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Regarding our $80 Million War Chest Next Year

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Right now the average is less than one quality player per draft

It's easy to criticise GMs but even bona fide stud GMs have plenty of busts and hit rough patches. Ozzie Newsome is a good example.


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10 hours ago, jgb said:

Yeah if a team does not do well that must mean no individual players are elite or impacted a game. Ok then.

 

 

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No real reason to get into it.  We can go down the rabbit hole, but I do not think we even disagree much.

Certain positions have more impact than others.  Agree or disagree?

I think the biggest portion of the issue is how easy it is to find a player that is (pick a percentage - I said 80% before, but maybe it is closer to 95%).  There are a bunch of players that can do 80-95% of what Mangold could do at his peak, but there probably are not 15 players that can give you 65% of Aaron Rodgers.

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On 6/19/2017 at 6:47 AM, jdeacon said:

I have no idea who will be available next year but there is a good chance we will need to use some of the money on the offensive line. RT, LT and C are still major question marks heading forward. If any of them faulter this year we will want to go look for the best to protect that 1st round qb we will be drafting in 18.

On 6/19/2017 at 5:19 PM, foxgt90 said:

Idk who will be available next year but lets hope its not Mac who's still choosing who to draft and who to spend the money on.

 

Currently scheduled to hit free agency (UFA) in 2018 include the following:

  • QB Kirk Cousins
  • QB Drew Brees
  • QB Derek Carr
  • QB Matthew Stafford
  • QB Jimmy Garoppolo
  • QB Sam Bradford

 

  • RB Le'Veon Bell
  • RB Devonta Freeman
  • RB Frank Gore
  • RB Jamaal Charles
  • RB Darren Sproles
  • RB Eddie Lacy
  • RB Carlos Hyde
  • RB Shane Vereen
  • RB Ryan Mathews
  • RB LeGarrette Blount
  • RB Dion Lewis
  • RB Charles Sims
  • RB Chris Thompson
  • RB Bernard Pierce

 

  • WR DeAndre Hopkins
  • WR Alshon Jeffrey
  • WR Allen Robinson
  • WR Sammy Watkins
  • WR Larry Fitzgerald
  • WR Jarvis Landry
  • WR Jordan Matthews
  • WR Eric Decker
  • WR Donte Moncrief
  • WR Martavis Bryant
  • WR Davante Adams
  • WR John Brown
  • WR Mike Wallace
  • WR Kamar Aiken

 

  • TE Jimmy Graham
  • TE Tyler Eifert
  • TE Antonio Gates
  • TE Benjamin Watson
  • TE Zach Miller

 

  • LT Nate Solder
  • LT Donald Penn
  • LT Khalif Barnes
  • G Trai Turner
  • G Luke Joeckel
  • G Shawn Lauvao
  • G Andre Smith
  • G Jermon Bushrod
  • G D.J. Fluker
  • G Andrew Norwell
  • G Jahri Evans
  • G Justin Pugh
  • G Lane Taylor
  • G Matt Slauson
  • C Eric Wood
  • C Evan Smith
  • C Joe Berger
  • C Daniel Kilgore
  • RT Greg Robinson
  • RT Chris Clark
  • RT Gary Gilliam
  • RT Byron Bell
  • RT Eric Winston

 

  • DE Ezekial Ansah
  • DE/OLB Akeem Hicks
  • DE William Hayes
  • DE Rob Ninkovich
  • DE Adrian Clayborn
  • DE Desmond Bryant
  • DE Jared Crick
  • DE Cornellius Carradine
  • DE George Johnson
  • DT Dontari Poe
  • DT Kyle Williams
  • DT Haloti Ngata
  • DT Corey Peters
  • DT Bennie Logan
  • DT Clinton McDonald
  • DT Star Lotulelei
  • DT Tom Johnson
  • DT Sharrif Floyd

 

  • OLB Vontaze Burfict
  • OLB Thomas Davis
  • OLB Ahmad Brooks
  • OLB Aldon Smith
  • OLB Koa Misi
  • OLB Datone Jones
  • OLB Barkevious Mingo
  • OLB Alec Ogletree
  • OLB Tahir Whitehead
  • OLB Julius Peppers
  • OLB Connor Barwin
  • OLB J.T. Thomas
  • ILB Paul Posluszny
  • ILB Kevin Minter
  • ILB Paul Worrilow
  • ILB Karlos Dansby
  • ILB Wesley Woodyard
  • ILB Keenan Robinson
  • ILB Zach Brown
  • ILB Todd Davis

 

  • CB Xavier Rhodes
  • CB Malcolm Butler
  • CB Trumaine Johnson
  • CB Vontae Davis
  • CB Prince Amukamara
  • CB Brent Grimes
  • CB Jonathan Joseph
  • CB DeAngelo Hall
  • CB Justin Bethel
  • CB D.J. Hayden
  • CB Terence Newman
  • CB Darius Butler
  • CB Davon House
  • FS Reggie Nelson
  • FS Eric Reid
  • FS Glover Quin
  • FS Nate Allen
  • FS Darrell Stuckey
  • FS Michael Thomas
  • SS Kam Chancellor
  • SS T.J. Ward
  • SS Kenny Vaccaro
  • SS Morgan Burnett
  • SS Tyvon Branch
  • SS Kemal Ishmael
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47 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

Currently scheduled to hit free agency (UFA) in 2018 include the following:

  • QB Kirk Cousins
  • QB Drew Brees
  • QB Derek Carr
  • QB Matthew Stafford
  • QB Jimmy Garoppolo
  • QB Sam Bradford

 

  • RB Le'Veon Bell
  • RB Devonta Freeman
  • RB Frank Gore
  • RB Jamaal Charles
  • RB Darren Sproles
  • RB Eddie Lacy
  • RB Carlos Hyde
  • RB Shane Vereen
  • RB Ryan Mathews
  • RB LeGarrette Blount
  • RB Dion Lewis
  • RB Charles Sims
  • RB Chris Thompson
  • RB Bernard Pierce

 

  • WR DeAndre Hopkins
  • WR Alshon Jeffrey
  • WR Allen Robinson
  • WR Sammy Watkins
  • WR Larry Fitzgerald
  • WR Jarvis Landry
  • WR Jordan Matthews
  • WR Eric Decker
  • WR Donte Moncrief
  • WR Martavis Bryant
  • WR Davante Adams
  • WR John Brown
  • WR Mike Wallace
  • WR Kamar Aiken

 

  • TE Jimmy Graham
  • TE Tyler Eifert
  • TE Antonio Gates
  • TE Benjamin Watson
  • TE Zach Miller

 

  • LT Nate Solder
  • LT Donald Penn
  • LT Khalif Barnes
  • G Trai Turner
  • G Luke Joeckel
  • G Shawn Lauvao
  • G Andre Smith
  • G Jermon Bushrod
  • G D.J. Fluker
  • G Andrew Norwell
  • G Jahri Evans
  • G Justin Pugh
  • G Lane Taylor
  • G Matt Slauson
  • C Eric Wood
  • C Evan Smith
  • C Joe Berger
  • C Daniel Kilgore
  • RT Greg Robinson
  • RT Chris Clark
  • RT Gary Gilliam
  • RT Byron Bell
  • RT Eric Winston

 

  • DE Ezekial Ansah
  • DE/OLB Akeem Hicks
  • DE William Hayes
  • DE Rob Ninkovich
  • DE Adrian Clayborn
  • DE Desmond Bryant
  • DE Jared Crick
  • DE Cornellius Carradine
  • DE George Johnson
  • DT Dontari Poe
  • DT Kyle Williams
  • DT Haloti Ngata
  • DT Corey Peters
  • DT Bennie Logan
  • DT Clinton McDonald
  • DT Star Lotulelei
  • DT Tom Johnson
  • DT Sharrif Floyd

 

  • OLB Vontaze Burfict
  • OLB Thomas Davis
  • OLB Ahmad Brooks
  • OLB Aldon Smith
  • OLB Koa Misi
  • OLB Datone Jones
  • OLB Barkevious Mingo
  • OLB Alec Ogletree
  • OLB Tahir Whitehead
  • OLB Julius Peppers
  • OLB Connor Barwin
  • OLB J.T. Thomas
  • ILB Paul Posluszny
  • ILB Kevin Minter
  • ILB Paul Worrilow
  • ILB Karlos Dansby
  • ILB Wesley Woodyard
  • ILB Keenan Robinson
  • ILB Zach Brown
  • ILB Todd Davis

 

  • CB Xavier Rhodes
  • CB Malcolm Butler
  • CB Trumaine Johnson
  • CB Vontae Davis
  • CB Prince Amukamara
  • CB Brent Grimes
  • CB Jonathan Joseph
  • CB DeAngelo Hall
  • CB Justin Bethel
  • CB D.J. Hayden
  • CB Terence Newman
  • CB Darius Butler
  • CB Davon House
  • FS Reggie Nelson
  • FS Eric Reid
  • FS Glover Quin
  • FS Nate Allen
  • FS Darrell Stuckey
  • FS Michael Thomas
  • SS Kam Chancellor
  • SS T.J. Ward
  • SS Kenny Vaccaro
  • SS Morgan Burnett
  • SS Tyvon Branch
  • SS Kemal Ishmael

The key word there is "Currently". We don't know yet who will really be available. My point is that I'm hoping it's not Mac making our roster decisions next year.

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2 minutes ago, foxgt90 said:

The key word there is "Currently". We don't know yet who will really be available. My point is that I'm hoping it's not Mac making our roster decisions next year.

Of course we don't.  Was just trying to provide information to a thread that's about what we're going to do with the $80 million. 

We have no idea who among that list are going to get re-signed or if Macc will be the GM next offseason, but we do know that a bunch of players on that list would be candidates to get some of that $80 million. 

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Sure hope we find some OL depth during training camp/preseason.  

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1 hour ago, foxgt90 said:

The key word there is "Currently". We don't know yet who will really be available. My point is that I'm hoping it's not Mac making our roster decisions next year.

All true, but there will also be other available players who weren't scheduled to be FAs. While many on that list will be re-signed before free agency begins, other under-contract players will get released.

Just this year, we let go of Mangold, Harris, B.Marshall, Decker, Revis, Giacomini, Cumberland, Gilchrist, Henderson, Folk, N.Marshall, and were (allegedly) going to release Pryor before he was traded. None were scheduled to become FAs.

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12 hours ago, jgb said:


It's easy to criticise GMs but even bona fide stud GMs have plenty of busts and hit rough patches. Ozzie Newsome is a good example.


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One good player from his first two drafts.  (1/14 draft picks?) No one is perfect but that's almost perfectly bad

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3 hours ago, peebag said:

Sure hope we find some OL depth during training camp/preseason.  

Depth?  We need starters.  The OTA reports say the OL looks horrible and made Mauldin look like a young Lawrence Taylor

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14 minutes ago, thadude said:

Depth?  We need starters.  The OTA reports say the OL looks horrible and made Mauldin look like a young Lawrence Taylor

And this has been the problem with Mac's drafts. Seems to find good depth value players...but that won't mean anything if he isn't drafting quality starters.

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1 hour ago, Adoni Beast said:

And this has been the problem with Mac's drafts. Seems to find good depth value players...but that won't mean anything if he isn't drafting quality starters.

The big thing next season besides horrible qb play will be the O-line which is going to stink.

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32 minutes ago, long suffering jets fan said:

His grades on the 2016 draftees are high comedy and Leonard Williams is already a Pro Bowler. Absurd that someone gets paid to write sh*t like that. If that was a new thread on here, it'd get deleted.

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4 hours ago, T0mShane said:

His grades on the 2016 draftees are high comedy and Leonard Williams is already a Pro Bowler. Absurd that someone gets paid to write sh*t like that. If that was a new thread on here, it'd get deleted.

As opposed to the crap we write and don't get paid for ;-)

He had the following in 2016 - Lee (B), Hack (C), Jenkins (B), Burris (B), Shell (B), Edwards (D-)

I would have had - Lee (B minus, showed some potential), Hack (C minus - Jury's out, picked too early), Jenkins (B minus), Burris (B minus), Shell (B plus), Edwards (D).

Some folks on this board would have written F for everyone in 2016, which I don't think is right either.

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20 minutes ago, long suffering jets fan said:

As opposed to the crap we write and don't get paid for ;-)

He had the following in 2016 - Lee (B), Hack (C), Jenkins (B), Burris (B), Shell (B), Edwards (D-)

I would have had - Lee (B minus, showed some potential), Hack (C minus - Jury's out, picked too early), Jenkins (B minus), Burris (B minus), Shell (B plus), Edwards (D).

Some folks on this board would have written F for everyone in 2016, which I don't think is right either.

Still a tad generous.

Lee was bad, but for some reason it's taboo to say so because he was a "rookie" at a plug and play position. Since 2000, the Defensive Rookie of the Year award went to a linebacker 11 out of 16 times. He was vastly outplayed by both Deion Jones and Myles Jack, who were both drafted after Lee. He was awful in coverage and weak against the run, then he got injured after getting steamrolled on a block because he's ******* puny.

 

Hackenberg getting a "B" is ridiculous for obvious reasons. I mean, How does anyone sit at a keyboard and write something like that? "Can't play, couldn't play, never played, looked like trash in practice and was shredded by everyone who saw him throw a football. Let's give that one a B." Please.

 

Giving Jenkins, who was invisible, a B only works if you compare his production to Lorenzo Maudlin, which seems to be what we're doing. Like, "hey, at least he wasn't an outright liability!" Why Maccagnan has a preference for unathletic OLBs is mind-boggling, like he's drafting for a team that's going to play in 1964.

 

Burris never played despite literally every corner getting reps in front of him being terrible. We can blame Bowles for not wanting to admit his buddy Buster Skrine was an awful signing, but even Pats castoff Darryl Roberts looked better than Burris. And if you look at his agility numbers, it'd be a stretch to even assume he could be an effective strong safety.

 

Shell, after Leo, has been Maccagnan's best pick and deserves a B, even though he's about to hit the bench for the immortal Ben Ijalana.

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6 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Still a tad generous.

Lee was bad, but for some reason it's taboo to say so because he was a "rookie" at a plug and play position. Since 2000, the Defensive Rookie of the Year award went to a linebacker 11 out of 16 times. He was vastly outplayed by both Deion Jones and Myles Jack, who were both drafted after Lee. He was awful in coverage and weak against the run, then he got injured after getting steamrolled on a block because he's ******* puny.

 

Hackenberg getting a "B" is ridiculous for obvious reasons. I mean, How does anyone sit at a keyboard and write something like that? "Can't play, couldn't play, never played, looked like trash in practice and was shredded by everyone who saw him throw a football. Let's give that one a B." Please.

 

Giving Jenkins, who was invisible, a B only works if you compare his production to Lorenzo Maudlin, which seems to be what we're doing. Like, "hey, at least he wasn't an outright liability!" Why Maccagnan has a preference for unathletic OLBs is mind-boggling, like he's drafting for a team that's going to play in 1964.

 

Burris never played despite literally every corner getting reps in front of him being terrible. We can blame Bowles for not wanting to admit his buddy Buster Skrine was an awful signing, but even Pats castoff Darryl Roberts looked better than Burris. And if you look at his agility numbers, it'd be a stretch to even assume he could be an effective strong safety.

 

Shell, after Leo, has been Maccagnan's best pick and deserves a B, even though he's about to hit the bench for the immortal Ben Ijalana.

it is with a heavy heart that i must announce that the SOJFs are at it again

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8 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Still a tad generous.

Lee was bad, but for some reason it's taboo to say so because he was a "rookie" at a plug and play position. Since 2000, the Defensive Rookie of the Year award went to a linebacker 11 out of 16 times. He was vastly outplayed by both Deion Jones and Myles Jack, who were both drafted after Lee. He was awful in coverage and weak against the run, then he got injured after getting steamrolled on a block because he's ******* puny.

 

Hackenberg getting a "B" is ridiculous for obvious reasons. I mean, How does anyone sit at a keyboard and write something like that? "Can't play, couldn't play, never played, looked like trash in practice and was shredded by everyone who saw him throw a football. Let's give that one a B." Please.

 

Giving Jenkins, who was invisible, a B only works if you compare his production to Lorenzo Maudlin, which seems to be what we're doing. Like, "hey, at least he wasn't an outright liability!" Why Maccagnan has a preference for unathletic OLBs is mind-boggling, like he's drafting for a team that's going to play in 1964.

 

Burris never played despite literally every corner getting reps in front of him being terrible. We can blame Bowles for not wanting to admit his buddy Buster Skrine was an awful signing, but even Pats castoff Darryl Roberts looked better than Burris. And if you look at his agility numbers, it'd be a stretch to even assume he could be an effective strong safety.

 

Shell, after Leo, has been Maccagnan's best pick and deserves a B, even though he's about to hit the bench for the immortal Ben Ijalana.

I could nitpick, but in general a good assessment.  Lee has great speed and can cover sideline to sideline, but plugging holes is not his thing and I can't see him ever covering tight ends, perhaps RBs out oft the backfield.

Hackenberg was rated a C, but based on his reported body of work he could be a D.  However with his work this spring a C may be optimistic, but not out of the question.

Also Peake in the 7th round, overachieved his draft position and could see an expanded role this year.

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