HessStation Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 6 hours ago, Villain The Foe said: The weirdest thing about all of this is, based on what all of these reports are now saying regarding this police officer's history, how is it that a police officer can even get the opportunity to establish a "long resumé of ethically dubious actions, excessive-force complaints" to begin with? Like how does that even happen? ... Union ....just answering the question, not giving my opinion one way the other... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 23 minutes ago, HessStation said: Union ....just answering the question, not giving my opinion one way the other... Take it it easy on the politics or will drop you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Just now, The Crusher said: Take it it easy on the politics or will drop you! wha? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Wait what do police officers being in a union have to do with politics? And how would that be a derogitory or politiced statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARodJetsFan Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 10 hours ago, Villain The Foe said: The weirdest thing about all of this is, based on what all of these reports are now saying regarding this police officer's history, how is it that a police officer can even get the opportunity to establish a "long resumé of ethically dubious actions, excessive-force complaints" to begin with? Like how does that even happen? lmao. Seriously, if you think about that, how ridiculously funny is that situation to begin with? This is an individual that is supposed to uphold the law, which comes with a great deal of responsibility, atleast we are told. How does someone with that level of responsibility get the opportunity to have such a crummy work history and still be on the job? Probably because he hasnt gotten a fraction of the outrage that Robby Anderson received just for being accused of something while being a NY Jet at the same time. lol. Gotta love society and it's priority management lol. Miami-Dade County and the city of Miami are probably the most corrupt county and city in all of Florida. This doesn't surprise me at all. In a legitimate, respectable Police Department, this "Lt. Javier Ortiz" would have been fired a long time ago and wouldn't have worked in law enforcement long enough to ever make Lt. Only in Miami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfield Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 5 hours ago, ARodJetsFan said: Miami-Dade County and the city of Miami are probably the most corrupt county and city in all of Florida. This doesn't surprise me at all. In a legitimate, respectable Police Department, this "Lt. Javier Ortiz" would have been fired a long time ago and wouldn't have worked in law enforcement long enough to ever make Lt. Only in Miami. You are giving the rest of the world too much credit. Crappy cops like this exist everywhere, from small towns to big cities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 5 hours ago, ARodJetsFan said: Miami-Dade County and the city of Miami are probably the most corrupt county and city in all of Florida. This doesn't surprise me at all. In a legitimate, respectable Police Department, this "Lt. Javier Ortiz" would have been fired a long time ago and wouldn't have worked in law enforcement long enough to ever make Lt. Only in Miami. You see the documentary Cocaine Cowboys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 This may shed some light on the arrest. Quote Sportswriters are wringing their hands and moralizing over Robby Anderson, a New York Jets wide receiver who was arrested Sunday night at the Rolling Loud hip-hop festival. Anderson, 23, was booked on charges of resisting an officer with violence and obstruction; an arrest report New Times obtained claims Anderson had been arguing with security guards before getting into a physical altercation with a cop. "Robby Anderson's arrest is the latest problem for Jets' receivers," an SB Nation headline read. But the national press is missing which cop Anderson allegedly had a scuffle with: none other than Miami Lt. Javier Ortiz, the city's police union president, who has a long resumé of ethically dubious actions, excessive-force complaints, and even one tasing incident at another Bayfront Park music festival. That particular fiasco ended in Ultra Music Festival paying out a $400,000 legal settlement and Ortiz getting banned from the premises until he appealed. This is also the second time Ortiz has arrested an NFL player. University of Miami legend Jonathan Vilma filed a complaint against Ortiz six years ago, claiming that in 2009, Ortiz went nuts on Vilma during a traffic stop, waved a gun in his face, screamed at him, and arrested him on false charges that were later dropped. (Vilma agreed to pay $1,000 to a hospital's trauma center.) Ortiz did not respond to a message from New Times about his latest high-profile case. Anderson has not yet spoken out about the incident and what happened Sunday night. But the cops allege Anderson was "fighting with security after being told to leave," and, after Ortiz told Anderson to sit down on the ground, the NFL star allegedly "tensed his body and pushed Lt. Ortiz." Ortiz's report says Anderson, a 6'3", 180-pound NFL player, was "redirected to the ground and continued to fight with police and security." ("Redirected to the ground," in this instance, is likely code for "tackled" or "shoved.") He was eventually handcuffed and arrested. Remarkably, the arrest comes barely a month after Ortiz regained his gun and the right to patrol the streets. In March, the union chief was removed from active duty and stripped of his gun after a woman whom he'd doxxed — and encouraged his Facebook followers to harass — was granted a temporary restraining order against him. Per departmental policy, cops with active restraining orders against them are placed on desk duty until the order runs out. A county judge later declined to make Ortiz's stay-away ruling permanent. The circumstances of Ortiz's latest headline-making case sound eerily similar to two past incidents in which Ortiz was accused of wrongdoing. In the Vilma case, the football star was charged with both resisting an officer with violence and obstruction of justice — the same infractions as Anderson. Anderson's arrest also echoes Ortiz's infamous case at Ultra Music Festival in 2011. In that case, Jesse Campodonico, a 27-year-old fitness trainer from New York, was thrown to the ground and tasered by several officers, including Ortiz. Campodonico later sued, claiming excessive force; Ultra eventually paid out a $400,000 settlement. The cops on the scene claimed Campodonico was "yelling profanities, and had a strong scent of an alcoholic beverage,” and then “took a fighting stance and stated, 'I ain’t afraid of you!'” Ortiz wrote the arrest report, as well as a follow-up document called a Response to Resistance Report. He also testified, backing up his claims — but his fellow cops later provided testimony that conflicted with his own. Then video emerged that someone had shot of the arrest, and the footage proved the events Ortiz depicted in his report could not have happened. A local lawyer later filed a complaint about the alleged act of perjury with the Miami-Dade County State Attorney's Office. The state attorney admitted in writing that Ortiz's documents were full of "inconsistencies," but never prosecuted the union president for wrongdoing. Ortiz was banned from Ultra but later mounted a legal fight for the right to work security at Ultra again. And for back pay for the festivals he'd missed. And now, it appears Ortiz — who could, as union president, choose to drive around in circles and take the easy way out all day — has found himself in the thick of things yet again. http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/miami-union-president-javier-ortiz-was-cop-who-fought-arrested-nfls-robby-anderson-9333914 BTW, can anyone tell me WTH "tensing your body" means? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sciond Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 7 hours ago, ARodJetsFan said: Miami-Dade County and the city of Miami are probably the most corrupt county and city in all of Florida. This doesn't surprise me at all. In a legitimate, respectable Police Department, this "Lt. Javier Ortiz" would have been fired a long time ago and wouldn't have worked in law enforcement long enough to ever make Lt. Only in Miami. yep 1 hour ago, Butterfield said: You are giving the rest of the world too much credit. Crappy cops like this exist everywhere, from small towns to big cities. Unless you have dealt with them you have no idea. I have seen PD's all over and the take the cake at Miami-Dade. You should see what goes down at TGK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted May 10, 2017 Author Share Posted May 10, 2017 23 hours ago, thadude said: He played for temple that's why he went undrafted. I know Reddick got drafted in the first round but Anderson playing well as a rookie probably had something to do with that He had to sit out a year at Temple, that is why he was undrafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted May 10, 2017 Author Share Posted May 10, 2017 20 hours ago, Villain The Foe said: The weirdest thing about all of this is, based on what all of these reports are now saying regarding this police officer's history, how is it that a police officer can even get the opportunity to establish a "long resumé of ethically dubious actions, excessive-force complaints" to begin with? Like how does that even happen? lmao. Seriously, if you think about that, how ridiculously funny is that situation to begin with? This is an individual that is supposed to uphold the law, which comes with a great deal of responsibility, atleast we are told. How does someone with that level of responsibility get the opportunity to have such a crummy work history and still be on the job? Probably because he hasnt gotten a fraction of the outrage that Robby Anderson received just for being accused of something while being a NY Jet at the same time. lol. Gotta love society and it's priority management lol. That is a great point and hopefully people can enjoy that exact conversation somewhere else. For this thread, this is great news for Robby and the Jets. Let's drop these charges and watch this kid grow. He has 1,000 yard potential. Really happy for him and hopefully this all gets thrown out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 5 hours ago, Doggin94it said: This may shed some light on the arrest. http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/miami-union-president-javier-ortiz-was-cop-who-fought-arrested-nfls-robby-anderson-9333914 BTW, can anyone tell me WTH "tensing your body" means? It's code. You can probably figure it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Free Robbie Anderson!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 2 hours ago, Maxman said: That is a great point and hopefully people can enjoy that exact conversation somewhere else. For this thread, this is great news for Robby and the Jets. Let's drop these charges and watch this kid grow. He has 1,000 yard potential. Really happy for him and hopefully this all gets thrown out. Gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 This cop sounds like a power-tripping douchebag that has had, or deserved, multiple suspensions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS17 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Wow, an American police officer on a bully power trip and abusing power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 49 minutes ago, PS17 said: Wow, an American police officer on a bully power trip and abusing power. and you know this how? the investigation is complete? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS17 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 1 hour ago, nyjunc said: and you know this how? the investigation is complete? Because I'm highly intelligent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 3 hours ago, nyjunc said: and you know this how? the investigation is complete? Where there's smoke there's fire. The cop had a past. This country would be way better off if the a hole 10 percent of cops were removed. Better for society, better for 90% of cops as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 19 hours ago, HighPitch said: Where there's smoke there's fire. The cop had a past. This country would be way better off if the a hole 10 percent of cops were removed. Better for society, better for 90% of cops as well of course we want all bad officers removed from the force but what we do as a society is rush to judge in all situations. it's not right or fair and far too often when facts come out the people that rush to judge tend to have been wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 17 minutes ago, nyjunc said: of course we want all bad officers removed from the force but what we do as a society is rush to judge in all situations. it's not right or fair and far too often when facts come out the people that rush to judge tend to have been wrong. Let's be real here, Anderson was likely a dope for putting himself into that situation but that cop's history should tell you that Anderson wasn't completely to blame. The odds of this cop randomly being involved is slim to none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 16 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: Let's be real here, Anderson was likely a dope for putting himself into that situation but that cop's history should tell you that Anderson wasn't completely to blame. The odds of this cop randomly being involved is slim to none. I don't disagree, I just hate seeing people jump to conclusions one way or the other. w/ social media this is how things work now unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 Yes we do rush to judgment. Cops should always get the bebfit of the doubt due to the ateeasful nature of the job and the risk they take but when there is mounting evidence and repeated incidents they should be let go. Too many youngsters on the waiting list we dont need to tolerate it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 21 minutes ago, HighPitch said: Cops should always get the bebfit of the doubt 1 LOL. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 This cop is a POS no doubt. The facts support this. That being said Anderson should not get a pass either. According to reports he was acting the fool and fighting with security BEFORE this incident happened. His behavior was the start of this hole scenario. If the A-hole LT wasn't involved would opinions be different? Yes they would. Anderson is not innocent in this situation and neither is the cop but don't forget Andersons behavior started this incident. He should know better. He should be held accountable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman10023 Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 On 5/10/2017 at 3:42 PM, RoadFan said: This cop sounds like a power-tripping douchebag that has had, or deserved, multiple suspensions. while i generally side with cops - i don't understand how he was still allowed to be a cop after it appears very strongly that he was lying under oath. (with video to prove it) Ortiz wrote the arrest report, as well as a follow-up document called a Response to Resistance Report. He also testified, backing up his claims — but his fellow cops later provided testimony that conflicted with his own. Then video emerged that someone had shot of the arrest, and the footage proved the events Ortiz depicted in his report could not have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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