AFJF Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 I know one or two posters on here would love to see him in Green and White. I'm not one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 I don't want him because of the circus. If it weren't for the immediate calls for him to start, I would find him a cheap high upside guy to pick up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 1, 2017 Author Share Posted March 1, 2017 1 minute ago, #27TheDominator said: I don't want him because of the circus. If it weren't for the immediate calls for him to start, I would find him a cheap high upside guy to pick up. The circus is one reason, but personally I'm never a fan of bringing in these dudes who beat up women, but I know a lot of fans are indifferent to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 1 minute ago, AFJF said: The circus is one reason, but personally I'm never a fan of bringing in these dudes who beat up women, but I know a lot of fans are indifferent to that. Fair enough, but we want to extend Enunwa, right? It's football, these are generally angry violent dudes and not the most law abiding. Obviously the player would need to be vetted and I would prefer he were a choirboy, but I don't know that I would automatically exclude everyone with domestic violence in their past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 1, 2017 Author Share Posted March 1, 2017 6 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: Fair enough, but we want to extend Enunwa, right? It's football, these are generally angry violent dudes and not the most law abiding. Obviously the player would need to be vetted and I would prefer he were a choirboy, but I don't know that I would automatically exclude everyone with domestic violence in their past. Yup, and Enunwa's incident was investigated by the police and the league at which point it was announced by the NFL that they saw no reason for disciplinary action. He was cleared. Then, Ray Rice happened, and the league doubled back and suspended him to appease a bunch of protesters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Manziel's problem was that he sucked at football. Being a douche was just extra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 I remember being scared the Jets would idiotically draft him. While the Pryor choice is obviously not particularly well received these days, I'm still more than happy to have ended up with him over Manziel, even though there were obviously plenty of better options. So yeah.... no. I'd rather bring back Geno or Sanchez, which should really tell you something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 This board would be hilarious of the jets showed interest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 "Drawing real interest" like from rubberneckers at the scene of a spectacular car wreck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 23 minutes ago, AFJF said: Yup, and Enunwa's incident was investigated by the police and the league at which point it was announced by the NFL that they saw no reason for disciplinary action. He was cleared. Then, Ray Rice happened, and the league doubled back and suspended him to appease a bunch of protesters. I understand that Enunwa isn't some multiple offender and we don't have an unconscious woman or punch on video here, but "reached an agreement" isn't quite the same as "he was cleared." The league DV policy went into place before his incident even occurred. About a week IIRC. The only reason he wasn't suspended sooner is that he wasn't on roster or getting game checks. I like the kid and since we haven't heard anything bad for 3 years we can assume it was an isolated incident, but having him around does not rest easy with a zero tolerance policy IMO. Quote Enunwa was arrested and charged with simple assault. The woman later dropped the charges after the two sides reached an agreement. Enunwa does not like talking about the incident, but was asked by The Post what he thinks about those who say there should be a zero tolerance policy in the NFL for domestic violence. “It’s tough. It’s a sensitive topic,” Enunwa said. “I think you definitely have to do your homework. In certain situations, it is zero tolerance. But you really have to dig deep and see what is going on and see who that person is. I don’t know … I’m glad they gave me another chance, though. That’s not the person I am.”http://nypost.com/2016/11/03/quincy-enunwas-rocky-road-to-jets-revelation/ Upon further review, some dipsh*t at the NFL offices announced they didn't anticipate any action after the legal matter was dropped. He probably didn't realize it was after a settlement, but the deal was negotiated by the NFL and NFLPA. DV policy went into effect August 28, 2014, Enunwa injured the woman August 31, 2014. According to a high-ranking NFLPA source, Enunwa's suspension was a negotiated settlement between the NFL and the NFL Players Association. As such, there won't be an appeal. This is the first time the league and union have cooperated with any domestic violence-related discipline since the new personal conduct policy was released. For the first time since the NFL passed a new code of conduct policy, the league and its union worked together on the suspension of Quincy Enunwa over an alleged episode of domestic violence. At the time the charge was dismissed, the NFL office indicated it still would review court documents, but the league anticipated no discipline for Enunwa, an NFL spokesman said at the time. If I had to guess, what actually happened is that they doubled back once he became a starter. They don't get much value from killing a fringe player's career. Especially over what is admittedly a fairly minor incident as domestic violence goes. Obviously, I am not implying this equates to Manziel who has a long history of substance abuse issues in addition to this kidnapping/hitting his girlfriend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hael Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 20 minutes ago, gEYno said: Manziel's problem was that he sucked at football. Being a douche was just extra. Actually, from someone who thought he'd be a total bust at QB from day one, there were times where he actually impressed. Make no mistake, this was not a Tebow type who couldn't make reads or throw accurate throws. MAnziel could actually play near the end there, and he flashed talent that I didn't think he'd have. Hes a significantly better player than e.g. geno smith. Now, is he good enough to be a long term starter in the league if all of a sudden he developed a work ethic and stayed out of trouble? I don't know... but it's not complete trash either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 I'm impressed he is still alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 1, 2017 Author Share Posted March 1, 2017 23 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: I understand that Enunwa isn't some multiple offender and we don't have an unconscious woman or punch on video here, but "reached an agreement" isn't quite the same as "he was cleared." The league DV policy went into place before his incident even occurred. About a week IIRC. The only reason he wasn't suspended sooner is that he wasn't on roster or getting game checks. I like the kid and since we haven't heard anything bad for 3 years we can assume it was an isolated incident, but having him around does not rest easy with a zero tolerance policy IMO. Upon further review, some dipsh*t at the NFL offices announced they didn't anticipate any action after the legal matter was dropped. He probably didn't realize it was after a settlement, but the deal was negotiated by the NFL and NFLPA. DV policy went into effect August 28, 2014, Enunwa injured the woman August 31, 2014. According to a high-ranking NFLPA source, Enunwa's suspension was a negotiated settlement between the NFL and the NFL Players Association. As such, there won't be an appeal. This is the first time the league and union have cooperated with any domestic violence-related discipline since the new personal conduct policy was released. For the first time since the NFL passed a new code of conduct policy, the league and its union worked together on the suspension of Quincy Enunwa over an alleged episode of domestic violence. At the time the charge was dismissed, the NFL office indicated it still would review court documents, but the league anticipated no discipline for Enunwa, an NFL spokesman said at the time. If I had to guess, what actually happened is that they doubled back once he became a starter. They don't get much value from killing a fringe player's career. Especially over what is admittedly a fairly minor incident as domestic violence goes. Obviously, I am not implying this equates to Manziel who has a long history of substance abuse issues in addition to this kidnapping/hitting his girlfriend. Yeah, some big differences in Enunwa's case. Some "he said/she said" and a sore finger IIRC. An unconscious woman (Ray Rice) or a woman with ruptured eardrums (Manziel's situation) is a bit different IMO. Given Enunwa's stature, I'd imagine there would have been a hell of a lot worse than a sore finger if he'd actually hit the girl. And as you mentioned, model citizen since that time. Doesn't strike me at all as a Hardy/Manziel type. If it comes out at some point that he belted her and laid her out, I'd have no issue saying "see ya" to Quincy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 6 hours ago, The Crusher said: I'm impressed he is still alive. Me Too!! You don't even think about bringing a guy to New York who is wearing disguises to go parties rather than prepare for a game and can't stay sober in Cleveland OH!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Straw Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 The kid is 24 years old and would instantly be the best quarterback on our roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Could probably get him for a fourth round pick easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 1, 2017 Author Share Posted March 1, 2017 7 minutes ago, Jack Straw said: The kid is 24 years old and would instantly be the best quarterback on our roster. Vince Young would also be the best QB on our roster and has had plenty of time to rest his body. Doesn't mean I want the Jets to sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 1, 2017 Author Share Posted March 1, 2017 Just now, T0mShane said: Could probably get him for a fourth round pick easy Good one!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Hael said: Actually, from someone who thought he'd be a total bust at QB from day one, there were times where he actually impressed. Make no mistake, this was not a Tebow type who couldn't make reads or throw accurate throws. MAnziel could actually play near the end there, and he flashed talent that I didn't think he'd have. Hes a significantly better player than e.g. geno smith. Now, is he good enough to be a long term starter in the league if all of a sudden he developed a work ethic and stayed out of trouble? I don't know... but it's not complete trash either. I'm not sure he's "a significantly better player than e.g. geno smith" nor that "a significantly better player than e.g. geno smith" is a meaningful metric for not sucking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Manziel is like Tebow. There will always be fools thinking he can play in the NFL. He can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flushing Roots Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 1 hour ago, AFJF said: The circus is one reason, but personally I'm never a fan of bringing in these dudes who beat up women, but I know a lot of fans are indifferent to that. Or guys that are just plain certified *ssholes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 5 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Could probably get him for a fourth round pick easy we got an extra 3rd...throw that at 'em! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 1, 2017 Author Share Posted March 1, 2017 Just now, Flushing Roots said: Or guys that are just plain certified *ssholes. I don't like those guys either, but more tolerable than somebody who beats up a woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flushing Roots Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 13 minutes ago, Jack Straw said: The kid is 24 years old and would instantly be the best quarterback on our roster. 24 going on 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 "Real interest"... from TMZ?Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Over/under on when this thread becomes @joewilly12 and @UnitedWhofans gargling each others is now set at: 27 posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 I don't like players who have been cleared to play and are ok with the NFL being blackballed. If he has the talent to be signed and compete then he deserves a chance to try out for a team. Another guy who should get a chance is Ray Rice. If Manziel signed with us ok, I'm not a big fan of his and think we should get a better Qb but I'm not against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: Over/under on when this thread becomes @joewilly12 and @UnitedWhofans gargling each others is now set at: 27 posts Best post count ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, Rangers9 said: I don't like players who have been cleared to play and are ok with the NFL being blackballed. If he has the talent to be signed and compete then he deserves a chance to try out for a team. Another guy who should get a chance is Ray Rice. If Manziel signed with us ok, I'm not a big fan of his and think we should get a better Qb but I'm not against it. I support the business owners in their position that they don't want to give a job to a player past his prime, who also hurts the brand. These are corporations, and the decisions a corporation makes aren't always in the best interest of social ideals. Which is why corporations shouldn't be involved in governing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 10x better than Bryce Petty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTL Jet Fan Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 New York, parasite beat writers, national media, and his multiple issues all equal a big Fu*k no for me. Talk about a Circus atmosphere, they would be on his every move. Huge distraction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliforniaJet Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 This guy partied hard in Cleveland, picture him in NY. No, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmat321 Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 I see 3am social media posts from the Borgata involving call girls and cocaine on Wednesday nights in October. Let's do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 I guess that leaves me as the only poster on here who wants the Jets to sign him. Yes he'd be a trainwreck but if the goal is to "suck for Sam" then what better way to make a losing a bunch of games next year more entertaining? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Manziel would be the best QB on our roster if the Jets signed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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