thadude Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 $6.5 million cap savings if cut. A total, and complete liability in coverage. Basically he's a very expensive 2-down Inside Linebacker And it's not like there are better, cheaper alternatives in free agency and the draft who can do stuff, like cover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTL Jet Fan Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 They might be waiting to see if they can sign Kevin Minter from Arz. He is 26. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 minute ago, FTL Jet Fan said: They might be waiting to see if they can sign Kevin Minter from Arz. He is 26. Exactly, if Minter comes in Harris goes. Then our oldest LB would be 26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, FTL Jet Fan said: They might be waiting to see if they can sign Kevin Minter from Arz. He is 26. This - I think Minter is going to be visiting Florham Park very soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, KRL said: Exactly, if Minter comes in Harris goes. Then our oldest LB would be 26 and this would be good for us. I wonder what the team's average age was before the cuts and what it will be at start of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Although he has aged, he did lead the team in tackles last season again. That might be more of an indication of the talent around him than anything else but Harris definitely contributes on the field. I would hope that if we do sign a younger LB that Harris gets a reworked contract to remain with the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 We simply can't cut him unless we 1st find a replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 5 minutes ago, KRL said: Exactly, if Minter comes in Harris goes. Then our oldest LB would be 26 This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokiejetfan92 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 If we cut Harris who is the savvy vet on the D? Wilkerson the superstar who skips work on his birthday? The jets need 1 leader who cares about the team more than himself. That is why harris is here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Stark said: and this would be good for us. I wonder what the team's average age was before the cuts and what it will be at start of the season. If Maccagnan hits on his free agency targets our oldest DL would be 27 (Wilkerson) our oldest LB would be 26 (Minter) and our oldest DB would be 28 (Skrine) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 13 minutes ago, thadude said: $6.5 million cap savings if cut. A total, and complete liability in coverage. Basically he's a very expensive 2-down Inside Linebacker And it's not like there are better, cheaper alternatives in free agency and the draft who can do stuff, like cover what's the hurry? It's not like he has some roster bonus coming up or anything. Cutting him now before we sign replacement makes no sense, does nothing more to help the cap numbers than cutting him weeks from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, hokiejetfan92 said: If we cut Harris who is the savvy vet on the D? Wilkerson the superstar who skips work on his birthday? The jets need 1 leader who cares about the team more than himself. That is why harris is here His name is Leonard Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Because we need some semblance of veteran leadership Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin L Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 6 minutes ago, prime21 said: Although he has aged, he did lead the team in tackles last season again. That might be more of an indication of the talent around him than anything else but Harris definitely contributes on the field. I would hope that if we do sign a younger LB that Harris gets a reworked contract to remain with the club. This. Harris is still a solid player. It's not his fault that Bowles idiotically has him covering TEs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokiejetfan92 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: His name is Leonard Williams. Yeah there is one. What about the second level? Darron Lee has been playing LB for like 3 years total. Even as a 2 down linebacker. Harris has significant more value on the Jets than any other team. I think you are under valuing all the things Harris does that is not necessarily present on Sundays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 7, 2017 Author Share Posted March 7, 2017 25 minutes ago, Beerfish said: We simply can't cut him unless we 1st find a replacement. He is that irreplaceable? Between FA, draft, cuts and trade any semi-competent FO could replace Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 7, 2017 Author Share Posted March 7, 2017 19 minutes ago, Kevin L said: This. Harris is still a solid player. It's not his fault that Bowles idiotically has him covering TEs. Ok and in nickel formation who is supposed to cover TE if the offense is in 4-5 receiver set and TE is lined up between the numbers? David F'n Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 7, 2017 Author Share Posted March 7, 2017 23 minutes ago, Dcat said: what's the hurry? It's not like he has some roster bonus coming up or anything. Cutting him now before we sign replacement makes no sense, does nothing more to help the cap numbers than cutting him weeks from now. Because it creates$6.5 million in cap room and he is not good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 37 minutes ago, thadude said: $6.5 million cap savings if cut. A total, and complete liability in coverage. Basically he's a very expensive 2-down Inside Linebacker And it's not like there are better, cheaper alternatives in free agency and the draft who can do stuff, like cover Very simple. They are going to keep him until they sign his replacement. Then cut him. Otherwise, they could be caught with their pants down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, thadude said: He is that irreplaceable? Between FA, draft, cuts and trade any semi-competent FO could replace Harris Well you have to get a guy in FA before cutting him because we literally have no one else and if you create a big hole before the draft you are forced to fill that hole. Henderson is not going to be around most likely and we sure as hell can't think of Lee as a solid run stopper. I'm not opposed to cutting him but we are super thin at lb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 5 minutes ago, thadude said: Because it creates$6.5 million in cap room and he is not good when the Jets find a suitable replacement, he can be cut. There is no additional benefit for the Jets by cutting him today rather than a month or so from now. There's no roster bonus pinned to any specific date. We save the same cap room if he is cut March 7th or May 7th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 7, 2017 Author Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Beerfish said: Well you have to get a guy in FA before cutting him because we literally have no one else and if you create a big hole before the draft you are forced to fill that hole. Henderson is not going to be around most likely and we sure as hell can't think of Lee as a solid run stopper. I'm not opposed to cutting him but we are super thin at lb Henderson is already gone It matters nowhere that you are thin at LB in March. I thought we were cleaning house with overpaid vets who suck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 7, 2017 Author Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Dcat said: when the Jets find a suitable replacement, he can be cut. There is no additional benefit for the Jets by cutting him today rather than a month or so from now. There's no roster bonus pinned to any specific date. We save the same cap room if he is cut March 7th or May 7th. Harris is a two down LB who can't cover a one legged man running a drag route Basically anyone in the draft past round 4 is a suitable replacement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Just now, thadude said: Henderson is already gone It matters nowhere that you are thin at LB in March. I thought we were cleaning house with overpaid vets who suck If they cut Harris now, and they can't sign a replacement, then they are up the creek without a paddle. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Just now, thadude said: Harris is a two down LB who can't cover a one legged man running a drag route Basically anyone in the draft past round 4 is a suitable replacement if you say so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 7, 2017 Author Share Posted March 7, 2017 7 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Very simple. They are going to keep him until they sign his replacement. Then cut him. Otherwise, they could be caught with their pants down Yeah and when Harris is starting for us next season and getting shat on every Sunday by JAG TE's and RB's (again) what will be the excuse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Just now, thadude said: Yeah and when Harris is starting for us next season and getting shat on every Sunday by JAG TE's and RB's what will be the excuse? What evidence do you have that says that's going to happen? Besides, if we are going in the tank, who frickin' cares? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 The idea that we can't possibly cut Harris until we sign Kevin Minter is exactly the kind of stupidity that will keep this team mediocre forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Just now, dbatesman said: The idea that we can't possibly cut Harris until we sign Kevin Minter is exactly the kind of stupidity that will keep this team mediocre forever. Doesn't have to be Minter. Any replacement player needs to be signed. That way you are not stuck having to draft an ILB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 11 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: If they cut Harris now, and they can't sign a replacement, then they are up the creek without a paddle. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush You make it sound like losing games this coming year is a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Just now, JoJoTownsell1 said: You make it sound like losing games this coming year is a bad thing. It's not. But it's a bad look in general. I would rather lose professionally than look like a madhouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaq218 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 57 minutes ago, FTL Jet Fan said: They might be waiting to see if they can sign Kevin Minter from Arz. He is 26. "Cardinals linebacker Kevin Minter wants to finish his career in Arizona" http://arizonasports.com/story/985624/kevin-minter-finish-career-in-arizona/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin L Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 19 minutes ago, thadude said: Ok and in nickel formation who is supposed to cover TE if the offense is in 4-5 receiver set and TE is lined up between the numbers? David F'n Harris Which is my point. Harris can't cover. Never has, never will. He should never be allowed outside the tackle box, ever. Bowles is a moron for having him covering anybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Just now, Blaq218 said: "Cardinals linebacker Kevin Minter wants to finish his career in Arizona" http://arizonasports.com/story/985624/kevin-minter-finish-career-in-arizona/ Translation: "Pay me" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Doesn't have to be Minter. Any replacement player needs to be signed. That way you are not stuck having to draft an ILB Great. Then sign some bum off the street, or draft one on day 3, or pick up a UDFA. But there is no reason a rebuilding team should be paying $6.5 million to a 33-year-old who runs like he has a load in his pants and can't cover a corpse with a blanket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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