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10 hours ago, jets rooter said:

We forget that it takes three years for a young draftee. To learn the ropes. That is the case for young quarterbacks. Lets not pass judgement until we see him in training camp

I love how this little sliver of sane objectivity goes completely unnoticed.

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He needs his reps, in practice with the ones, consistently. He needs real game experiece. He needed to sit last year which I agreed with.

But they better not like McCown start for half the season and take up all the practice reps, because then how do you expect him to get better? 

QB is very much like playing golf, theres a certain day to day rhythm you have to get in or the whole mental aspect and body mechanics are off. 

I don't know how you get better at anything without continuously doing it. Sink or swim with Hackenberg this year. 

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2 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

He needs his reps, in practice with the ones, consistently. He needs real game experiece. He needed to sit last year which I agreed with.

But they better not like McCown start for half the season and take up all the practice reps, because then how do you expect him to get better? 

QB is very much like playing golf, theres a certain day to day rhythm you have to get in or the whole mental aspect and body mechanics are off. 

I don't know how you get better at anything without continuously doing it. Sink or swim with Hackenberg this year. 

In other words, don't do exactly what they just did last year. 

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1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said:

In other words, don't do exactly what they just did last year. 

Exactly. Last year I get it, they thought their veterans would show up and build on 2015 with Fitz. They gave it a shot. But Fitz should have been shut down after KC. 

I digress...give the reps to the Hack.

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I hope jumps out at mini-camp, becomes the unquestioned starter in pre-season, gets most reps, comes out plays well and we have derek carr 2.0

 

if not, tank hard and reset in the top 5 next year, 

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I don't think a quarterback carousel has been beneficial to any team. I agree 100% you need to name a starter and stick with him. Support him wether he struggles or not especially the young ones like Hackenberg. Good QB's should be able to find a way to work through ups and downs and it does nothing for them to jump from one qb to another. That also takes shots to their mindset, being pulled every other game. Sets back development in my opinion. As others have said...sink or swim.

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No one should expect Hackenberg to become a rhythm passer who consistently completes 62-65% of his passes, certainly not in 2017 or 2018.

Hackenberg's strengths are his ability to make full field reads, and his arm strength - similarly to Eli Manning (who is below 60% as a passer for his career).  Eli has managed to be successful because he can hit chunk plays down the field and because his interceptions tend to be down the field as well, which dont hurt the team nearly as much as the Sanchez-type Ints which were often pick 6s or in the red zone.

Unless Hack is a complete abomination in the OTAs and TC, he should be given 8-10 starts thsi year no matter what.  We have to find out what we have in order to make the best decisions on a QB in 2018

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55 minutes ago, BCJet said:

No one should expect Hackenberg to become a rhythm passer who consistently completes 62-65% of his passes, certainly not in 2017 or 2018.

Hackenberg's strengths are his ability to make full field reads, and his arm strength - similarly to Eli Manning (who is below 60% as a passer for his career).  Eli has managed to be successful because he can hit chunk plays down the field and because his interceptions tend to be down the field as well, which dont hurt the team nearly as much as the Sanchez-type Ints which were often pick 6s or in the red zone.

Unless Hack is a complete abomination in the OTAs and TC, he should be given 8-10 starts thsi year no matter what.  We have to find out what we have in order to make the best decisions on a QB in 2018

Agree with this. What worries me is how he'll fair in a west coast offense, which is based on rhythm/timing/accuracy.

You nailed it on the head, I don't expect Hack to be an above 60% completion guy. Like Eli, I expected to make up for that bu connecting on big time throws down field. 

This switch to a west coast offense gives me a little less hope for Hackenberg, but not lost hope yet. 

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On 4/30/2017 at 2:34 PM, Jimmy 2 Times said:

-Watching him play as a freshman I thought he'd be a GREAT pro.

-I followed him kind of closely through school and was shocked by his failures.

-I STILL wanted them to draft him.

I believe that he will be our franchise quarterback because I have no other choice.  If he sucks then I'll believe the next guy will be our franchise quarterback.  

 

 

If you watched him closely after O'Brien left then you would know that his "failures" were not his alone. There were plenty of reasons and most of which were out of his control.

The guy got the crap knocked out of him behind a poor line and even worse coaching. They changed every thing about him, including how he had his feet set. That's like taking

an established golf pro and completely changing their natural swing. It doesnt work.

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48 minutes ago, NYJ37/12 said:

If you watched him closely after O'Brien left then you would know that his "failures" were not his alone. There were plenty of reasons and most of which were out of his control.

The guy got the crap knocked out of him behind a poor line and even worse coaching. They changed every thing about him, including how he had his feet set. That's like taking

an established golf pro and completely changing their natural swing. It doesnt work.

Why he sucks and is perhaps shot is to that important in the grand scheme of things.  Whether the can play the game at a high level is.

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Supporting him and thinking he;s the answer are two very different things. 

Do I support him? Yes! Of Course. He's a young kid with a ton of talent and good head on his shoulders, and he has yet to be given a chance to prove himself. Why would anyone not support him? 

Do I believe he is the answer? Not really. Not yet at least. I definitely have doubts.  

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1 hour ago, Beerfish said:

Why he sucks and is perhaps shot is to that important in the grand scheme of things.  Whether the can play the game at a high level is.

He'll be fine

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Hack won't be in the NFL in 2018

How can anyone really make a judgement call on what Hackenberg will accomplish this year....I assume an educated guess?
He has alot going for him he never had before going on the field in preseason last year.
1. Full offseason working on mechanics.
2. Full offseason working with #1 offence
3. Working with an OC that does not have a mancrush for Fitzpatrick.
4. Only pressure is to gain chemistry with offense and show progress...wins are a bonus.

Once he wins the #1 which he will everything is different from last year.

I think he has a chance of failure but jets fans should try and be in this guys corner and not throw him in the garbage before he fails.

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13 minutes ago, nicg4360 said:


How can anyone really make a judgement call on what Hackenberg will accomplish this year....I assume an educated guess?
He has alot going for him he never had before going on the field in preseason last year.
1. Full offseason working on mechanics.
2. Full offseason working with #1 offence
3. Working with an OC that does not have a mancrush for Fitzpatrick.
4. Only pressure is to gain chemistry with offense and show progress...wins are a bonus.

Once he wins the #1 which he will everything is different from last year.

I think he has a chance of failure but jets fans should try and be in this guys corner and not throw him in the garbage before he fails.

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Hack f-cking sucks d-ck

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Just now, thadude said:

Hack f-cking sucks d-ck

You're just an angry and bitter jets fan. That's fine, but you don't have any idea if Hack will be good or not. You're a pessimist. I'm a realist. I wouldn't bet on Hack emerging, but this is the year to give him a chance. 

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It really depends on his mechanics.  

If he fixes his mechanics, then yes, he has a legitimate shot at being a franchise QB.   I like his arm, and I like his ability to scan the field, and he does well under center and in the pocket.   However, the task is easier said than done because he's had bad mechanics for awhile now.   

Right now Jets fans are down on the season, which is understandable going into a rebuilding year.  However, I love watching young players develop because there is just so much potential.  Yeah, we can win a couple of games with McCown or Cutler, but we already know what we get from them.  

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The best thing that could happen to this team is Hackenberg being the quarterback we need. Getting a high pick in the draft in '18 and trading it for a kings ransom with the quality quarterbacks next year. Hoping for hack to kill it,. May be doubtful but being optimistic.

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15 minutes ago, nicg4360 said:


Smartest comment I ever heard on these forums. Thanks for the insight.

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Definitely smarter than your homer bs

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Definitely smarter than your homer bs

Yes....I am full of said "bullsh*t. If that's homer bs....it's not even worth going on about...your awesome end of story.

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19 minutes ago, thadude said:

Definitely smarter than your homer bs

Giving a young QB a chance is not being a homer. Saying that he is a lock to be great, would make someone a homer. Conversely, giving Hack ZERO chance and saying  he "f-cking sucks d-ck" before he starts one NFL game makes you a whiny and bitter SOJF. I'd rather be a homer than whatever type of Jets fan you turned out to be. 

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After passing on QBs, Jets' focus shifts to Christian Hackenberg

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=19276941

 

The third draft of the Todd Bowles-Mike Maccagnan regime is in the books, and the New York Jets still have a question mark at the most important position -- quarterback.

Two questions, actually.

Short term: Who will be the opening-day starter?

Long term: Is the quarterback of the future on the roster?

The Jets could've tackled the second question by drafting Deshaun Watson or Patrick Mahomes in the first round, but they wisely passed. This wasn't the right time -- or the right quarterback class -- to make such an important investment. The plan is to play out the 2017 season, determining if Christian Hackenberg is the right guy.

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Jets QB Christian Hackenberg didn't see the field as a rookie, but that could change this fall. Brad Penner/USA TODAY Sports

 

It's an open competition, according to Bowles -- and it starts immediately.

Hackenberg versus Josh McCown versus Bryce Petty.

Their combined record as starters over the past two seasons: 2-13.

Bowles said all three will have the opportunity to work with the starting offense during off-season practices, which start May 23. By the start of training camp in late July, he'll have a pecking order.

"That will determine itself in OTAs and the spring, going forward, how we line up in the summer," Bowles said at the conclusion of he draft.

The well-traveled McCown, 37, is the favorite based on his experience. People around the organization say he already has made a positive impact in the building, impressing with his smarts and upbeat attitude. They believe he will be an asset in the quarterback room under new position coach Jeremy Bates.

Petty's status is up in the air because of surgery on his left (non-throwing) shoulder at the end of last season. Bowles said he's hopeful that Petty will be ready for OTAs, but he's not sure.

The big story, though, is Hackenberg -- the mystery man. He didn't take a single snap in 2016, becoming the first quarterback since Brian Brohm (Green Bay Packers, 2008) to be drafted in the first or second round and not play as a rookie.

It would be a stretch to say the Jets gave Hackenberg a vote of confidence by not drafting a quarterback, but it also shows they haven't abandoned hope that he can develop. If he doesn't ... well, they'll be in the quarterback market in the 2018 draft.

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5 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said:

Which previously banned poster or troll are you. Because not even the most SOJF is this negative. 

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