Jetsbb Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/draft/draft-trade-chart/ Okay Mac advertised to the world he wanted to trade down practically begged other teams publicly showing his hand thereby allowing other teams to fleece this idiot on his trades. First trade 70- 79 = pick 127 they got pick 160 to make it fair the Vikings would have had to add another 6th round pick to the deal second trade 107-125 = pick 146 they got pick 204. It should have been their 5th rounder not their 6th round pick We have an easy push over GM who showed his hand and got played by the rest of the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljr Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 I've tried to give him the benefit of the doubt ... Tonight was not one of his better nights though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 1 minute ago, ljr said: I've tried to give him the benefit of the doubt ... Tonight was not one of his better nights though I've actually defended Mac over the past couple years. I defended the Darron Lee pick even tho he sucks, but this guy has got to go he is way over his head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
win4ever Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 He's a scout, not a negotiator. He got his ass handed to him on every single negotiation so far. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 Have you guys even seen that movie, "Now you see me"? This is all an illusion to gain trust with the Vikings and Buccaneers before we trick them into trading us legit picks for Sheldon Richardson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 p.s. the trick is on them. We goin' keep Sheldon Richardson. #magic'dtheirass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman10023 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 The second one was worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 He could have at least acquired the rights to Doug Jolley. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pointdexter Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 I just can't imagine what will be there in rd 6 that will justify letting 18 players at the top of rd 4 go off the board. This just seems moronic. It's almost as if the criticism of not being able to make a deal got to him, so he was determined to show everyone he could, even if that meant making a bad deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 Some people just want to watch the world burn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 I went to bed and missed the comp pick in the third. I've woke up to WTF! - He traded a 3rd round comp pick for a mid 4th and a 6th round. I started the day to with an air of optimism, I've ended day two with WTF's and can it get worse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 Mike T. and John Idzik must be laughing their balls off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 Maybe this'll help people be glad we didn't trade down in round 1. I was seeing posts yesterday about trading down whatever the cost ... Sent from my XT1068 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 He wanted to trade out of the heart (best value) of this draft or has lined up a job with the Vikings who improved their offense thanks to the Jets On the positive side some of Mac's best picks are in the later rounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 The Jets Wanted more picks, and they got more picks, so what exactly is the problem ? We started this draft with 7 picks . we made 3 picks thus far and to my knowledge, we have 6 picks left . Thus far, the Jets have acquired 3 day 1 starters, 2 for the defense and 1 for special teams . The Jets are drafting solid people who happen to be good football players . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaver Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 But everyone said the jets need a talent evaluator as GM and not a bean counter when Tanny was here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 lol what a bunch of whiners, Bigg Macc is doing it his way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen X Jet Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 Gross negligence or mass incompetence. Which is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 15 minutes ago, Tinstar said: The Jets Wanted more picks, and they got more picks, so what exactly is the problem ? We started this draft with 7 picks . we made 3 picks thus far and to my knowledge, we have 6 picks left . Thus far, the Jets have acquired 3 day 1 starters, 2 for the defense and 1 for special teams . The Jets are drafting solid people who happen to be good football players . I did the math using the value chart and in both trades combined we surrendered a total of 35 Value Points.That is essentially the equivalent of another 5th RD Pick that we left on the table in these two deals combined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 6 hours ago, win4ever said: He's a scout, not a negotiator. He got his ass handed to him on every single negotiation so far. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Is he even skilled as a scout? Look at his 2nd round picks they are asinine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, Gen X Jet said: Gross negligence or mass incompetence. Which is it? Woody is negligent because he could care less about the one good investment he ever made after winning the lucky sperm lottery as a kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 8 minutes ago, dbatesman said: lol what a bunch of whiners, Bigg Macc is doing it his way And his way is getting him fired next January Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 7 hours ago, Jetsbb said: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/draft/draft-trade-chart/ Okay Mac advertised to the world he wanted to trade down practically begged other teams publicly showing his hand thereby allowing other teams to fleece this idiot on his trades. First trade 70- 79 = pick 127 they got pick 160 to make it fair the Vikings would have had to add another 6th round pick to the deal second trade 107-125 = pick 146 they got pick 204. It should have been their 5th rounder not their 6th round pick We have an easy push over GM who showed his hand and got played by the rest of the league. I think it's fair to say that Macc has done poorly with his position draftday trades, and the opportunity for trades he missed (i.e. at #6). With that said, we have 6 picks today, lets hope he makes something of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 15 minutes ago, Tinstar said: The Jets Wanted more picks, and they got more picks, so what exactly is the problem ? We started this draft with 7 picks . we made 3 picks thus far and to my knowledge, we have 6 picks left . Thus far, the Jets have acquired 3 day 1 starters, 2 for the defense and 1 for special teams . The Jets are drafting solid people who happen to be good football players . The problem is mac froze again, took a player in 2nd round that probably wasn't getting picked until the 3rd. Same exact scenario as last yr. Nobody else was picking hackenberg in the 2nd. I don't think teams were lining up for Darren lee either. I just want to hold this guy accountable. Just because they love a guy doesn't mean they shouldn't evaluate wether other teams like the guy as much. If mac was smart about that he could have traded down and still very acquired maye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 Considering that the only TE on the team has a severe drinking problem Im hoping they address the position in round 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 4 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said: The problem is mac froze again, took a player in 2nd round that probably wasn't getting picked until the 3rd. Same exact scenario as last yr. Nobody else was picking hackenberg in the 2nd. I don't think teams were lining up for Darren lee either. I just want to hold this guy accountable. Just because they love a guy doesn't mean they shouldn't evaluate wether other teams like the guy as much. If mac was smart about that he could have traded down and still very acquired maye. There's no way to know this. Look at Mahomes. KC traded up to #10 to draft him. If a team likes a player they'll draft him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 14 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said: I did the math using the value chart and in both trades combined we surrendered a total of 35 Value Points.That is essentially the equivalent of another 5th RD Pick that we left on the table in these two deals combined. Who cares . We needed to add picks in a deep draft and we did . If the Jets lost out on additional picks because of value , you folks would complain about that . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 1 minute ago, RSJ said: Considering our only TE has a severe drinking problem Im hoping they address the position in round 4. Fits right in with the majority of the fan base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 I have my issues with the front office and coaches, but "robbed" is too strong a word. That value chart is a subjective guide. It is not written in stone, nor the only factor that matters. The value of specific picks, IMO, is more about how the tiers of players with similar rankings sets up in each round of each individual draft. If there isn't much separation between the tiers according to their war room board, then screw the chart. Accumulating more picks is a sound strategy. Wow. It's weird defending the Jets organization. Usually I am blasting them. Seems Pryor is finally gone too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawyers guns and money Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 The draft value board is not static. It's not as easy as looking at the board and saying "8pick = 17 and 23 pick." you have to compare it to the depth of the draft. If there are only 5 tier one players, pick 6 is worth a lot less than if there are 7. i think it's not as easy as looking at a value chart from years ago and using it as gospel That said, I have no idea if we got value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawyers guns and money Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 5 minutes ago, RoadFan said: I have my issues with the front office and coaches, but "robbed" is too strong a word. That value chart is a subjective guide. It is not written in stone, nor the only factor that matters. The value of specific picks, IMO, is more about how the tiers of players with similar rankings sets up in each round of each individual draft. If there isn't much separation between the tiers according to their war room board, then screw the chart. Accumulating more picks is a sound strategy. Just tried to express the same idea, but you were more eloquent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 7 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: There's no way to know this. Look at Mahomes. KC traded up to #10 to draft him. If a team likes a player they'll draft him. You are right. You can go with the probability but still. These are not two guys that you really are going to say " ohh no " if they were picked. We the huge holes we have, there was no one position /player that we absolutely had to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 It's disappointing seeing two teams after the Jets trading down in the first and acquiring a first in next year's draft as a result. That's exactly what I wanted them to do. Also wish we were talking about how Mac robbed other GMs, but I don't think he exactly got fleeced in these two deals, either. I like the extra picks, no matter what the math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetscode1 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 28 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said: The problem is mac froze again, took a player in 2nd round that probably wasn't getting picked until the 3rd. Same exact scenario as last yr. Nobody else was picking hackenberg in the 2nd. I don't think teams were lining up for Darren lee either. I just want to hold this guy accountable. Just because they love a guy doesn't mean they shouldn't evaluate wether other teams like the guy as much. If mac was smart about that he could have traded down and still very acquired maye. Mayock had Lee going 17th to the Falcons last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 Before I kill him for the trades, which seemed odd in terms of value, what did the other trades in the mid rounds look like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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