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Just Saying Goodbye Properly - Geno Smith Is Worthless

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13 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

For all the lunacy of another trolling thread from SAR the NFL, the market is saying Geno is better, worth more than Fitz.

But somehow, someway, theres a 10 page trolling thread for SAR to keep alive

I tried to create a thread to close the book on Geno Smith in an objective fashion.  He departed quietly on the day that McCown signed, the moment was overlooked.

Immediately it's turned into "Fitzpatrick sucks too" thread.

I wonder why.

SAR I

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5 minutes ago, SAR I said:

I tried to create a thread to close the book on Geno Smith in an objective fashion.  He departed quietly on the day that McCown signed, the moment was overlooked.

Immediately it's turned into "Fitzpatrick sucks too" thread.

I wonder why.

SAR I

Hey, how about this as a way of closing the book, stop starting stupid and mindless Geno Smith threads.

Didnt know someone charged you with defend Ryan Fitzpatrick responsibilities.  Who BTW just as easily departed quietly 

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6 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

The Fitzpatrick lovers ridicule Geno Smith I ridicule Ryan Fitzpatrick 

LOL comparing the Jets organization to the Giants organization LOL the Giants wouldnt be so foolish to waste $12 million on Ryan Fitzpatrick LOL 

That's cool.  

I was just responding to this quote. "Sadly the threads and debates continue........."

LOL why would you make that post?  Your the leader of the continuing "Fitz /Geno"  debate

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The Jets have moved on from Geno and Fitz and you guys should too.

You have Petty and Hack to ridicule and argue over now.

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9 hours ago, SAR I said:

Ryan Fitzpatrick?  What does this have to do with Ryan Fitzpatrick?

Word just leaked that Geno Smith is making minimum wage, yet scores of Jets fans lobbied for him relentlessly.  It's worthy of discussion.

SAR I

It has everything to do with Fitz. Fans lobbied for Geno over Fitz. The Jets sucked with Fitz and would have been better with Geno.

None of it matters now, both of them are gone. All that remains is your fixation.

Geno can't hurt us anymore.

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3 hours ago, SAR I said:

I tried to create a thread to close the book on Geno Smith in an objective fashion.  He departed quietly on the day that McCown signed, the moment was overlooked.

Immediately it's turned into "Fitzpatrick sucks too" thread.

I wonder why.

SAR I

Yes, the thread title just screams objective lol.

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6 hours ago, SAR I said:

In 10 years, Ryan Fitzpatrick will be living comfortably off of the interest on his $24 million dollar net worth, will probably be on a coaching staff, he's a good soldier, he's well liked in NFL circles.  His lovely wife raising their 6 children together in a lovely neighborhood.

In 10 years, Geno Smith will be the mop man at the sole adult peep show video booth remaining in West Virginia trying to make that last $24.00 last as long as it can.  His transgender wife trying to explain why she can't have children.

SAR I

This post is completely inappropriate 

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4 hours ago, SAR I said:

What is he qualified to be?  Professional Moper?  Executive Complainer?

The average NFL career is 2.5  years.  He's already bucked the trend to the point of his ability.  The Giants are the end of the line.  Brad Benson Hyundai awaits.

SAR I

What is the average NFL career for 2nd rounders? How about the average for a 2nd round QB who has at least 2 years of starting experience? No one called him the next Rich Gannon. As for Fitzy the sh!tzy, I remember clearly how half of his Fitznutz kept mentioning Gannon n him in the same sentence. 

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6 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

Why is it that buffoons here have no problem watching every Idzik pick play 3 minutes of football before they declare that they suck... but 2 seasons of football by Geno results in one excuse after another for why his suck wasn't actually suck?

I've never seen such a delusional, know-nothing gaggle of morons as Jet fans.

I take that back... after thinking about it, I'm realizing that there's no difference between this and any other facet of arguing beyond reason in favor of that which serves against your own best interests. I guess it's par for the course in our society.

Well I guess we can just release Hack now since he's a bigger failure than Geno, having been inactive almost the entire year. Or maybe, just maybe, we can look at the fact that Geno continuously beat out Fitz in almost every single practice, a 10+ year journeyman. Or perhaps it's the fact he played well in only the games he had two non-superstar starting WRs named Decker and Harvin? Although I agree he was a failure when he was passing to the likes of David Nelson, Holmes and Stephen Hills. That's ahhmazing group of WRs should've made a rookie QB look like Dan Marino, but he failed. Shocking! Plenty to put stooges back in their place when they run their mouths. 

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7 hours ago, SAR I said:

Another Myhero running to "Fitzpatrick" as to the answer of why Geno Smith sucks.

Hey!  Why is Geno on the bench?  FITZPATRICK!!!!
Hey!  Why didn't Geno pay Ikempapli $600?  FITZPATRICK!!!!
Hey!  Why didn't Hillary Clinton win the election?  FITZPATRICK!!!!

Geno sucks.  You were wrong.  Own it.

SAR I

You are acting like there are a million people calling for Geno. There were a group of people calling for Geno to start over Fitz. Guess what? Fitz sucks. Geno sucks.

I don't like threads that call out posters simply because they were rooting for the Jets. 

If the Jets played Geno last year, they weren't winning the Super Bowl. They played Fitz and they didn't win the Super Bowl.

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This thread just makes me laugh. In typical Jets fashion, just watch. Eli gonna do down with some freak injury. Geno going to take the Giants all the way to a superbowl. Where at a tie game in the 4th quarter, Geno going to drive down the field, where he throws a game ending pick- 6 to Darrelle Revis. Another SB for the Pats. Geno now a redemption story and commodity for bringing the giants to a SB. Revis wins SB MVP. 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, ATX Jetsfan said:

This thread just makes me laugh. In typical Jets fashion, just watch. Eli gonna do down with some freak injury. Geno going to take the Giants all the way to a superbowl. Where at a tie game in the 4th quarter, Geno going to drive down the field, where he throws a game ending pick- 6 to Darrelle Revis. Another SB for the Pats. Geno now a redemption story and commodity for bringing the giants to a SB. Revis wins SB MVP. 

 

 

 

 

 

This scenario would give most of us a heart attack lol

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5 hours ago, Maxman said:

You are acting like there are a million people calling for Geno. There were a group of people calling for Geno to start over Fitz. Guess what? Fitz sucks. Geno sucks.

I don't like threads that call out posters simply because they were rooting for the Jets. 

If the Jets played Geno last year, they weren't winning the Super Bowl. They played Fitz and they didn't win the Super Bowl.

Rooting for the Jets is not enough.  Some of us never bought PSLs. 

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5 hours ago, Maxman said:

You are acting like there are a million people calling for Geno. There were a group of people calling for Geno to start over Fitz. Guess what? Fitz sucks. Geno sucks.

I don't like threads that call out posters simply because they were rooting for the Jets. 

If the Jets played Geno last year, they weren't winning the Super Bowl. They played Fitz and they didn't win the Super Bowl.

There have been a goodly number of regular posters here who were regularly advocating for Geno Smith to be resigned and started in 2018.  At least till the Giants gave him the one-year, near-Vet-minimum contract.  I agree though, not a million.  More like 6 or 7 regulars, posting on it regularly.

I am unaware of any poster taking a similar position for Fitzpatrick thus far this offseason (other than SAR I, for whom all things must be seen through the prism of engendering a response).  On the contrary, I think the vast majority of former-Fitz advocates are in agreement that Fitz very likely will never play another regular season NFL snap, rightfully so.  With that said, we'd had plenty of Fitz threads too of no particular value.

You're not wrong my friend.  The way last season played out, Joe Montana could not have saved this woeful and dysfunctional franchise.  A bottom of the barrel defense, a joke of a Head Coach, rebellious and unproductive 1st round supposedly "elite" D-linemen, injuries to vital players at WR and across the O-line, an unproductive running game where it counted, poor play calling on the O, regularly scheduled special teams disasters, and possibly the worst pass D I've ever had the misfortune of watching.  Geno, Fitz, no one was winning with that.  But even then, both guys got chances, both failed to make anything of those chances.  

What I'd suggest is that rehashing the debate of last year is silly at this point, and akin to e-dick measuring over whose sh*t smells better.  Both failed here, no one was "right", and both are now gone.  Doesn't it behoove us as a community to let it go, and stick with more productive discussions of who IS here?  Hackenberg, Petty and McCown as of today. Maybe someone in this coming draft.  Not Geno.  Not Fitz.  Not Sanchez.  Not Glennon.

I appreciate your "minimum of moderation" stance, but perhaps it's time to put the kibosh (at least temporarily) on the endless spam of Geno Threads (of either kind), Glennon threads, Sanchez Threads, Fitz Threads, etc.?

Food for thought.

If not, I'll be happy to stick one in SAR's ear and start the "LOLSanchez now Bears #3 QB!" Thread.  Up to you. 

 

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6 hours ago, Maxman said:

You are acting like there are a million people calling for Geno. There were a group of people calling for Geno to start over Fitz. Guess what? Fitz sucks. Geno sucks.

I don't like threads that call out posters simply because they were rooting for the Jets. 

If the Jets played Geno last year, they weren't winning the Super Bowl. They played Fitz and they didn't win the Super Bowl.

I agree.  I wish people would stop calling me out as some Fitzpatrick supporter when I never wanted him on the team.

Forgetting last year which was a dysfunctional mess for which the quarterback was one of the least of our problems, Fitzpatrick was the better solution.  He went 10-5 and played well enough last year to get a remarkable 8 wins if the team didn't bow to media pressure and put in raw Bryce Petty.

And in the big picture, this week is the end of what can now be 100% deemed to be one of the worst decisions in team history.  Discarding Mark Sanchez for Geno Smith.  It's not about Fitzpatrick, he only came into being because of Smith's failure.  It's about recognizing that drafting Geno Smith and punting Mark Sanchez was a brutally bad decision and risk that never should have been taken. 

SAR I

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7 hours ago, Maxman said:

It has everything to do with Fitz. Fans lobbied for Geno over Fitz. The Jets sucked with Fitz and would have been better with Geno.

None of it matters now, both of them are gone. All that remains is your fixation.

Geno can't hurt us anymore.

A handful of fans lobbied for Geno over Fitz.  The vast majority of the fanbase was quite relieved when Fitzpatrick signed after his brilliant 10-5 campaign.

It does matter now.  The pain we feel as an organization today is tied directly to the awful decision to bet the farm on a kid who fell like a stone from the first round and was an impulse-buy by a rookie GM like Tic Tac's at the grocery store checkout counter.  One of the worst decisions in team history, it's now set us back 5 seasons, that's 5 long years wasted on the wrong quarterback.  This shouldn't be swept under the rug so flippantly.

SAR I

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I think Fitz could easily sign right now if he wanted to. But his strategy is to wait and see if the market heats up (basically wait for injuries) and he can get a more representative type of salary. If he retires it's only because he didn't get a better offer and doesn't want  to go through the grind of being an inexpensive backup. He could sign a deal now with starting incentives  (in other words he gets extra money if he starts or even plays in a game). He's a lot younger than McCown and maybe he's just waiting to get that kind of a contract. Unlike the haters I don't think last season was all his fault. But in an adverse situation (after a long holdout and the team playing badly esp on defense) he did not raise the bar he was even worse than the other guys and they sucked. I was surprised at how little Geno signed for. A good deal for the Giants because the guy has starting experience in case Eli goes down and if they tried to use Geno as a basic game manager he might be ok. 

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6 hours ago, j4jets said:

Well I guess we can just release Hack now since he's a bigger failure than Geno, having been inactive almost the entire year. Or maybe, just maybe, we can look at the fact that Geno continuously beat out Fitz in almost every single practice, a 10+ year journeyman. Or perhaps it's the fact he played well in only the games he had two non-superstar starting WRs named Decker and Harvin? Although I agree he was a failure when he was passing to the likes of David Nelson, Holmes and Stephen Hills. That's ahhmazing group of WRs should've made a rookie QB look like Dan Marino, but he failed. Shocking! Plenty to put stooges back in their place when they run their mouths. 

Don't be ridiculous.

Geno Smith had 2 full seasons as a starter, went 12-20.  When he had a chance to get his job back and win the 11th game the Jets needed to make the playoffs, he played terribly in Oakland, was unprepared, brutal loss with a record-setting offense with weapons like Ivory, Decker, and Marshall in full bloom.

The resume for Geno Smith has been built for 4 years now.  He's a bad starter at 12-20 and he's a bad backup at 0-2.  Hack hasn't taken a snap yet.  We can call his career after 34 starts if you like, just like Geno.

SAR I

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5 hours ago, BurnleyJet said:

Let's Draft a real QB, and close this thread.

We did.  And then we drafted Geno Smith because the Buttfumble embarrassed a bunch of insecure Mets fans.

SAR I

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5 hours ago, ATX Jetsfan said:

This thread just makes me laugh. In typical Jets fashion, just watch. Eli gonna do down with some freak injury. Geno going to take the Giants all the way to a superbowl. Where at a tie game in the 4th quarter, Geno going to drive down the field, where he throws a game ending pick- 6 to Darrelle Revis. Another SB for the Pats. Geno now a redemption story and commodity for bringing the giants to a SB. Revis wins SB MVP.

Let Geno Smith win the Super Bowl this year, let him be the MVP for all we care.

We just don't want him winning it for the Jets.  Nothing worse than having to force yourself to like a player you despise.

SAR I

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While I like to think of myself as forward looking, I get the point of this thread.  While better players have left this off season and such departures have not been a source of much discussion, such as Mangold (Revis's departure did generate discussion, but partly that was over the effects of cutting him given his contract terms), Smith's departure deserves some note.

The reason is he had a vocal minority of fans supporting him, fans for the most part who lack football knowledge.  It was a never ending excuse-making machine.  It should have been obvious from his first season that he was unlikely to overcome his poor decision-making.  He shouldn't have been drafted in the first place, but once here the FO compounded the error in his first off season by standing pat with him and passing on Carr, among other mortal sins.  And that vocal minority kept on loudly supporting him right on through more or less to this thread.

Smith fans should be stand up and admit they were wrong about him all along.  Instead some complain about Fitzpatrick, as if such comparison makes Smith any better as a player, putting aside that Fitzpatrick clearly will have had the better career when both players are done.

For myself I am very unhappy that the Jets curren Qb roster is what it is.   But at least we don't have Smith on it anymore, and I count that as the best development of this off season, I would say by far.

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14 hours ago, SAR I said:

He is.

He's on the list of black quarterbacks.

SAR I

Yeah no.  You said he'd never get another job in the NFL because he was black listed.  

This is a good back tracking thread though.  I appreciate the effort.

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2 minutes ago, JiF said:

Yeah no.  You said he'd never get another job in the NFL because he was black listed.  

This is a good back tracking thread though.  I appreciate the effort.

Yeah, I thought it was funny.

SAR I

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8 minutes ago, Big Blocker said:

Smith's departure deserves some note.

The reason is he had a vocal minority of fans supporting him, fans for the most part who lack football knowledge.  It was a never ending excuse-making machine.  It should have been obvious from his first season that he was unlikely to overcome his poor decision-making.  He shouldn't have been drafted in the first place, but once here the FO compounded the error in his first off season by standing pat with him and passing on Carr, among other mortal sins.  And that vocal minority kept on loudly supporting him right on through more or less to this thread.

Smith fans should be stand up and admit they were wrong about him all along.  Instead some complain about Fitzpatrick, as if such comparison makes Smith any better as a player, putting aside that Fitzpatrick clearly will have had the better career when both players are done.

Perfectly stated.  Where is our apology from Geno Smith fans who were dead wrong?

They helped create the media swell to drive Sanchez out of town, they helped create the climate to give Geno the starting job, these people wasted 5 years and it looks like it'll take another 5 to get back to where we were.  Where is our apology?

SAR I

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Aside from the issue of an apology from Smith Fans, how about just one being stand up?, the contract he has with the Giants is relevant.  He couldn't have come any closer to being out of the league, and he still might not make their team, so let's not lose sight of that.

The NFL as a whole is saying that Smith Fans were wrong to argue that the Jets somehow were holding back a talented player.  Once he was "freed" from his contract with the Jets, this deal with the Giants was the best he could do.  He's only 27, if he was so great he would be seen as entering the peak years of his career, and this is what he got.

Just one Smith Fan to be stand up?  Doesn't seem like too much to ask.  But I will not hold my breath waiting for it.

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14 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Fans don't run players out of town. Fans don't decide starting quarterbacks.  Most of all FANS DON'T ******* APOLOGIZE ON MESSAGE BOARDS!

I do.  I am sorry I ever opened this thread.  Deeply sorry.  

Worst thread in months.

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