick up SR thinking it can get them into the playoffs or deep therein. The Falcolns, the Cowboys. It is a good point. He should be very motivated to perform next year in his contract year. That team can then tag him. SR should be a very valuable asset. I have been willing to defend Macc and give him the benefit of the doubt on his draft picks. But his ability to "wheel and deal" has been suspect. He needed to move Mo, and then not moving MO, move Sheldon He should be kicking himself for not taking the Cowboys second round pick, and quite frankly so the Cowboys should be too. Maybe we set them up with a date at the Combine. The Jets will be much better off over the next 3 seasons if SRs 2017 money was applied to signing FA CBs (Gilmore or Johnson), S (Jefferson-can he play with Adams?) and LT (Okung) than keeping SR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 16 hours ago, SOJ said: they played 4-3 alot last year it it was a disaster... Because we have no edge rushers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Don't understand the desperation to trade a good, tho troubled, player for at best a conditional late round pick. Even if he only has one year left on his contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 2 hours ago, jamesr said: He's $8m this coming year, his option year. Not that cheap. $8m AND a first rounder for a one year deal with a guy who could get himself a one year ban before training camp? If Macc pulls that off he should get GM of the Year on the spot, no debate. I think either we'll get a middling pick this year and a conditional next year, or a better conditional next year. So a low 3rd / high 4th this year and possibly same next year, or a conditional 3rd next year that could become a 2nd. Something like that. After we cut Gulchrist we are about $36 mil under the cap. Cutting Harris takes us to $45 milion Sheldon at $8 mil is better or as good as any mid-level FA we would get who btw would also need multiple years guaranteed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 17 hours ago, Scoop24 said: Richardson does too much dumb sh*t .. you gotta be nervous throwing big money his way regardless of his talent .. I fine with them taking the safe bet in Mo and Leo .. what I'm not fine with is trading Richardson for the third round pick . He is way to good a player for that value I'm of the belief you don't pay 12-15 million for a defensive guy who doesn't play corner or doesn't get sacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lego My Lageman Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 This guys reputation is 3 years old, he is now a jag. Get him outta here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lego My Lageman Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 26 games 58 tackles and 6.5 sacks in two years and he is a giant man child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 19 minutes ago, Lego My Lageman said: 26 games 58 tackles and 6.5 sacks in two years and he is a giant man child. I'm sure we will get the farm for him Yay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lego My Lageman Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, thadude said: I'm sure we will get the farm for him Yay LOL, Id trade him straight up for Cutler in a heart beat and I hate Cutler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 1 minute ago, Lego My Lageman said: LOL, Id trade him straight up for Cutler in a heart beat and I hate Cutler. You realize cutler is getting cut? 0.0 reason to ever trade for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 and Sheldon's numbers are a direct reflection of being played out of position. He is, and would be a beast if not asked to play, IBL, OLB, QB spy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lego My Lageman Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 1 minute ago, thadude said: You realize cutler is getting cut? 0.0 reason to ever trade for him Well if you trade trash for trash at least you dont have to worry about bidding with another team. Not that I want Cutler but.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 2 hours ago, thadude said: After we cut Gulchrist we are about $36 mil under the cap. Cutting Harris takes us to $45 milion Sheldon at $8 mil is better or as good as any mid-level FA we would get who btw would also need multiple years guaranteed The comment about cheap was made in the context of it being a bargaining chip in a trade ... the idea being that another team would be getting him cheap as he's still on his rookie deal. My comment was pointing out that $8m is not exactly cheap when packaged with a draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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