Gas2No99 Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Prediction for Jets QB Christian Hackenberg: Plenty of growing pains A West Coast-style offense doesn't appear to be a great fit for the skills of Christian Hackenberg, who again has to learn a new offense. Rich Graessle/Icon Sportswire A look at what's happening around the New York Jets: 1. Are you ready for some football? Nearly five months after one of the worst seasons in team history, the Jets return to the field Tuesday for the start of OTAs. They have 10 noncontact practices during the next three weeks, followed by a mandatory minicamp. The big story is the quarterback competition -- specifically Christian Hackenberg, who has been removed from bubble wrap. This will be a slow process for Hackenberg, who, quite frankly, isn't a great fit in John Morton's offense -- a West Coast-style system, assuming he sticks to what he knows. The West Coast scheme is predicated on timing and accuracy, especially on short passes. Accuracy is an issue for Hackenberg, whose adjusted completion rate (counting drops, spikes, etc.) was 64 percent in his final year at Penn State, according to Pro Football Focus. That ranked 120th in the nation. The previous year, he was 104th. I talked to an opposing scout who studied him in pregame warmups for one game last season and was taken aback by how many off-target passes he threw. This is Hackenberg's fourth system in five years, dating to his freshman year, so it would be understandable if his head is spinning. He studied West Coast concepts in the offseason under his personal coach, the California-based Jordan Palmer, which should help. But now he has to perform in the crucible of competition. The Jets aren't expecting miracles; they just hope he shows improvement. Coach Todd Bowles would like to identify a presumptive starter before training camp, and the reason is because he believes in giving one quarterback the starter's share of the reps to prepare for the regular season. He's calling this an open competition, but it would be an upset if Josh McCown doesn't prevail over Hackenberg and Bryce Petty. It's hard to imagine one of the young quarterbacks overtaking the grizzled vet, especially with the limited amount of practice time. The more realistic question for Hackenberg: Can he beat out Petty for the No. 2 job? 2. Fitz gets (most of) his Bucs: Ryan Fitzpatrick bet on himself when he accepted a one-year, $12 million contract from the Jets last July, rejecting a three-year, $24 million deal on the table. Now that he has a new job, we can tally up the totals. Fitzpatrick's new contract with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers is for one year and $3 million, according to ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter. Assuming he collects the full $3 million, it would bring his 2016-17 earnings to $15 million. If he had taken the Jets' three-year offer, it would have been $18 million over the two years, assuming he remained on the team. If they cut him, he still would've had a $3 million guarantee in 2017. In the end, Fitzpatrick recouped the $3 million guarantee he left on the table. 3. Going-away present: Fitzpatrick's deal with the Bucs has no bearing on the Jets' salary cap. In fact, he will count more on the Jets' cap ($5 million) than the Bucs' cap ($3 million). File that under "Life in the Salary-Cap Era." In case you're wondering about that $5 million ... it's the pro-rated portion of the $10 million signing bonus he received last July. To reduce the cap numbers, the Jets wanted to spread it out over two years with a two-year contract, which voided after the season. 4. In search of sacks: Jordan Jenkins has made a concerted effort to improve his pass-rushing skills. The second-year outside linebacker spent 2 1/2 months in Atlanta working with former NFL player Chuck Smith, who has been described as the sack whisperer. Smith, who recorded 58.5 sacks from 1992 to 2000, runs a pass-rushing camp that attracts many current players. "I was never really taught pass-rushing at any level, high school on up," Jenkins said last week. "I didn't realize how much I was missing until I started working with Chuck." The Jets are counting on Jenkins to make big strides in his second season. Known more as a run defender than a pass-rusher, he managed only 2.5 sacks as a rookie, but they came in the final four games. He hopes to build on that momentum. He's also excited to be working under new outside linebackers coach Kevin Greene, a Hall of Fame player. "He's done it; he's got the jacket," said Jenkins, alluding to the Pro Football Hall of Fame blazer. "When you think of pass-rushing and you think of an outside linebacker, you think of K.G., Kevin Greene. Watching some of his old clips, he's a guy that did it. He wasn't a finesse guy; he was a power guy. That's something I get excited about. He physically dominated cats back in his time. You just want to soak up as much info as you can." Because Calvin Pryor has a relatively low cap charge, it makes sense that he'll return for a fourth season. Jeff Haynes/AP 5. Slamming the Louisville slugger: NFL Films analyst Greg Cosell, one of the smartest Xs-and-Os guys in the business, shared his thoughts on the Jets' decision to draft safeties Jamal Adams and Marcus Maye and how it might have an impact on incumbent Calvin Pryor, a holdover from the previous regime. "I didn't love Pryor coming out of Louisville, and obviously they don't, either," Cosell told "The Midday 180" on 104.5 The Zone in Nashville, co-hosted by ESPN's Tennessee Titans reporter Paul Kuharsky. "Todd Bowles is a defensive guy where safeties are important in his defense. In his mind, Pryor clearly was not up to the task. When you draft safeties, one and two, and you have a lot of needs on the team, you're basically telling your present safeties they're not good enough." Marcus Gilchrist already has been released. In my opinion, it makes sense to keep Pryor as insurance, especially because he has a relatively low cap charge ($2.7 million). Adams and Maye might have high ceilings, but it's a big ask to expect two rookies to click from Day 1 at such a cerebral position. 6. Tuna helpers: Bill Parcells' influence is spreading in the AFC East. Former Jets scout Brian Gaine, who got his start under Parcells, is the new vice president of player personnel for the Buffalo Bills. Gaine started with the Jets (2000), and followed Parcells to the Dallas Cowboys and Miami Dolphins. He worked most recently with the Houston Texans. Former Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum, another Parcells protege, is the Dolphins' VP of football operations. And, of course, there's New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick, whose ties to Parcells need no explanation. 7. Boss Jet in holding pattern: As of mid-week, President Donald Trump had formally nominated nine people for ambassadorships and not one of them was named Woody Johnson, according to USA Today. Trump announced in January he was planning to make the Jets' owner the ambassador to the United Kingdom, fueling speculation on the immediate future of the Jets. Four months later, nothing has changed. 8. The last word: Defensive leader David Harris on second-year linebacker Darron Lee: "I expect him to grow into the player everybody expected him to be coming out of Ohio State. ... He has turned the corner as far as seeing things. He's starting to get it and I think he's going to have a huge year this year." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTL Jet Fan Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Sounds promising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetspenguin Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 This is where he lost his credibility "studied him in pregame warmups for one game last season" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Quote He studied West Coast concepts in the offseason under his personal coach, the California-based Jordan Palmer, which should help. Ya think maybe "personal coach" Palmer is a total boob? What exactly does he teach? • Attempted 18 passes in 7-year NFL career: 0 starts, 66 yds, 2 INTs, 0 TDs. 28.7 Rtg • 2007 drafted by Redskins (6th Rnd) in April, was cut in Sept • 2008 signed by Bengals to back up brother Carson. Was cut in Aug 2011 • 2012 Jaguars. Signed in May, cut in Aug • 2013 Bears. Signed in Aug, cut two weeks later. Resigned in Oct to back up Josh McCown. Cut in Aug. • 2014 Bills. Signed in Aug, cut four days later • 2014 Titans. Signed in Dec, gone in one month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 21 minutes ago, jetspenguin said: This is where he lost his credibility "studied him in pregame warmups for one game last season" Exactly, who are they kidding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 22 minutes ago, jetspenguin said: This is where he lost his credibility "studied him in pregame warmups for one game last season" He should have looked at all the great college tape Hackenberg put together instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Im ready I dont know about the rest of you guys but I'm ready to root for Christian Hackenberg or Bryce Petty whoever the starter may be, my gut tells me its gonna Hackenberg. We have had so much bickering, arguing,debating the QB position here to last most of us a lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Man the media just loves pushing the "McCown will start" BS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Just now, johnnysd said: Man the media just loves pushing the "McCown will start" BS Media is against the NY Jets we are the door mat of the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 55 minutes ago, jetrider said: Ya think maybe "personal coach" Palmer is a total boob? What exactly does he teach? • Attempted 18 passes in 7-year NFL career: 0 starts, 66 yds, 2 INTs, 0 TDs. 28.7 Rtg more passes than hackenberg will throw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Doesn't matter what anyone thinks in May. When Denver signed Sanchez he thought he was the starter before he was cut in Sept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Seems the sports media money is on M Cown starting at least a goodly portion of the season. Least shocking news possible. As I've said many will be very disappointed how 2017 is going to play out, in AB starting and in Jets draft position come 2018. Prepare yourself for the worst possible combo-outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 The NY Jets QB saga is a media whore's dream. When will it finally end and we get a franchise QB. Hard as hell to swallow the Jets signing the bottom feeder QB's in the NFL year after year, GM after GM,head coach after head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 it's all what's between hack's ears. he comes in and can get the team moving without making stupid mistake and turning the ball over he'll probably do well. imo the players have no allegiance to any of the current qb's so it's up to him to win them over and i don't think it's necessarily going to be because he shows better accuracy or long ball than mccown. those are nice attributes but the first order is to execute the plays. he does that and gets the players on his side and it could be an really interesting season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Woody Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 1 hour ago, jetrider said: Ya think maybe "personal coach" Palmer is a total boob? What exactly does he teach? • Attempted 18 passes in 7-year NFL career: 0 starts, 66 yds, 2 INTs, 0 TDs. 28.7 Rtg • 2007 drafted by Redskins (6th Rnd) in April, was cut in Sept • 2008 signed by Bengals to back up brother Carson. Was cut in Aug 2011 • 2012 Jaguars. Signed in May, cut in Aug • 2013 Bears. Signed in Aug, cut two weeks later. Resigned in Oct to back up Josh McCown. Cut in Aug. • 2014 Bills. Signed in Aug, cut four days later • 2014 Titans. Signed in Dec, gone in one month Is this meant to be sarcasm? Jordan Palmer is a pretty well respected QB coach. You don't have to be a good player to be a good coach. Guys like Palmer who (I'm assuming) had to work tirelessly just to refine every aspect of his game just to be able to overcome a lack of physical talent/natural ability often make for the best coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, rangerous said: it's all what's between hack's ears. he comes in and can get the team moving without making stupid mistake and turning the ball over he'll probably do well. imo the players have no allegiance to any of the current qb's so it's up to him to win them over and i don't think it's necessarily going to be because he shows better accuracy or long ball than mccown. those are nice attributes but the first order is to execute the plays. he does that and gets the players on his side and it could be an really interesting season. Exactly Hack and Petty are Jets guys......McCown is an outsider newcomer without a lucky season behind him like Fitzpatrick the allegiance here amongst players we will be with one of the 2 Hack or Petty the way it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Lil Woody said: Is this meant to be sarcasm? Jordan Palmer is a pretty well respected QB coach. You don't have to be a good player to be a good coach. Guys like Palmer who (I'm assuming) had to work tirelessly just to refine every aspect of his game just to be able to overcome a lack of physical talent/natural ability often make for the best coaches. Please give more specifics and less hypotheticals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Hackenberg wasn't ready last year, anyone who watched him in camp saw that. Out of every 4 throws he made: - One sailed over receivers heads - One "dirted" at receivers feet - One "wobbled" out of his hand - One was an NFL caliber throw So it's going to be very evident if he's improved in OTA's, because the bar he set last year was so low. Time is going to be the true measure of Hackenberg's "improvement". Can he build on his improvement from OTA's to mini-camp to training camp to pre-season games to the actual season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 2 hours ago, jetrider said: Doesn't matter what anyone thinks in May. When Denver signed Sanchez he thought he was the starter before he was cut in Sept. And that was a mistake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 4 hours ago, FTL Jet Fan said: Sounds promising. For me to poop on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greensleeves Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 3 hours ago, jetrider said: Please give more specifics and less hypotheticals Why don't you give specifics on his coaching ability? Belicheck and Parcels must have been amazing players - funny you never hear about their playing days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Woody Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 3 hours ago, jetrider said: Please give more specifics and less hypotheticals www.google.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 3 hours ago, Greensleeves said: Why don't you give specifics on his coaching ability? Belicheck and Parcels must have been amazing players - funny you never hear about their playing days. I don't need examples of great coaches that never or hardly played. That doesn't mean Jordan Palmer is one of them. Besides, a great HC requires different skills than say a QB technique specialist would or should have. Compare apples to apples. Just because some great coaches were unsuccessful players, it doesn't mean all unsuccessful players make great coaches. I asked what exactly does he teach and all I got was a pile of hypothetical whiffle-whaffle. I need real evidence. Hint: “Nice guy” and “Carson Palmer’s brother” don’t count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 7 hours ago, jetspenguin said: This is where he lost his credibility "studied him in pregame warmups for one game last season" I don't see why you would say that at all? The only games the guy got to dress were at the end of the year. Another teams scout made the observation and pre games warm ups are pitch and catch, no defense, it should be a can't miss easy peasy hit all throws. If the guy is throwing terribly then it is pretty telling and very relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRONX DUDE Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 7 hours ago, jetrider said: Please give more specifics and less hypotheticals Rome wasn't built in a day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 9 hours ago, BRONX DUDE said: Rome wasn't built in a day! It can be destroyed in minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 11 hours ago, KRL said: Hackenberg wasn't ready last year, anyone who watched him in camp saw that. Out of every 4 throws he made: - One sailed over receivers heads - One "dirted" at receivers feet - One "wobbled" out of his hand - One was an NFL caliber throw So it's going to be very evident if he's improved in OTA's, because the bar he set last year was so low. Time is going to be the true measure of Hackenberg's "improvement". Can he build on his improvement from OTA's to mini-camp to training camp to pre-season games to the actual season? I was thinking about this the other day, He had such a hard time just throwing the ball like an NFL QB in camp last season that any significant improvement should be evident within just a few minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sciond Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 the good news on Hack.... He will lead us to the promised land.... We are going to win the Tankbowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsbb Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 13 hours ago, KRL said: Hackenberg wasn't ready last year, anyone who watched him in camp saw that. Out of every 4 throws he made: - One sailed over receivers heads - One "dirted" at receivers feet - One "wobbled" out of his hand - One was an NFL caliber throw So it's going to be very evident if he's improved in OTA's, because the bar he set last year was so low. Time is going to be the true measure of Hackenberg's "improvement". Can he build on his improvement from OTA's to mini-camp to training camp to pre-season games to the actual season? Explain to me how is it possible a guy whose mechanics are terrible and everyone who sees him says is highly inaccurate runs to the same ****ing guy in the offseason to help fix him? Jordan Palmer obviously did a terrible job so he goes to him again. Makes sense.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 HackeySack. Next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetspenguin Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 13 hours ago, Beerfish said: I don't see why you would say that at all? The only games the guy got to dress were at the end of the year. Another teams scout made the observation and pre games warm ups are pitch and catch, no defense, it should be a can't miss easy peasy hit all throws. If the guy is throwing terribly then it is pretty telling and very relevant. I think it's waaaaaay too small a sample to be accurate or relevant. He may be sh*tty, there is a lot of tape that he could have used to validate his point. It literally could have been his worst moment in warm ups..I believe you need at least 3 observations to make a valid assessment. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Jordan Palmer worked with 7 NFL starters before the 2015 season and prepped Bortles for the draft. If you want to pretend he is not a respected coach, go ahead. Sometimes the problem is the pupil, not the teacher(s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Savage69 Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 On 5/21/2017 at 1:37 PM, jetrider said: Please give more specifics and less hypotheticals Well you know the old saying; If you can't do it teach it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCJet Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 This was posted on NJ.com and is really why I dont think Hack can ever make it. No QB in the history of the league continually bounces balls or sails them, that is something that will lose too many games for you. Maybe it was just day 1, but seems like the same thing from last year When he misses ... he really misses Connor Hughes http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2017/05/christian_hackenberg_observations_howd_he_look_at.html This was my biggest issue with Hackenberg last year. It's still my biggest issue today. When the guy misses, they are back-breaking misses. Just horrific throws. Hackenberg threw one interception when he forced the ball into zone coverage. He should have thrown another two when safety Doug Middleton jumped the route, and Hackenberg threw it anyway, but Middleton dropped them. Hackenberg attempted to throw a swing pass to running back Elijah McGuire, but sailed the ball 15 yards over his head. He bounced once to a wide-open receiver on a five-yard curl. Hackenberg will wow you one second, then wow you in the other sense with his very next pass. Here's an example (video here). The ball just gets away. This happens far too often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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