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19 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Thank God we got so much better at drafting.

Word.  Mac's first 7th round pick will have a better career than 12 of Idzik's 13 picks in '14.  

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4 minutes ago, AFJF said:

Word.  Mac's first 7th round pick will have a better career than 12 of Idzik's 13 picks in '14.  

Admittedly, coming away with two DT's in two drafts makes the fact that every other pick could retire tomorrow and no one would notice seem less upsetting.

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3 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

I was actually excited abut a draft where we had 75 picks. I thought, hey the odds are.....

Idzik deservedly takes the fall for that, but it's an indictment of the entire organization that those picks failed like that. Every scout, every coach, every personnel hack should have been purged.

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12 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Idzik deservedly takes the fall for that, but it's an indictment of the entire organization that those picks failed like that. Every scout, every coach, every personnel hack should have been purged.

100% for sure a case where avg joe mock draft fan would have done better.

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Basically the average NFL career for guys who make rosters is something like 3 plus years. So some of these players are almost ancient history because it's like 4 years since Idzik's first draft. Even guys like Sammy Watkins who were top picks are on the bubble at least with their original teams. The NFL landscape of players is changing drastically every 3 years. 

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2 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

100% for sure a case where avg joe mock draft fan would have done better.

I think the sh*t-ass beat reporters are missing out on a goldmine by not writing a book about the lead-up to that draft. Like, if you told me that Idzik just really hated Rex, hated Woody, and hated his job and and tried to pull a Major League so he could get out of it, I'd completely buy it.

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52 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Idzik deservedly takes the fall for that, but it's an indictment of the entire organization that those picks failed like that. Every scout, every coach, every personnel hack should have been purged.

I think they all were, so there is justice.

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3 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Idzik deservedly takes the fall for that, but it's an indictment of the entire organization that those picks failed like that. Every scout, every coach, every personnel hack should have been purged.

Interestingly enough, Idzik did some college "scouting" of his own during the 2013 college football season.  I know for sure that Pryor was Idzik's pick all the way.  He went down to UCF to watch Louisville at UCF and came back with a hardon for Pryor.  

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45 minutes ago, detectivekimble said:

Interestingly enough, Idzik did some college "scouting" of his own during the 2013 college football season.  I know for sure that Pryor was Idzik's pick all the way.  He went down to UCF to watch Louisville at UCF and came back with a hardon for Pryor.  

Yeah, as much as I'd love to hang Pryor around Rex's neck, I recall the story about Idzik calling Rex and telling him "you're gonna love this guy" or something. 

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1 hour ago, detectivekimble said:

Interestingly enough, Idzik did some college "scouting" of his own during the 2013 college football season.  I know for sure that Pryor was Idzik's pick all the way.  He went down to UCF to watch Louisville at UCF and came back with a hardon for Pryor.  

As Tanny had a Hardon for Vlad.  They are both numbers guys with little ability to see the forest from the trees.

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9 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Admittedly, coming away with two DT's in two drafts makes the fact that every other pick could retire tomorrow and no one would notice seem less upsetting.

It wouldn't be upsetting to you @T0mShane, (but not much is) but for those of us who were encouraged by the likes of Anderson, Shell, Burris, and Jenkins along with Leo and Simon...we are actually looking forward to watch them take what we hope will be the next step toward being quality NFL starters.  Even Peake gets a pass for last season IMO.  When the QB play is as bad as the Jets had, how productive is a part-time seventh round receiver going to be?

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5 hours ago, thadude said:

Mac is giving him competition

So hard to figure out which one was worse when you look at this.....

  Misc       Passing Rushing Receiving      
Year Rnd   Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2016 1 Darron Lee 20 OLB 2016 0 0 1 4 13                         1.0 Ohio St.
2016 2 Christian Hackenberg 51 QB   0 0 0                               Penn St.
2016 3 Jordan Jenkins 83 OLB 2016 0 0 1 5 14                         2.5 Georgia
2016 4 Juston Burris 118 CB 2016 0 0 0 1 16                       1   North Carolina St.
2016 5 Brandon Shell 158 T 2016 0 0 0 2 8                           South Carolina
2016 7 Lac Edwards 235 P 2016 0 0 1 0 16           1 0 0           Sam Houston St.
2016 7 Charone Peake 241 WR 2016 0 0 0 1 15                 19 186 0     Clemson
Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2015 1 Leonard Williams 6 DE 2016 0 1 1 19 32                         10.0 USC
2015 2 Devin Smith 37 WR 2016 0 0 0 1 14                 10 135 1     Ohio St.
2015 3 Lorenzo Mauldin 82 OLB 2016 0 0 0 4 26                       1 6.5 Louisville
2015 4 Bryce Petty 103 QB 2016 0 0 0 2 6 75 133 809 3 7 5 19 0           Baylor
2015 5 Jarvis Harrison 152 G   0 0 0                               Texas A&M
2015 7 Deon Simon 223 NT 2016 0 0 0 2 16                         1.5 NW State (LA)

 

Vs This....

 

2014 1 Calvin Pryor 18 DB 2016 0 0 3 14 44                       2 0.5 Louisville
2014 2 Jace Amaro 49 TE 2016 0 0 0 4 17                 41 404 2     Texas Tech
2014 3 Dexter McDougle 80 DB 2016 0 0 0 1 20                           Maryland
2014 4 Jalen Saunders 104 WR 2014 0 0 0 0 15                 1 7 0     Oklahoma
2014 4 Shaquelle Evans 115 WR   0 0 0                               UCLA
2014 4 Dakota Dozier 137 OL 2016 0 0 0 1 17                           Furman
2014 5 Jeremiah George 154 LB 2015 0 0 0 1 21                           Iowa St.
2014 6 Brandon Dixon 195 DB 2014 0 0 0 1 14                       1   NW Missouri St.
2014 6 Quincy Enunwa 209 WR 2016 0 0 1 9 29           1 12 0 80 1172 4     Nebraska
2014 6 IK Enemkpali 210 DT 2015 0 0 0 1 17                           Louisiana Tech
2014 6 Tajh Boyd 213 QB   0 0 0                               Clemson
2014 7 Trevor Reilly 233 LB 2016 0 0 0 2 31                         1.0 Utah
Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2013 1 Dee Milliner 9 DB 2015 0 0 1 6 21                       3   Alabama
2013 1 Sheldon Richardson 13 DT 2016 0 1 2 26 58           4 4 2         18.0 Missouri
2013 2 Geno Smith 39 QB 2016 0 0 2 14 33 501 866 5962 28 36 135 647 7 1 13 0     West Virginia
2013 3 Brian Winters 72 G 2016 0 0 3 15 51                           Kent St.
2013 5 Oday Aboushi 141 T 2016 0 0 1 7 26                           Virginia
2013 6 William Campbell 178 OL   0 0 0                               Michigan
2013 7 Tommy Bohanon 215 RB 2015 0 0 1 1 36           20 67 0 17 155 0     Wake Forest

 

Idzik needed 19 picks to find  5 NFL players who are JAG or better (Pryor, Enunwa, Sheldon, Winters, Dozier) and thats' being generous as Dozier only has a couple of starts.

Mac has at least 8 guys who have shown they may be able to play in the NFL with 13 picks.  5 out of 19 or 8 out of 13...the similarity is uncanny..

As we always say, you need three years to grade a draft, Mac's first class is about to enter their third season, so saying they're great or terrible at this point is early.  What we can say is that they've shown signs of being capable NFL players at the very least...far more than roughly 13 of Idzik's 19 picks.

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50 minutes ago, AFJF said:

So hard to figure out which one was worse when you look at this.....

  Misc       Passing Rushing Receiving      
Year Rnd   Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2016 1 Darron Lee 20 OLB 2016 0 0 1 4 13                         1.0 Ohio St.
2016 2 Christian Hackenberg 51 QB   0 0 0                               Penn St.
2016 3 Jordan Jenkins 83 OLB 2016 0 0 1 5 14                         2.5 Georgia
2016 4 Juston Burris 118 CB 2016 0 0 0 1 16                       1   North Carolina St.
2016 5 Brandon Shell 158 T 2016 0 0 0 2 8                           South Carolina
2016 7 Lac Edwards 235 P 2016 0 0 1 0 16           1 0 0           Sam Houston St.
2016 7 Charone Peake 241 WR 2016 0 0 0 1 15                 19 186 0     Clemson
Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2015 1 Leonard Williams 6 DE 2016 0 1 1 19 32                         10.0 USC
2015 2 Devin Smith 37 WR 2016 0 0 0 1 14                 10 135 1     Ohio St.
2015 3 Lorenzo Mauldin 82 OLB 2016 0 0 0 4 26                       1 6.5 Louisville
2015 4 Bryce Petty 103 QB 2016 0 0 0 2 6 75 133 809 3 7 5 19 0           Baylor
2015 5 Jarvis Harrison 152 G   0 0 0                               Texas A&M
2015 7 Deon Simon 223 NT 2016 0 0 0 2 16                         1.5 NW State (LA)

 

Vs This....

 

2014 1 Calvin Pryor 18 DB 2016 0 0 3 14 44                       2 0.5 Louisville
2014 2 Jace Amaro 49 TE 2016 0 0 0 4 17                 41 404 2     Texas Tech
2014 3 Dexter McDougle 80 DB 2016 0 0 0 1 20                           Maryland
2014 4 Jalen Saunders 104 WR 2014 0 0 0 0 15                 1 7 0     Oklahoma
2014 4 Shaquelle Evans 115 WR   0 0 0                               UCLA
2014 4 Dakota Dozier 137 OL 2016 0 0 0 1 17                           Furman
2014 5 Jeremiah George 154 LB 2015 0 0 0 1 21                           Iowa St.
2014 6 Brandon Dixon 195 DB 2014 0 0 0 1 14                       1   NW Missouri St.
2014 6 Quincy Enunwa 209 WR 2016 0 0 1 9 29           1 12 0 80 1172 4     Nebraska
2014 6 IK Enemkpali 210 DT 2015 0 0 0 1 17                           Louisiana Tech
2014 6 Tajh Boyd 213 QB   0 0 0                               Clemson
2014 7 Trevor Reilly 233 LB 2016 0 0 0 2 31                         1.0 Utah
Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2013 1 Dee Milliner 9 DB 2015 0 0 1 6 21                       3   Alabama
2013 1 Sheldon Richardson 13 DT 2016 0 1 2 26 58           4 4 2         18.0 Missouri
2013 2 Geno Smith 39 QB 2016 0 0 2 14 33 501 866 5962 28 36 135 647 7 1 13 0     West Virginia
2013 3 Brian Winters 72 G 2016 0 0 3 15 51                           Kent St.
2013 5 Oday Aboushi 141 T 2016 0 0 1 7 26                           Virginia
2013 6 William Campbell 178 OL   0 0 0                               Michigan
2013 7 Tommy Bohanon 215 RB 2015 0 0 1 1 36           20 67 0 17 155 0     Wake Forest

 

Idzik needed 19 picks to find  5 NFL players who are JAG or better (Pryor, Enunwa, Sheldon, Winters, Dozier) and thats' being generous as Dozier only has a couple of starts.

Mac has at least 8 guys who have shown they may be able to play in the NFL with 13 picks.  5 out of 19 or 8 out of 13...the similarity is uncanny..

As we always say, you need three years to grade a draft, Mac's first class is about to enter their third season, so saying they're great or terrible at this point is early.  What we can say is that they've shown signs of being capable NFL players at the very least...far more than roughly 13 of Idzik's 19 picks.

What a great post and a welcome  breath of fresh air to see around here.  Idzik is comparable to no one other than Matt Millen and I would argue he was worse.

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, AFJF said:

So hard to figure out which one was worse when you look at this.....

  Misc       Passing Rushing Receiving      
Year Rnd   Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2016 1 Darron Lee 20 OLB 2016 0 0 1 4 13                         1.0 Ohio St.
2016 2 Christian Hackenberg 51 QB   0 0 0                               Penn St.
2016 3 Jordan Jenkins 83 OLB 2016 0 0 1 5 14                         2.5 Georgia
2016 4 Juston Burris 118 CB 2016 0 0 0 1 16                       1   North Carolina St.
2016 5 Brandon Shell 158 T 2016 0 0 0 2 8                           South Carolina
2016 7 Lac Edwards 235 P 2016 0 0 1 0 16           1 0 0           Sam Houston St.
2016 7 Charone Peake 241 WR 2016 0 0 0 1 15                 19 186 0     Clemson
Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2015 1 Leonard Williams 6 DE 2016 0 1 1 19 32                         10.0 USC
2015 2 Devin Smith 37 WR 2016 0 0 0 1 14                 10 135 1     Ohio St.
2015 3 Lorenzo Mauldin 82 OLB 2016 0 0 0 4 26                       1 6.5 Louisville
2015 4 Bryce Petty 103 QB 2016 0 0 0 2 6 75 133 809 3 7 5 19 0           Baylor
2015 5 Jarvis Harrison 152 G   0 0 0                               Texas A&M
2015 7 Deon Simon 223 NT 2016 0 0 0 2 16                         1.5 NW State (LA)

 

Vs This....

 

2014 1 Calvin Pryor 18 DB 2016 0 0 3 14 44                       2 0.5 Louisville
2014 2 Jace Amaro 49 TE 2016 0 0 0 4 17                 41 404 2     Texas Tech
2014 3 Dexter McDougle 80 DB 2016 0 0 0 1 20                           Maryland
2014 4 Jalen Saunders 104 WR 2014 0 0 0 0 15                 1 7 0     Oklahoma
2014 4 Shaquelle Evans 115 WR   0 0 0                               UCLA
2014 4 Dakota Dozier 137 OL 2016 0 0 0 1 17                           Furman
2014 5 Jeremiah George 154 LB 2015 0 0 0 1 21                           Iowa St.
2014 6 Brandon Dixon 195 DB 2014 0 0 0 1 14                       1   NW Missouri St.
2014 6 Quincy Enunwa 209 WR 2016 0 0 1 9 29           1 12 0 80 1172 4     Nebraska
2014 6 IK Enemkpali 210 DT 2015 0 0 0 1 17                           Louisiana Tech
2014 6 Tajh Boyd 213 QB   0 0 0                               Clemson
2014 7 Trevor Reilly 233 LB 2016 0 0 0 2 31                         1.0 Utah
Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2013 1 Dee Milliner 9 DB 2015 0 0 1 6 21                       3   Alabama
2013 1 Sheldon Richardson 13 DT 2016 0 1 2 26 58           4 4 2         18.0 Missouri
2013 2 Geno Smith 39 QB 2016 0 0 2 14 33 501 866 5962 28 36 135 647 7 1 13 0     West Virginia
2013 3 Brian Winters 72 G 2016 0 0 3 15 51                           Kent St.
2013 5 Oday Aboushi 141 T 2016 0 0 1 7 26                           Virginia
2013 6 William Campbell 178 OL   0 0 0                               Michigan
2013 7 Tommy Bohanon 215 RB 2015 0 0 1 1 36           20 67 0 17 155 0     Wake Forest

 

Idzik needed 19 picks to find  5 NFL players who are JAG or better (Pryor, Enunwa, Sheldon, Winters, Dozier) and thats' being generous as Dozier only has a couple of starts.

Mac has at least 8 guys who have shown they may be able to play in the NFL with 13 picks.  5 out of 19 or 8 out of 13...the similarity is uncanny..

As we always say, you need three years to grade a draft, Mac's first class is about to enter their third season, so saying they're great or terrible at this point is early.  What we can say is that they've shown signs of being capable NFL players at the very least...far more than roughly 13 of Idzik's 19 picks.

Included in that "19 picks" are 7 picks taken in the sixth and seventh rounds. Jace Amaro had 53 catches as a rookie, or 43 more than Devin Smith has had in two seasons. Smith and Lorenzo Mauldin are likely cuts this year, and if they draft a QB, Petty will be gone too. Darron Lee was getting replaced by Julian Stanford and Bruce Carter at times last year and looked like the overmatched gimp strong safety we all knew he'd be even before he had the crippling soft-tissue injury that most 180-pound dudes get when they take steroids to get up to 220 lbs. Brandon Shell showed so much promise that they gave Jags castoff Kelvin Beachum $11 mil to replace him. Let's leave Hackenberg out of this conversation as a small mercy to you. We can hope they improve, but it's blind optimism to suggest that Maccagnan is light years better than anyone, even someone like Idzik, yet.

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8 hours ago, thadude said:

Mac's drafts have been as bad or worse

Are u f*cking kidding me? So he took a flyer on Hackenberg with a 2nd rounder. I'd rather fail picking a QB at 2, then pick Stephen Hill, Vlad Ducasse, and all the rest that have failed since David Harris was taken in the 2nd round. 

You guys expect too much too soon out of draft picks. My god, every WR Macc took late or picked up as UDFAs is better than all of Idziks picks except Quincy Enunwa who most of you boobs called a bust too. Robbie Anderson might turn out to be better than Quincy when it's all said & done at being a wide receiver. Quincy is a bit of a hybrid who still is working on his hands, though he gets better every year.

Ive said this before, a blind folded monkey throwing darts would have probably done a better job than Idzik. I still don't get the Macc hate yet? No GM is gonna draft at 100% success rate. We picked at f*cking 20 last year, who would you have taken over Lee there? Macc is trying to add speed to every level of the defense. If he comes away with Adams in this draft Lee, Adams could be similar to Wagner/Thomas combo in Seattle. Until we get a QB he's gotta find starters & he's doing that.

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1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

 

Included in that "19 picks" are 7 picks taken in the sixth and seventh rounds. Jace Amaro had 53 catches as a rookie, or 43 more than Devin Smith has had in two seasons. Smith and Lorenzo Mauldin are likely cuts this year, and if they draft a QB, Petty will be gone too. Darron Lee was getting replaced by Julian Stanford and Bruce Carter at times last year and looked like the overmatched gimp strong safety we all knew he'd be even before he had the crippling soft-tissue injury that most 180-pound dudes get when they take steroids to get up to 220 lbs. Brandon Shell showed so much promise that they gave Jags castoff Kelvin Beachum $11 mil to replace him. Let's leave Hackenberg out of this conversation as a small mercy to you. We can hope they improve, but it's blind optimism to suggest that Maccagnan is light years better than anyone, even someone like Idzik, yet.

What moron GM uses 14 picks in 1 draft without at least 1 trade up...what a fkg idziot 

He was a complete failure who single handedly set the jets back years.

There is no comparison to Macc except from those who actually thought Gen Smith was an NFL QB. 

 

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13 hours ago, southparkcpa said:

As Tanny had a Hardon for Vlad.  They are both numbers guys with little ability to see the forest from the trees.

I don't know how much Tannenbaum relied on his scouts, but Idzik did what Idzik wanted.  Not saying that Rex Ryan -- or any coach -- should be the ones making the draft selections, but other than Tajh Boyd, Rex didn't have much input into any of Idzik's draft picks or FA moves.  

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