Maxman Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Lil Woody said: Our OL is not that bad. I'd agree it's a stupid pick to take a RB at 6, but not for that reason. I am with you, I think there is young talent on the OLine. I am happy with both guards. I am optimistic about Right Tackle. Left tackle won't be any worse than last year. Center is interesting, if Wesley puts on weight and gets stronger I think they are going to be fine. The coaches saw him for weeks, so they obviously feel comfortable letting him start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Woody Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Just now, Maxman said: I am with you, I think there is young talent on the OLine. I am happy with both guards. I am optimistic about Right Tackle. Left tackle won't be any worse than last year. Center is interesting, if Wesley puts on weight and gets stronger I think they are going to be fine. The coaches saw him for weeks, so they obviously feel comfortable letting him start. Yeah. And we as Jets fans also have a very odd view of the center position. We have been spoiled. From Fields, to Mawae to Mangold. It seems we have always had exceptional talent at the position. People don't know what to do when we don't have an all-pro at the position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 37 minutes ago, Savage69 said: So that means he has to like every one that in the HOF?? Martin has the most yards compiled because he had the most carries what other Jet RB category does he lead in?? LOL. He has the most yards because he has the most carries. This is hysterical. Jerry Rice only had so many yards because they threw him the ball so much? No idea why they kept handing the ball to Curtis. Why did the 49ers throw to Jerry so much? Dan Marino passed for all those yards. He only had that many passing yards because he threw so much lol. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, Lil Woody said: Yeah. And we as Jets fans also have a very odd view of the center position. We have been spoiled. From Fields, to Mawae to Mangold. It seems we have always had exceptional talent at the position. People don't know what to do when we don't have an all-pro at the position. My son played Center in high school and offensive tackle in college. So I spend an odd amount of time just watching the offensive lineman. There is so much pressure on the center. I was happy with Wesley last year but I think his strength needs to improve. And it would be nice if the Jets can somehow continue the string of good centers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 1 minute ago, Maxman said: LOL. He has the most yards because he has the most carries. This is hysterical. Jerry Rice only had so many yards because they threw him the ball so much? No idea why they kept handing the ball to Curtis. Why did the 49ers throw to Jerry so much? Dan Marino passed for all those yards. He only had that many passing yards because he threw so much lol. So according to Max facts since Vinny has more passing yds and TD's then Montana he's a better QB?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, Savage69 said: So according to Max facts since Vinny has more passing yds and TD's then Montana he's a better QB?? I didn't say that. You said, "Martin has the most yards compiled because he had the most carries" and I think that is funny. The guy stayed healthy and ran for 1,000 yards every year. Made the pro bowl a bunch of times. Was the oldest player to lead the league in rushing. Never caused a problem. Never had a scandal that hurt the team. Was a role model for his teammates and was recognized with the courage award. But you boil it down to he had a lot of yards because he had a lot of carries. Guess what? Guys who aren't really good, don't get to carry the ball a lot. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Woody Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 7 minutes ago, Maxman said: I didn't say that. You said, "Martin has the most yards compiled because he had the most carries" and I think that is funny. The guy stayed healthy and ran for 1,000 yards every year. Made the pro bowl a bunch of times. Was the oldest player to lead the league in rushing. Never caused a problem. Never had a scandal that hurt the team. Was a role model for his teammates and was recognized with the courage award. But you boil it down to he had a lot of yards because he had a lot of carries. Guess what? Guys who aren't really good, don't get to carry the ball a lot. I have typically found that the "anti-Curtis" movement can be boiled down to just one reason. He didn't have that elite speed, 5th gear. If anyone has any other reason not related to that, I'd love to hear the argument. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 2 hours ago, Lil Woody said: Our OL is not that bad. I'd agree it's a stupid pick to take a RB at 6, but not for that reason. why is it stupid? No position is stupid if the player is legit, you could use him. Eliminating a position entirely from consideration just because it's #6 is stupid. Plain stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 7 minutes ago, Paradis said: why is it stupid? No position is stupid if the player is legit, you could use him. Eliminating a position entirely from consideration just because it's #6 is stupid. Plain stupid. It's stupid because running back is like the 23rd most important position on a team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, Matt39 said: It's stupid because running back is like the 23rd most important position on a team. said no one, ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Just now, Paradis said: said no one, ever. Besides franchises who know what they are doing. The Jets are terrible at important positions like QB, pass rush and corner...taking a running back who cant play on 3rd downs and was too fat to run the agility drills at the combine would be the most Jets thing ever. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Maxman said: I didn't say that. You said, "Martin has the most yards compiled because he had the most carries" and I think that is funny. The guy stayed healthy and ran for 1,000 yards every year. Made the pro bowl a bunch of times. Was the oldest player to lead the league in rushing. Never caused a problem. Never had a scandal that hurt the team. Was a role model for his teammates and was recognized with the courage award. But you boil it down to he had a lot of yards because he had a lot of carries. Guess what? Guys who aren't really good, don't get to carry the ball a lot. Martin was the only Jet RB in history that called the Jets a bottom of the barrel team that he never wanted to play for..As a Jet he barely avg 4 ypc and avg 7 or 8 tds a year for his time with the Jets..The Tuna and a poison pill contract was the only reason he came from the Pats to the Jets and would have gone to the Cowboys when the Tuna coached there if his contract made it impossible to move him ... http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2012/07/curtis_martin_never_liked_foot.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 4 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Besides franchises who know what they are doing. The Jets are terrible at important positions like QB, pass rush and corner...taking a running back who cant play on 3rd downs and was too fat to run the agility drills at the combine would be the most Jets thing ever. I didn't say Fournette was the answer. I did say maintaining a belligerent perspective like yours, is stupid. Cause it is. Lets see... Cornerback who can't stay healthy, no tackles to speak of. Quarterbacks who need an analytics team on LSD to come up with reasons why they're good, and some redundant linemen... It soooo clear to me now. thank you. You take the best player at a position of need. It doesn't fcking matter what position that is. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 11 minutes ago, Savage69 said: Martin was the only Jet RB in history that called the Jets a bottom of the barrel team that he never wanted to play for..As a Jet he barely avg 4 ypc and avg 7 or 8 tds a year for his time with the Jets..The Tuna and a poison pill contract was the only reason he came from the Pats to the Jets and would have gone to the Cowboys when the Tuna coached there if his contract made it impossible to move him ... http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2012/07/curtis_martin_never_liked_foot.html Wait, a player that followed the money? No way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Paradis said: why is it stupid? No position is stupid if the player is legit, you could use him. Eliminating a position entirely from consideration just because it's #6 is stupid. Plain stupid. Because it's a passing league and you don't need a great running back. You can win a super bowl with a decent RB or 2 it happens every year almost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Matt39 said: Besides franchises who know what they are doing. The Jets are terrible at important positions like QB, pass rush and corner...taking a running back who cant play on 3rd downs and was too fat to run the agility drills at the combine would be the most Jets thing ever. Main problem and reason why none of us will ever get to see the jets ever win a super bowl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 32 minutes ago, thadude said: Because it's a passing league and you don't need a great running back. You can win a super bowl with a decent RB or 2 it happens every year almost b-grade armchair GM response Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, Paradis said: b-grade armchair GM response Yawn Hey hey how many Super Bowls have Adrian Peterson and Ladainian Tomlinson won? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 10 minutes ago, thadude said: Yawn *burp* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Just now, Paradis said: *burp* Way to answer the question homey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Hey hey how many Super Bowls have Adrian Peterson and Ladainian Tomlinson won? How many has Joe Thomas won? Larry Fitz? Peppers,, etc etc The only position that directly correlates to championships, is QB... show me a Manning this year and i'll take a hike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 22 minutes ago, thadude said: Yawn Hey hey how many Super Bowls have Adrian Peterson and Ladainian Tomlinson won? As many as Philip Rivers, Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford, Cam Newton ... You can play that game with any position. Since 2000, there have been TWENTY ONE QBs drafted in the top 6. Only one has won a Superbowl. Should we avoid QB too? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 So cool it's not like the two best running backs of the past 15 years neither has even been to a Super Bowl while the two best qb's have 7 Super Bowl trophies between them and represented the AFC in 4 straight SB's now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 I remember the man-love for Gurley on this board two years ago what his ypc last year? 3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 20 minutes ago, Paradis said: How many has Joe Thomas won? Larry Fitz? Peppers,, etc etc The only position that directly correlates to championships, is QB... show me a Manning this year and i'll take a hike I guess what you need to ask yourself is what player would you rather protect the QB you expect to land in the 2018 draft with from this year's draft . Or maybe add to the defense you have already assembled . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 19 hours ago, jbeachboy said: fournette deserves to be in that list, he is that good. im not joking, fournette is real deal, he will be right up there with ezekiel elliott next year or better. No Fournette doesn't deserve to be on that list. The guy hasn't played a down in the NFL and your comparing him HOF'ers. LOL. Oh and BTW I have also seen Jim Brown, Gale Sayers, OJ Simpson, Marcus Allen, Tony Dorsett, Larry Csonka play just to name a few. Oh and Ezekiel Elliot doesn't belong on that list or anywhere near it until he does it for more than 1 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 14 minutes ago, thadude said: I remember the man-love for Gurley on this board two years ago what his ypc last year? 3? And he had a sensational rookie season. The Rams offense as a whole last year was top 10 worst ever. What's your point? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 8 minutes ago, Tinstar said: I guess what you need to ask yourself is what player would you rather protect the QB you expect to land in the 2018 draft with from this year's draft . Or maybe add to the defense you have already assembled . 100%.... Ideally, we'd get a LT there @6... but there is none. A great running game certainly helps. Apparently Zeke helped Dak last year, but you wouldn't know it listening to the jackals on this board. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 5 minutes ago, Paradis said: 100%.... Ideally, we'd get a LT there @6... but there is none. A great running game certainly helps. Apparently Zeke helped Dak last year, but you wouldn't know it listening to the jackals on this board. Hey do you think that Forrest Lamp would make a good center Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 1 minute ago, Tinstar said: Hey do you think that Forrest Lamp would make a good center Not sure. Probably one of those - could he? yes, but should he, no - type situations. He's going to be stalwart somewhere on the line I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 1 minute ago, Paradis said: Not sure. Probably one of those - could he? yes, but should he, no - type situations. He's going to be stalwart somewhere on the line I think. I think he's too athletic to waste at OG and RT and his arms are just a tiny bit short for LT . He's probably a HOF type LG or an all pro center . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 3 hours ago, Paradis said: And he had a sensational rookie season. The Rams offense as a whole last year was top 10 worst ever. What's your point? Point is there is almost no such thing as a "game changing RB" anymore It's not 1995 anymore Paradis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Point is there is almost no such thing as a "game changing RB" anymore It's not 1995 anymore Paradis They don't need to be game changing, they just need to be the best player on the board.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 PLEASE trade back. PLEASE. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwave81 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, Ghost said: PLEASE trade back. PLEASE. Sure Macc would love to. Problem is, just like the last time we picked at #6, I don't see too many can't misses this year at #6 that are going to make others want to pay the cost of the trade; if there was, there'd be consensus on this board as to who were the say 1 or 2 options. I agree with you, if someone had the hots for Fournette for a team that was only shy a RB say, I'd rather trade back than take a RB at #6...or a S for that matter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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