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aside from Darnold, Allen, and Rosen...who are the other guys who might end up at the top of the draft? Rudolph? Stidham?

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Rosen is Jay Cutler like head case, maybe worse they are already crossing him off the list because of how big a douche his teammates think he is.

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After Darnold my next favorite QB is Josh Allen.  He has a monster arm and plays in a pro style offense

 

I think Lamar Jackson is going to be a better pro than people think he will be

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On 6/7/2017 at 8:09 PM, thadude said:

After Darnold my next favorite QB is Josh Allen.  He has a monster arm and plays in a pro style offense

 

I think Lamar Jackson is going to be a better pro than people think he will be

a pro WR? :)

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2 MASON RUDOLPH QB
OKLAHOMA STATE COWBOYS

STATS
SEASON TEAM G ATT COMP YDS INT TDS SACKED RATING
2014-15 Oklahoma State 3 86 49 853 0 6 8 154.0
2015-16 Oklahoma State 13 424 264 3770 9 21 30 149.1
TOTAL   16 510 313 4623 0 27 38 149.9

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On 6/24/2017 at 1:01 AM, Paradis said:

Falk

Falk is a really interesting player.  Doesnt have an elite arm, but does have the size to not be completely limited in arm strength and is very accurate.

I dont know if he can step in and be a day 1 starter in 2018, but seems like yet another QB who will be taken in the top 50 next year.

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2 hours ago, BCJet said:

Falk is a really interesting player.  Doesnt have an elite arm, but does have the size to not be completely limited in arm strength and is very accurate.

I dont know if he can step in and be a day 1 starter in 2018, but seems like yet another QB who will be taken in the top 50 next year.

I think he'd do OK if he had to take snaps year 1... What he's good at (timing, touch, accuracy) -- an OC can work with that. 

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On 6/7/2017 at 7:37 PM, Lupz27 said:

Rosen is Jay Cutler like head case, maybe worse they are already crossing him off the list because of how big a douche his teammates think he is.

Danny Kanell (@dannykanell)

8/8/17, 4:57 PM

Josh Rosen needs to stop spouting off nonsense and worry about living up to the hype -- which he hasn't to this point.

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Phil Savage (@SeniorBowlPhil)

8/11/17, 10:23 AM

After seeing @HuskerFBNation QB Tanner Lee spin it yesterday, he will be a top NFL prospect for '18 or '19. Size, arm talent, intangibles.

 

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Draft Analyst (@DraftAnalyst1)

8/20/17, 7:56 PM

#MissState QB Nick Fitzgerald presently grades as a 2nd rd talent, but @TonyPauline feels he could move north: draftanalyst.com/scouting-sec-m… pic.twitter.com/mLLDyrItmJ

 

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Darnold is a Day 1 starter.   Rudolph has huge upside but needs a redshirt year to adjust from the air raid.   Allen i've only read about and I just don't see anything special in Rosen.   re: Rosen - I would never use a top 5 pick on a QB with a surgically repaired shoulder.   "soft tissue" is code for labrum or rotator cuff.   

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20 hours ago, Lupz27 said:

I think I have agreed with you on most QB's coming out of the draft, historically. We both think Darnold is going to be special.

If we want him, we better be hoping USC wins the national title this year. If they fal short, that will be his only reason not to declare. 

And we'd get Peyton Manning'd '97 style again. 

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A player to watch this besides the main guys already mentioned is Jarret Stidham of Auburn. Transferred there this year.

If he has the year they're hoping from him, he could be a top 10 pick potentially.

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59 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

A player to watch this besides the main guys already mentioned is Jarret Stidham of Auburn. Transferred there this year.

If he has the year they're hoping from him, he could be a top 10 pick potentially.

Sounds like there could be like 5 QB's go in the first 35 picks, last time that happened was 2011, and only ONE was special the 1st overall pick 3 have flamed out, and Dalton has been decent, it's Darnold or bust!

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On 6/24/2017 at 1:01 AM, Paradis said:

Falk

Falk's playing style reminds A LOT of Tom Brady; there I said it out loud.  That must be his favorite player because he looks just like him on the field.  He has Brady down pat, stance, footwork, throwing motion even the way his holds the ball.  I hate Brady with a passion so I don't like him.

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On 7/25/2017 at 9:19 PM, Ohio State NY Jets fan said:

2 MASON RUDOLPH QB
OKLAHOMA STATE COWBOYS

STATS
SEASON TEAM G ATT COMP YDS INT TDS SACKED RATING
2014-15 Oklahoma State 3 86 49 853 0 6 8 154.0
2015-16 Oklahoma State 13 424 264 3770 9 21 30 149.1
TOTAL   16 510 313 4623 0 27 38 149.9

What kind of math is that on those total INTs?

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46 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

He also says Hackenberg has a 70% chance to succeed in the NFL as a starter!

I didn't hear the whole thing. Wow, really? That's probably the best compliment Hackenberg has gotten from anyone since his freshman year.

Tough from me to place a % on something potential based. But, I'll take the word of someone as respected as him, who has his personal scouting metrics to come to that #.

I personally wanted us to draft Hackenberg in round 3, with the idea he may be able to become a good starter by year 3 or 4. This was when i didn't think the Jets would be in a position to draft a once in a decade talent anytime soon. So, waiting a few years seemed reasonable. 

Since, this is his "real" rookie year to me (as he didn't have practice reps last year) I don't think he'll be able to produce anything that will detract us from taking Darnold or Allen. 

But, it will be interesting to see how he competes with the incoming drafted QB for the next 2 years. Does he crumble, or improve and become a tradable asset? 

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2 hours ago, Lupz27 said:

He also says Hackenberg has a 70% chance to succeed in the NFL as a starter!

I listened to more of the podcast and when speaking of young QB's, he said they above all need talent around them to succeed. But most important talent for them is OLINE. I mean this is obvious to most anyone. But further highlights our need to bolster our offensive line for Hack or whoever we draft next year. 

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With the college season starting for real this week it's going to be interesting watching these QB's and
trying to determine who may have traits to be successful on the pro level:

- What's their frame / arm like?
- Are they running a gimmick offense or are they exposed to pro concepts?
- Are they under center or only in the shotgun?
- Do they have clean footwork dropping back or do they only have to reset their feet?
- Are they playing against good defensive competition or jokes where windows are 5-6 yards wide?
- Can they make pro throws vertically down the field or only horizontal spread throws?
- Can they play from the pocket or do they make one read and try to run?

And those questions don't even deal with "intangible" issues like leadership and how hard does
he study and work off the field.  QB evaluation isn't easy no matter what anyone wants to say
  

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Josh Allen is playing Iowa on Saturday on the Big Ten Network.  And Josh Rosen is playing Texas A&M on Sunday on Fox

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First time seeing Josh Allen and have to say I'm impressed.  He's playing against
Iowa on the road with a young team:

- Excellent frame with room to bulk up
- Big arm
- Shows decent touch
- Shows the ability to keep accuracy while on the move
- And maybe most important he's in a pro style offense.  Where he's taking
snaps from under center and in the shotgun.  Also, he's calling plays in
the huddle and making adjustments at the line

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9 minutes ago, KRL said:

First time seeing Josh Allen and have to say I'm impressed.  He's playing against
Iowa on the road with a young team:

- Excellent frame with room to bulk up
- Big arm
- Shows decent touch
- Shows the ability to keep accuracy while on the move
- And maybe most important he's in a pro style offense.  Where he's taking
snaps from under center and in the shotgun.  Also, he's calling plays in
the huddle and making adjustments at the line

All well, and good, but he doesn't look that good to me, he is a poor mans Patrick Mahomes talent wise with an advantage with pro style offense experience.

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On 9/2/2017 at 0:45 PM, KRL said:

First time seeing Josh Allen and have to say I'm impressed.  He's playing against
Iowa on the road with a young team:

- Excellent frame with room to bulk up
- Big arm
- Shows decent touch
- Shows the ability to keep accuracy while on the move
- And maybe most important he's in a pro style offense.  Where he's taking
snaps from under center and in the shotgun.  Also, he's calling plays in
the huddle and making adjustments at the line

He made 2 really bad decisions on the interceptions (both were very Hackenberg-esque).

That being said, how would the game be different for him and Wyoming if his receiver caught that TD pass that Allen threaded down the field after stepping up in the pocket?

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On 9/2/2017 at 11:45 AM, KRL said:

First time seeing Josh Allen and have to say I'm impressed.  He's playing against
Iowa on the road with a young team:

- Excellent frame with room to bulk up
- Big arm
- Shows decent touch
- Shows the ability to keep accuracy while on the move
- And maybe most important he's in a pro style offense.  Where he's taking
snaps from under center and in the shotgun.  Also, he's calling plays in
the huddle and making adjustments at the line

 

On 9/2/2017 at 11:56 AM, Lupz27 said:

All well, and good, but he doesn't look that good to me, he is a poor mans Patrick Mahomes talent wise with an advantage with pro style offense experience.

I agree with with both of these, but I am in more agreement with @Lupz27 on this. The physical traits are what they are, no denying that. BUT.... the whole "plays in a pro style offense" thing for me carries less weight than it did years ago. You can teach taking snaps form under center, calling plays , and making adjustments at the line.... See Mariota, that kid rarely, if ever took snaps under center at Oregon, and then by the first Titans team mini camp already had worked on the under center snaps, footwork and he looked good at it.

I want a QB that has the arm talent, natural movement/awareness in the pocket, and most importantly the guy that doesn't get rattled or look like the moment is too big for him. The other stuff can be taught, yes there is a learning curve, but if I have a kid that already can complete 65% of his passes and does everything except play in a pr style offense I will take him and the learning curve.

Allen is not the guy, just my opinion. Seems very Hack like from Freshman year at Penn St.

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