jbt Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 I know this has probably been talked about before but just seeing those numbers makes its hard to believe. CSN New England's Tom Curran gets the sense the Patriots may have to eventually force Tom Brady's hand and make him retire or trade him. Brady's deal runs through 2019 at cheap salaries of $1 million in 2017 and $14 million in 2018-19. While Brady continues to be the best player in the sport, the Patriots continue to sit on Jimmy Garoppolo, refusing to trade him as it seems they're preparing for him to eventually replace Brady. But as Curran puts it, "the quarterback position in New England will have to be pried from [Brady's] cold, dead hand." Brady has said he has zero plans to retire anytime soon, while his father said a couple years back that Brady would play until he's 70. That would put the ball in the Patriots' court. If it happens, it will surely be messy. Coach Bill Belichick may be the only one with the stones to do it. Related: Jimmy Garoppolo Source: CSN New England Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Kraft wires money to a charity in Switzerland that coincidentally belongs to Brady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Yea because his buddy, the fitness guru of the team, is also his business partner. The Pats pay him an undisclosed amount. Probably a fortune. Brady gets a percentage of that. So he makes a mere 1m in 2017 as qb and who knows how many more millions as the gurus partner. We should pay adams league minimum, but allow his company to cater food. Pay the food catering 20m a year and let adams get his cut. A way to go around salary cap rules. Its probably the biggest sham the pats were ever involved in and nobody questions it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 They cheat on everything else why would anyone be surprised they would cheat in this way as well to free up more room to sign players. This organization continues to make a mockery of the NFL and the ass hat NFL lets them do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Paid under the table, for his sports business. Eddie DeBartolo Jr, got stripped of the 49ers for that. Although it's the Pats, so it's not a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Probably also paying Garapolo under the table to be patient and not leave. Out of all the cheating the Brady / pay scam is the worst and probably has had the most direct impact on winning SBs. Look at Manning / Colts as an example. Unlike New England Mannings salary sucked up the teams resources for years. 1 million in 2017 what a joke. A citrullo like Fitzpatrick will make more than that on interest from his Jets money while staying home with the wife and kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Everybody knows they're circumventing the salary cap by paying Brady's company for his nutrition programs or whatever. It's as public as day and nobody cares because the NFL is a ******* joke. The Cheatriots have ruined the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 19 minutes ago, Kleckineau said: Probably also paying Garapolo under the table to be patient and not leave. Out of all the cheating the Brady / pay scam is the worst and probably has had the most direct impact on winning SBs. Look at Manning / Colts as an example. Unlike New England Mannings salary sucked up the teams resources for years. 1 million in 2017 what a joke. A citrullo like Fitzpatrick will make more than that on interest from his Jets money while staying home with the wife and kids. 100%, no question about it. They're not playing on a level playing field as the rest of the league. And the NFL knows it and doesnt care. Tainted dynasty that nobody but Cheatriots fans will ever call legitimate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason423 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 The reason his salary is so low this year is because the Patriots paid him a $28 million bonus last season. They have done some funny things with his contract, but this current deal, considering his age, is pretty legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, jason423 said: The reason his salary is so low this year is because the Patriots paid him a $28 million bonus last season. They have done some funny things with his contract, but this current deal, considering his age, is pretty legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 7 minutes ago, jason423 said: The reason his salary is so low this year is because the Patriots paid him a $28 million bonus last season. They have done some funny things with his contract, but this current deal, considering his age, is pretty legit. How is paying the best QB in the league 14M legit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 1 hour ago, jbt said: I know this has probably been talked about before but just seeing those numbers makes its hard to believe. CSN New England's Tom Curran gets the sense the Patriots may have to eventually force Tom Brady's hand and make him retire or trade him. Brady's deal runs through 2019 at cheap salaries of $1 million in 2017 and $14 million in 2018-19. While Brady continues to be the best player in the sport, the Patriots continue to sit on Jimmy Garoppolo, refusing to trade him as it seems they're preparing for him to eventually replace Brady. But as Curran puts it, "the quarterback position in New England will have to be pried from [Brady's] cold, dead hand." Brady has said he has zero plans to retire anytime soon, while his father said a couple years back that Brady would play until he's 70. That would put the ball in the Patriots' court. If it happens, it will surely be messy. Coach Bill Belichick may be the only one with the stones to do it. Related: Jimmy Garoppolo Source: CSN New England He has $13,000,000 in signing bonus proration that hits the cap this year (so his total cap number is 14M), and 7M in each of 18 and 19 (taking his total cap number to 22M in each of those years). https://overthecap.com/player/tom-brady/1250 He definitely gave the Pats a hometown discount, but the reason his P5 salary is so low is that he got a way larger percentage of his money than usual up front in the form of a signing bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmajet Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 I think they did a lot of jiggering around with the contract to lower his salary so that his 4 game suspension didn't cost him that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freemanm Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Belidick's gonna go when Brady does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Kleckineau said: How is paying the best QB in the league 14M legit? In 2016, he signed a 2 year extension with 41M in new money over the 4 years of the deal - 11M more in 2016 and 17, and 30M in 2018 and 19. Brady had already been under contract for 16 & 17 at 19M total, so net-net, the Pats paid him 20.5M per year for his two new years, and allocated a chunk of that money to 16 & 17 to keep the cap hits relatively low over all 4 years (the two years left on his prior deal and the 2 new years). They also kept his P5 salary super low in 16 and 17 so that he would lose very little in per game salary if (when) he had to serve a suspension. 20.5M in new money per year for 2 new years is a real discount, but not a crazy one. So how did they have Brady at 19M in 16 & 17 in the first place? That's the real sweetheart deal that Brady gave the Pats, taking a major discount against market value to free up cash & cap for other players. But this latest deal? Not much of a discount at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 46 minutes ago, JiF said: Everybody knows they're circumventing the salary cap by paying Brady's company for his nutrition programs or whatever. It's as public as day and nobody cares because the NFL is a ******* joke. The Cheatriots have ruined the NFL. or..... The Pats work out a clandestine deal and Brady gets endorsement revenue from so called independent companies. Ever note that Eli is NEVER in a Giants uniform, just blue and white colors in uniform. Brady gets to wear the uniform, keep the endorsement dollars. Pats buy those products for the team.... balls, hats, razors, tampons etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetroitRed Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 The only thing I can't figure out is what is their plan for next year ? Will they tag Garrapolo and keep both? Is that possible ? Will they cut the player that built the franchise ? Strange stuffSent from my iPad using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodeawhodat Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, Doggin94it said: In 2016, he signed a 2 year extension with 41M in new money over the 4 years of the deal - 11M more in 2016 and 17, and 30M in 2018 and 19. Brady had already been under contract for 16 & 17 at 19M total, so net-net, the Pats paid him 20.5M per year for his two new years, and allocated a chunk of that money to 16 & 17 to keep the cap hits relatively low over all 4 years (the two years left on his prior deal and the 2 new years). They also kept his P5 salary super low in 16 and 17 so that he would lose very little in per game salary if (when) he had to serve a suspension. 20.5M in new money per year for 2 new years is a real discount, but not a crazy one. So how did they have Brady at 19M in 16 & 17 in the first place? That's the real sweetheart deal that Brady gave the Pats, taking a major discount against market value to free up cash & cap for other players. But this latest deal? Not much of a discount at all. He is getting lawd knows how much for his supplement company that he put his friends name on that is in or next to the building plus whatever stacks of cash Kraft gives him, tax free. Great story about Artie Lange doing a gig for Kraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Freemanm said: Belidick's gonna go when Brady does. Not a chance. Belichick is only still coaching because he wants to prove he can win without Brady and its not like the Patriots would ever fire him. So he will continue until he gets that chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 I know this has probably been talked about before but just seeing those numbers makes its hard to believe. CSN New England's Tom Curran gets the sense the Patriots may have to eventually force Tom Brady's hand and make him retire or trade him. Brady's deal runs through 2019 at cheap salaries of $1 million in 2017 and $14 million in 2018-19. While Brady continues to be the best player in the sport, the Patriots continue to sit on Jimmy Garoppolo, refusing to trade him as it seems they're preparing for him to eventually replace Brady. But as Curran puts it, "the quarterback position in New England will have to be pried from [brady's] cold, dead hand." Brady has said he has zero plans to retire anytime soon, while his father said a couple years back that Brady would play until he's 70. That would put the ball in the Patriots' court. If it happens, it will surely be messy. Coach Bill Belichick may be the only one with the stones to do it. Related: Jimmy Garoppolo Source: CSN New England They pay him through his vitamin company. It is a flagrant violation of the salary cap but nobody seems to care. I think the NFL got sick of fighting with one of its highest profile stars. I can't help wondering how the Saints -- who probably pay Drew Brees 25 mil a year on the salary cap -- feel about this. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetPotato Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, Bruce Harper said: They pay him through his vitamin company. It is a flagrant violation of the salary cap but nobody seems to care. I think the NFL got sick of fighting with one of its highest profile stars. I can't help wondering how the Saints -- who probably pay Drew Brees 25 mil a year on the salary cap -- feel about this. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app What do you think Deflategate was really about? The league had a chance to look like they were finally getting tough on those scumbags. They certainly had no plans to go after the salary cap stuff because of the huge implications on the competitve balance of the league. Deflated balls were a thing that they knew wouldnt seem like a big deal to anyone (except for these egomanics like Brady and Kraft who laid lie upon lie in an attempt to maintain their unrealistic view of their public perception amd blew it all out of proportion). Pure "look over here" distraction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afjetsfan Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 I've been frustrated by this fact. No way Brady isn't getting paid outside the salary cap. If someone was able to track the money Brady is getting it would lead to some seriously illegal violations to the NFL cap rules. By not officially paying Brady through the cap, they are illegally stacking their team with talent other teams that follow the rules can't. The commissioner must know this but either can't prove it or doesn't want the bad press. What amazes me is that other owners aren't in uproar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 google TB12 athletic trainers other teams hire Novocare or real companies to do their rehab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 1 minute ago, bitonti said: google TB12 athletic trainers other teams hire Novocare or real companies to do their rehab. I also bet the Pats do also, total front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Just now, BurnleyJet said: I also bet the Pats do also, total front. what don't you believe rubbing Acai berries together fixes torn ACL's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 1 minute ago, bitonti said: what don't you believe rubbing Acai berries together fixes torn ACL's? I actually heard it was goji berries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Quote By Bob Hohler G LOBE STAFF DECEMBER 20, 2015 The Patriots, in an unusual departure from National Football League practice, have created a revenue stream for a private business owned by their franchise quarterback, Tom Brady, and a partner who faced federal sanctions after falsely presenting himself as a medical doctor and deceptively promoting nutritional supplements. One notable product that Brady’s partner, Alejandro “Alex” Guerrero, promoted — and the quarterback enthusiastically endorsed — was marketed as helping to prevent and heal concussions, a grave health issue for NFL players and a challenge to the sport’s image. The Federal Trade Commission effectively shut down sales of Guerrero’s “neuroprotective’’ drink, Neurosafe, in 2014, repudiating his “extraordinary claims.’’ Nine years earlier, the FTC sanctioned Guerrero, who doubles as a fitness specialist, for marketing a beverage made largely of organic greens that he falsely claimed could help prevent or cure cancer, heart disease, arthritis, and diabetes. Guerrero’s past has not dissuaded the Patriots from forging a business relationship with the company he owns with Brady, the TB12 Sports Therapy Center, at the Patriots Place complex adjacent to Gillette Stadium. Since the center opened in 2013, the team has paid the company for Guerrero and his staff to provide treatment services and nutritional advice to multiple Patriots players. The Globe did not determine how many players Guerrero and his staff have treated or how much money the Patriots have paid Brady and Guerrero’s company. The team and the two principals all declined to comment. The NFL says it is aware of the arrangement and has taken no action, despite questions from some specialists in sports law and economics about whether teams should pay for services by forprofit companies owned by their active players and whether the relationship provides value to Brady that should be counted against the club’s salary cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 8 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said: Totally legitimate... ******* Cheatriots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew007b Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 it's about to catch up to the patriots and when it does it'll be salary cap hell for them when they try and keep a rising star player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Well, the league was running an investigation into it, but Kraft fired the guy running that investigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 7 hours ago, jason423 said: The reason his salary is so low this year is because the Patriots paid him a $28 million bonus last season. They have done some funny things with his contract, but this current deal, considering his age, is pretty legit. 6 hours ago, Doggin94it said: He has $13,000,000 in signing bonus proration that hits the cap this year (so his total cap number is 14M), and 7M in each of 18 and 19 (taking his total cap number to 22M in each of those years). https://overthecap.com/player/tom-brady/1250 He definitely gave the Pats a hometown discount, but the reason his P5 salary is so low is that he got a way larger percentage of his money than usual up front in the form of a signing bonus. Im sure the deal is legit but its still low for what Brady has accomplished so I'm sure in some way Kraft is getting money to Tom and Im sure Tom is quite happy with that arrangement since the team can use the money for more players when needed. How does a team thats in the SB every year keep salaries so low ? Smoke and Mirrors that how Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxgreen Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 It's not even worth talking about. The Pats will win in the court of public opinion as well as private NFL circles. I'm getting more turned off to the league every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljr Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 2 hours ago, pdxgreen said: It's not even worth talking about. The Pats will win in the court of public opinion as well as private NFL circles. I'm getting more turned off to the league every day. Public opinion outside of NE knows they are full of $h*t cheating c*cks*ckers ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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