AFJF Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Kizer in rd 2...yes or no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 NO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Noooo! Pat Mahomes yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted April 23, 2017 Author Share Posted April 23, 2017 Just now, BurnleyJet said: Noooo! Pat Mahomes yes! Agreed...but Mahomes won't be there in rd 2 IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 The thing about Kizer is that, if you look at his pros and cons, he's basically this year's Hackenberg. Who's the actual better prospect I don't know, maybe Kizer is more acccuate in shorts? I'd rather throw caution to the wind w Mahomes if they take a QB. He's probably the one guy I can see myself getting excited about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Edge Rusher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said: Noooo! Pat Mahomes yes! This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 27 minutes ago, AFJF said: Kizer in rd 2...yes or no? No thank you. 6th best prospect in a so-called down class? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkus Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 No. I take hack over kizer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Difficult to justify the philosophy two years in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 If there was a vegas prop bet on wasted 2nd round picks, I'd bet the farm on Kizer being it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 38 minutes ago, AFJF said: Agreed...but Mahomes won't be there in rd 2 IMO. Who will take him later? -May be worth trading back into the 1st later for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangrene Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 My guess is Kizer is not going to make it in the NFL, despite prototypical size, only qb ready to play this year etc... sooo no, not in the second, not anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 no, geno part deaux. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Damnit. Take a player with a high FLOOR in the 2nd round. The high ceiling picks clearly don't work for this franchise in the 2nd. If this crap scouting department could find a starting guard, or even a nickel back in the 2nd... it would be a win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 He stinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Dbl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 19 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said: Who will take him later? -May be worth trading back into the 1st later for him. I think Mahomes ceiling is 10th with the Bills, floor 25th with Texans, and there are about 6 different teams that wouldn't surprise me if they picked him that actually pick between 10-25 (Bills, Browns, Cardinals, Redskins, Giants, Texans, and if the Jets trade back into the 1st round they are a 7th team that might think about it, but I doubt it because the Jets never take the guy I want at QB lol). Back on topic as far as Kizer goes I wouldn't touch him before the 3rd comp pick if I'm the Jets, BUT I wouldn't be shocked if some team falls in love with his elite prototypical NFL QB size, and thinking they can develop him, and take him in the 1st, most likely a team that has a starting QB that will not be pushed for 2 years unless he walks away like the Steelers which is more walks away gets injured issue, maybe Chiefs if Kizer reminds Reid of McNabb, something along those lines. IF he doesn't get drafted in the 1st round he might even free fall to late 2nd if the teams at the top who need a QB ASAP didn't like him for the 1st they might pass again because of the deep talent at other positions that will be available in the early 2nd round should be interesting to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Woody Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 I like Kizer but only in a good situation for him. Like every qb in this class, he needs to be put on the bench and developed as a #2 for a couple years be\fore he's ready to play. Rushing him along will not benefit him in any way. Kid has the best tools and highest ceiling imo. If he can sit and learn the pro game, develop patience in pocket, get through progressions and not force throws and refine his footwork to stop making bizarre off balanced throws...I think he can actually be a very good player. Those are issues for almost every QB coming in though. There is very little that the kid can't do. He just needs to be developed more and get comfortable. If the Jets were willing to keep the QB pipeline rolling and let Petty transition to Hack and redshirt Kizer like they did Hack, I'd have no issue taking him. But that takes a huge set of balls. But it also leaves a franchise with better odds at finding a QB. And if we land a top QB prospect in 2018, no harm, no foul. You allow your QB pipeline to all compete and best man gets the job. Then you see if you have a FQB and trade away the rest to some desperate franchise like us who is drowning in a QB starved league. But people will be in full bitch mode and demanding Macc's head on a pike. He'd need our Trust Fund Baby's blessing and should demand some financial guarantees in the form of an extension to comfortably make that pick though....and should be pushing for a wink nod agreement that he is solely in charge of hiring the next coach. So since none of those things are going to happen....no....we should pass and take some edge rusher, CB, TE or WR there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 I wouldn't. His college coach said he should have stayed one more year. Funny, Pete Carroll said the same thing about one of his QB's that was leaving early. His name was Mark Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Woody Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Ex-Rex said: I wouldn't. His college coach said he should have stayed one more year. Funny, Pete Carroll said the same thing about one of his QB's that was leaving early. His name was Mark Sanchez. And Pete looked pretty stupid when Mark was actually doing well before we eroded all of his supporting talent and then he cracked and never recovered. I fault the failures with that QB more on this pathetic franchise than I do on Mark's mental frailty (though that was certainly a factor). We gave him absolutely nothing of value to help him develop. We actually made it harder and harder for him as we went along. He broke. We discarded him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Just now, Lil Woody said: And Pete looked pretty stupid when Mark was actually doing well before we eroded all of his supporting talent and then he cracked and never recovered. I fault the failures with that QB more on this pathetic franchise than I do on Mark's mental frailty (though that was certainly a factor). We gave him absolutely nothing of value to help him develop. We actually made it harder and harder for him as we went along. He broke. We discarded him. I agree with you to a point. I agree that Rex and Tanny took away his best OL, RB, WR - 2 of them, Edwards and Cotchery and gave him nothing back. Shonn Greene? Yeah right. Plaxico Burress, please. Also losing Brian Schottenheimer hurt his development at a most critical point. But, Sanchez has since gone to better opportunities in Philadelphia and failed to do well there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Woody Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 12 minutes ago, Ex-Rex said: I agree with you to a point. I agree that Rex and Tanny took away his best OL, RB, WR - 2 of them, Edwards and Cotchery and gave him nothing back. Shonn Greene? Yeah right. Plaxico Burress, please. Also losing Brian Schottenheimer hurt his development at a most critical point. But, Sanchez has since gone to better opportunities in Philadelphia and failed to do well there. I'm not exonerating him. He carries a lot of the fault too, just pointing out that the Jets were the bigger failure of the 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Again, I'm not a fan of kizer simply because I think there is a greater chance that he fails than succeeds. Same with every QB in this class. With that said, one of these guys will be good in a year or two. So waiting to the second isn't terrible. But I don't this front office has the equity to take another project at QB in the second. I think we land one of the QBs with our comp pick. Whether it's kizer, webb, Peterman... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 He's the black Hackenberg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 4 minutes ago, NoBowles said: He's the black Hackenberg. Blackenberg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 I don't want the Jets to draft him because that would be a waste. He needs to go to a good situation. If the Jets didn't waste a 2nd last year, sure but there won't be enough reps for everyone. He's a much better prospect than Hack, but the Jets staff would waste him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 17 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: I don't want the Jets to draft him because that would be a waste. He needs to go to a good situation. If the Jets didn't waste a 2nd last year, sure but there won't be enough reps for everyone. He's a much better prospect than Hack, but the Jets staff would waste him. What makes him any better prospect than Hack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 8 minutes ago, NoBowles said: What makes him any better prospect than Hack? Raw talent, isn't afraid of a pass rush, lot less to fix mechanically, isn't a complete mess. Ceiling is way higher for Kizer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 19 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Raw talent, isn't afraid of a pass rush, lot less to fix mechanically, isn't a complete mess. Ceiling is way higher for Kizer. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 NO. Too immature to step into a situation like the NY Jets. He should go to a team that will let him sit and learn for a couple of seasons. Arizona comes to mind. Ariens would be the best thing to happen to this kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 57 minutes ago, NoBowles said: Lol That all you got? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Life Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 No way, he's horrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 4 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: That all you got? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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