Bowles is the biggest part of the problem, not the solution.

[thadude]

3 minutes ago, Jetdawgg said:

Not a sustainable way to run an NFL franchise by hoping a draft falls your way

Yet supposedly that's what we're doing

 

I don't think we are tanking at all.  Mac and Bowles are just way over their heads

 

[thadude]

1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said:

He earned last year's mulligan by his good first year. How can you not understand this? How can I make this simpler for you?

 If you are +1 your first year and you're -1 the second year, what does that equal? That equals 0. So, he gets a third year because he's not in the negative.

Now this year, the record wont mean much because they are going to most likely suck anyway, So it will come down to whether his players play with consistent effort this year and the young players show improvement. That's it. If that happens, he's fine. If not, he's gone.

We went 10-6 against the NFL's easiest schedule and missed the playoffs

 

Bowles didn't win the super bowl. 

 

Relax

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, thadude said:

We went 10-6 against the NFL's easiest schedule and missed the playoffs

 

Bowles didn't win the super bowl. 

 

Relax

Did you not read what I said before? 

30 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

When you win 10 games your first season, regardless of how it's done, you're going to be looked at as a qualified head coach. That's basically it. No matter how much of a mirage it might be.

 

[Jetdawgg]

5 minutes ago, thadude said:

Yet supposedly that's what we're doing

 

I don't think we are tanking at all.  Mac and Bowles are just way over their heads

 

If only the fans here could see that

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, Jetdawgg said:

If only the fans here could see that

Yes, let's dump Brandon Marshall. Because that;s not a sign of tanking.

[thadude]

Just now, Jetdawgg said:

If only the fans here could see that

I love this prevailing thought that the Jets are tanking for Darnold-- that is so not what is happening 

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, thadude said:

I love this prevailing thought that the Jets are tanking for Darnold-- that is so not what is happening 

And now that I see you have the sentence structure of a Valley Girl, a lot of things make sense to me. (Not a personal attack, just an observation)

[Jetdawgg]

1 minute ago, thadude said:

I love this prevailing thought that the Jets are tanking for Darnold-- that is so not what is happening 

Lol. The only thing right now that is clear to me is that the Jets do not have a QB. They are the weakest team in the AFCE at that position

[Jetdawgg]

3 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

Yes, let's dump Brandon Marshall. Because that;s not a sign of tanking.

The Jets can get a 50% catch rate from Don Maynard

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, Jetdawgg said:

Lol. The only thing right now that is clear to me is that the Jets do not have a QB. They are the weakest team in the AFCE at that position

Man, I knew that back in January.

[thadude]

1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said:

And now that I see you have the sentence structure of a Valley Girl, a lot of things make sense to me. (Not a personal attack, just an observation)

Too bad Christian Hackenturd plays qb like a Valley Girl

[thadude]

2 minutes ago, Jetdawgg said:

Lol. The only thing right now that is clear to me is that the Jets do not have a QB. They are the weakest team in the AFCE at that position

The jets management is really lost right now

[Jetdawgg]

Just now, UnitedWhofans said:

Man, I knew that back in January.

And now it is even worse

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, Jetdawgg said:

And now it is even worse

No it's not. It's the same.

[Jetdawgg]

1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said:

No it's not. It's the same.

Really? Oy

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, Jetdawgg said:

Really? Oy

It is, You replace one old veteran for another and the two young ones.

[UnitedWhofans]

BTW, I don't think they are intentionally tanking.

They are saying "We're probably not going to be good this year, so we'll get some low risk people in on short term deals and play our young guys and see what happens." That's the plan

[Jetdawgg]

6 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

It is, You replace one old veteran for another and the two young ones.

That should not be the criteria for better. Kaepernick is better than all 3

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, Jetdawgg said:

That should not be the criteria for better. Kaepernick is better than all 3

I never said they were better. I said they were the same

[Beerfish]

40 minutes ago, Jetdawgg said:

Why do you give Macc a pass? He is not any brighter. Just look at this years QB's and last ears roster. Stop with this sh1t already

I'm not he has failed on 3 out of 4 picks in the 1st two rounds since he came here.  I've said repeatedly if he does not totally nail this draft he should be gone.  He is handicapped though by a system coach who has no clue on how to use players that do not fit nicely in his 'hybrid' scheme.

All GMs should control who the coach is so they can effectively be on the same page when building a team.

[DonCorleone]

12 minutes ago, thadude said:

Too bad Christian Hackenturd plays qb like a Valley Girl

Another wasted pick

[ZachEY]

56 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

But who judges delusion? What makes you the judge of delusion

And actually you are right, Should have remembered QI. Many people thought the world was round.

The fact that I can support my stance with factual information is what makes me the judge in this particular case.

Wrong, in large part due to inadequate information, =/= delusion.

[billo83]

2 hours ago, southparkcpa said:

It goes to our MORON owner.  A real businessman would figure out Bowles is an empty skulled nitwit.

Yet Woody hired him.  Another DC who fooled our Owner.

In all fairness to Woody, Toilet Bowle was one of the hottest candidates out there that year by all accounts and recommended by his "expert" consultants. I can't blame Woody for the hire.

That being said, I do blame Woody for not firing the toilet after last season when it was obvious he can't coach his way out of a paper bag,

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, gEYno said:

The fact that I can support my stance with factual information is what makes me the judge in this particular case.

Wrong, in large part due to inadequate information, =/= delusion.

And what is this factual information concerning the fans? Seriously, I would like to see it

[dbatesman]

9 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

BTW, I don't think they are intentionally tanking.

They are saying "We're probably not going to be good this year, so we'll get some low risk people in on short term deals and play our young guys and see what happens." That's the plan

Like when they offered $12mm per to a 27-year-old inside linebacker

[UnitedWhofans]

1 minute ago, dbatesman said:

Like when they offered $12mm per to a 27-year-old inside linebacke

The more I think about it, the more I think that was just a Hail Mary to see if he would take it or not. I have a feeling that they were pretty sure that he was going to go back to New England, so they just offered up something to see if he would take it, knowing that he wouldn't.  Maybe to jack the price on NE? Possibly.

In other words, the Jets kind of bluffed, and Hightower didn't call them on it.

And the fact that they didn't go after another ILB after that kind of confirms that.

 

[dbatesman]

1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said:

The more I think about it, the more I think that was just a Hail Mary to see if he would take it or not. I have a feeling that they were pretty sure that he was going to go back to New England, so they just offered up something to see if he would take it, knowing that he wouldn't.  Maybe to jack the price on NE? Possibly.

In other words, the Jets kind of bluffed, and Hightower didn't call them on it,

 

somebody oughta stake Bigg Macc for the WSOP

[ZachEY]

1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said:

And what is this factual information concerning the fans? Seriously, I would like to see it

"The fans" are not employed by the team, and "the fans" don't make decisions for the team.  "The fans" also don't play football on Sundays, and in that sense, don't affect the results.  I don't know what more you're asking for.

That sometimes, "the fans" have an opinion, and the management shares that opinion and acts on it, does not mean "the fans" make the decision, or even influence it.

Here's an example... "The fans" would have fired Bowles this year, no?  So, why wasn't Bowles fired?

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, dbatesman said:

somebody oughta stake Bigg Macc for the WSOP

No I think the Steelers did it too. Both teams said "You walk out that door, the deal's off." Almost as if they wanted Hightower to say "No thanks."

[ZachEY]

3 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

The more I think about it, the more I think that was just a Hail Mary to see if he would take it or not. I have a feeling that they were pretty sure that he was going to go back to New England, so they just offered up something to see if he would take it, knowing that he wouldn't.  Maybe to jack the price on NE? Possibly.

In other words, the Jets kind of bluffed, and Hightower didn't call them on it.

And the fact that they didn't go after another ILB after that kind of confirms that.

The mental gymnastics it takes for you to confirm your opinions is tremendously impressive.

[dbatesman]

Just now, UnitedWhofans said:

No I think the Steelers did it too. Both teams said "You walk out that door, the deal's off." Almost as if they wanted Hightower to say "No thanks."

Bigg Macc's a riverboat gambler with nothin to lose

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, gEYno said:

"The fans" are not employed by the team, and "the fans" don't make decisions for the team.  "The fans" also don't play football on Sundays, and in that sense, don't affect the results.  I don't know what more you're asking for.

That sometimes, "the fans" have an opinion, and the management shares that opinion and acts on it, does not mean "the fans" make the decision, or even influence it.

Here's an example... "The fans" would have fired Bowles this year, no?  So, why wasn't Bowles fired?

That's a very good question. And also why is Woody seemingly going along with this "rebuild"? It goes against everything he has done in the past. So what has changed?

Answer: 

[ZachEY]

11 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

That's a very good question. And also why is Woody seemingly going along with this "rebuild"? It goes against everything he has done in the past. So what has changed?

Answer: 

So, lets say you're correct, even though there's no factual evidence to support this, as Woody Johnson remains the owner of the Jets, attended the NFL owners meeting, and is not officially the ambassador of anything today... What about all of the other times that "the fans" didn't agree with what the Jets did?  What about all of those times when Woody Johnson wasn't at some point going to become the ambassador to England and the Jets still went against the will of "the fans"?

Here's the reality - you want to blame Jets fans, because you, frankly, don't like Jets fans.  You've made this clear.  So, you look for a reason to blame the fans for the teams failures.  When the Jets fire Idzik, which was a good move at the time, and confirmed by history, you blame the fans because the fans wanted him gone.  When the Jets don't fire Bowles/Macc, you find some alternative excuse as to why the Jets weren't listening to the fans this time.  You're completely blind to objective reality by your own biases.

[UnitedWhofans]

2 minutes ago, gEYno said:

So, lets say you're correct, even though there's no factual evidence to support this, as Woody Johnson remains the owner of the Jets, attended the NFL owners meeting, with his brother,  and is not officially the ambassador of anything today... What about all of the other times that "the fans" didn't agree with what the Jets did?  What about all of those times when Woody Johnson wasn't at some point going to become the ambassador to England and the Jets still went against the will of "the fans"?

Examples?

[ZachEY]

Just now, UnitedWhofans said:

Examples?

LOL.  I can only assume you've been a Jet fan for like 20 minutes.