jgb Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 I like Macc, but even I'm not that delusional. If at least half of this years picks aren't starting by end of year we got a serious problem considering the horrible talent level of the team Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 1 hour ago, jgb said: Just because you couldn't see mangolds impact on some "jacked up" highlight real doesn't mean it wasn't there. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app No need to watch highlights. Just check the standings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 No need to watch highlights. Just check the standings. Yeah if a team does not do well that must mean no individual players are elite or impacted a game. Ok then. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 On 6/20/2017 at 8:43 AM, Sperm Edwards said: Spend on the OL? What position, other than center? LT - They just sank $17m in to the position in March ($12m guaranteed for Beachum, and with $3m of his $5m guaranteed it seems they're keeping Ijalana for the year even if he's just a backup, making his full $5m effectively guaranteed). The hope is Beachum returns to form and then becomes an $8m/yr LT for 3 seasons, but he was considered such a risk they also re-signed Ijalana the day before so the two contracts can't be looked at independently (unless one becomes the starting RT). LG - Carpenter will be entering his final contract year so the only likely ways to "spend on the OL" at his position in 2018 is to extend him early. Unless he gets badly injured or badly regresses between now and then, we all know what's coming: let him fully play out this contract through 2018 and then extend him in early 2019 at ~$12m/year. RG - Just extended Winters for 4 years in 2017. Could have had him for a lot less, but that's what happens when a team waits and paints itself into a corner (or feels it has done so). Regardless, it's done. RT - If Shell pans out there's nothing to do until 2019, when he'll be eligible for an early extension (and we should do it at that time if he's a keeper, while he's made no real money yet and is still 2 years away from any competitive bidding at his comparatively low-cost position). Considering there aren't any other younger veteran centers likely to become FAs in 2018, and it's a huge gamble to target that one position with a donut hole on the roster, we're likely re-upping Johnson. In other words, unless Beachum and/or Shell flop in 2017, we're keeping what we have now rather than upgrading any position on the line in FA. Why are you speaking sense again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 2 hours ago, long suffering jets fan said: I like Macc, but even I'm not that delusional. Right now the average is less than one quality player per draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Right now the average is less than one quality player per draft It's easy to criticise GMs but even bona fide stud GMs have plenty of busts and hit rough patches. Ozzie Newsome is a good example. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 10 hours ago, jgb said: Yeah if a team does not do well that must mean no individual players are elite or impacted a game. Ok then. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app No real reason to get into it. We can go down the rabbit hole, but I do not think we even disagree much. Certain positions have more impact than others. Agree or disagree? I think the biggest portion of the issue is how easy it is to find a player that is (pick a percentage - I said 80% before, but maybe it is closer to 95%). There are a bunch of players that can do 80-95% of what Mangold could do at his peak, but there probably are not 15 players that can give you 65% of Aaron Rodgers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 On 6/19/2017 at 6:47 AM, jdeacon said: I have no idea who will be available next year but there is a good chance we will need to use some of the money on the offensive line. RT, LT and C are still major question marks heading forward. If any of them faulter this year we will want to go look for the best to protect that 1st round qb we will be drafting in 18. On 6/19/2017 at 5:19 PM, foxgt90 said: Idk who will be available next year but lets hope its not Mac who's still choosing who to draft and who to spend the money on. Currently scheduled to hit free agency (UFA) in 2018 include the following: QB Kirk Cousins QB Drew Brees QB Derek Carr QB Matthew Stafford QB Jimmy Garoppolo QB Sam Bradford RB Le'Veon Bell RB Devonta Freeman RB Frank Gore RB Jamaal Charles RB Darren Sproles RB Eddie Lacy RB Carlos Hyde RB Shane Vereen RB Ryan Mathews RB LeGarrette Blount RB Dion Lewis RB Charles Sims RB Chris Thompson RB Bernard Pierce WR DeAndre Hopkins WR Alshon Jeffrey WR Allen Robinson WR Sammy Watkins WR Larry Fitzgerald WR Jarvis Landry WR Jordan Matthews WR Eric Decker WR Donte Moncrief WR Martavis Bryant WR Davante Adams WR John Brown WR Mike Wallace WR Kamar Aiken TE Jimmy Graham TE Tyler Eifert TE Antonio Gates TE Benjamin Watson TE Zach Miller LT Nate Solder LT Donald Penn LT Khalif Barnes G Trai Turner G Luke Joeckel G Shawn Lauvao G Andre Smith G Jermon Bushrod G D.J. Fluker G Andrew Norwell G Jahri Evans G Justin Pugh G Lane Taylor G Matt Slauson C Eric Wood C Evan Smith C Joe Berger C Daniel Kilgore RT Greg Robinson RT Chris Clark RT Gary Gilliam RT Byron Bell RT Eric Winston DE Ezekial Ansah DE/OLB Akeem Hicks DE William Hayes DE Rob Ninkovich DE Adrian Clayborn DE Desmond Bryant DE Jared Crick DE Cornellius Carradine DE George Johnson DT Dontari Poe DT Kyle Williams DT Haloti Ngata DT Corey Peters DT Bennie Logan DT Clinton McDonald DT Star Lotulelei DT Tom Johnson DT Sharrif Floyd OLB Vontaze Burfict OLB Thomas Davis OLB Ahmad Brooks OLB Aldon Smith OLB Koa Misi OLB Datone Jones OLB Barkevious Mingo OLB Alec Ogletree OLB Tahir Whitehead OLB Julius Peppers OLB Connor Barwin OLB J.T. Thomas ILB Paul Posluszny ILB Kevin Minter ILB Paul Worrilow ILB Karlos Dansby ILB Wesley Woodyard ILB Keenan Robinson ILB Zach Brown ILB Todd Davis CB Xavier Rhodes CB Malcolm Butler CB Trumaine Johnson CB Vontae Davis CB Prince Amukamara CB Brent Grimes CB Jonathan Joseph CB DeAngelo Hall CB Justin Bethel CB D.J. Hayden CB Terence Newman CB Darius Butler CB Davon House FS Reggie Nelson FS Eric Reid FS Glover Quin FS Nate Allen FS Darrell Stuckey FS Michael Thomas SS Kam Chancellor SS T.J. Ward SS Kenny Vaccaro SS Morgan Burnett SS Tyvon Branch SS Kemal Ishmael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxgt90 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 47 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Currently scheduled to hit free agency (UFA) in 2018 include the following: QB Kirk Cousins QB Drew Brees QB Derek Carr QB Matthew Stafford QB Jimmy Garoppolo QB Sam Bradford RB Le'Veon Bell RB Devonta Freeman RB Frank Gore RB Jamaal Charles RB Darren Sproles RB Eddie Lacy RB Carlos Hyde RB Shane Vereen RB Ryan Mathews RB LeGarrette Blount RB Dion Lewis RB Charles Sims RB Chris Thompson RB Bernard Pierce WR DeAndre Hopkins WR Alshon Jeffrey WR Allen Robinson WR Sammy Watkins WR Larry Fitzgerald WR Jarvis Landry WR Jordan Matthews WR Eric Decker WR Donte Moncrief WR Martavis Bryant WR Davante Adams WR John Brown WR Mike Wallace WR Kamar Aiken TE Jimmy Graham TE Tyler Eifert TE Antonio Gates TE Benjamin Watson TE Zach Miller LT Nate Solder LT Donald Penn LT Khalif Barnes G Trai Turner G Luke Joeckel G Shawn Lauvao G Andre Smith G Jermon Bushrod G D.J. Fluker G Andrew Norwell G Jahri Evans G Justin Pugh G Lane Taylor G Matt Slauson C Eric Wood C Evan Smith C Joe Berger C Daniel Kilgore RT Greg Robinson RT Chris Clark RT Gary Gilliam RT Byron Bell RT Eric Winston DE Ezekial Ansah DE/OLB Akeem Hicks DE William Hayes DE Rob Ninkovich DE Adrian Clayborn DE Desmond Bryant DE Jared Crick DE Cornellius Carradine DE George Johnson DT Dontari Poe DT Kyle Williams DT Haloti Ngata DT Corey Peters DT Bennie Logan DT Clinton McDonald DT Star Lotulelei DT Tom Johnson DT Sharrif Floyd OLB Vontaze Burfict OLB Thomas Davis OLB Ahmad Brooks OLB Aldon Smith OLB Koa Misi OLB Datone Jones OLB Barkevious Mingo OLB Alec Ogletree OLB Tahir Whitehead OLB Julius Peppers OLB Connor Barwin OLB J.T. Thomas ILB Paul Posluszny ILB Kevin Minter ILB Paul Worrilow ILB Karlos Dansby ILB Wesley Woodyard ILB Keenan Robinson ILB Zach Brown ILB Todd Davis CB Xavier Rhodes CB Malcolm Butler CB Trumaine Johnson CB Vontae Davis CB Prince Amukamara CB Brent Grimes CB Jonathan Joseph CB DeAngelo Hall CB Justin Bethel CB D.J. Hayden CB Terence Newman CB Darius Butler CB Davon House FS Reggie Nelson FS Eric Reid FS Glover Quin FS Nate Allen FS Darrell Stuckey FS Michael Thomas SS Kam Chancellor SS T.J. Ward SS Kenny Vaccaro SS Morgan Burnett SS Tyvon Branch SS Kemal Ishmael The key word there is "Currently". We don't know yet who will really be available. My point is that I'm hoping it's not Mac making our roster decisions next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, foxgt90 said: The key word there is "Currently". We don't know yet who will really be available. My point is that I'm hoping it's not Mac making our roster decisions next year. Of course we don't. Was just trying to provide information to a thread that's about what we're going to do with the $80 million. We have no idea who among that list are going to get re-signed or if Macc will be the GM next offseason, but we do know that a bunch of players on that list would be candidates to get some of that $80 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Sure hope we find some OL depth during training camp/preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 1 hour ago, foxgt90 said: The key word there is "Currently". We don't know yet who will really be available. My point is that I'm hoping it's not Mac making our roster decisions next year. All true, but there will also be other available players who weren't scheduled to be FAs. While many on that list will be re-signed before free agency begins, other under-contract players will get released. Just this year, we let go of Mangold, Harris, B.Marshall, Decker, Revis, Giacomini, Cumberland, Gilchrist, Henderson, Folk, N.Marshall, and were (allegedly) going to release Pryor before he was traded. None were scheduled to become FAs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 12 hours ago, jgb said: It's easy to criticise GMs but even bona fide stud GMs have plenty of busts and hit rough patches. Ozzie Newsome is a good example. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app One good player from his first two drafts. (1/14 draft picks?) No one is perfect but that's almost perfectly bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 3 hours ago, peebag said: Sure hope we find some OL depth during training camp/preseason. Depth? We need starters. The OTA reports say the OL looks horrible and made Mauldin look like a young Lawrence Taylor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 14 minutes ago, thadude said: Depth? We need starters. The OTA reports say the OL looks horrible and made Mauldin look like a young Lawrence Taylor And this has been the problem with Mac's drafts. Seems to find good depth value players...but that won't mean anything if he isn't drafting quality starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Adoni Beast said: And this has been the problem with Mac's drafts. Seems to find good depth value players...but that won't mean anything if he isn't drafting quality starters. The big thing next season besides horrible qb play will be the O-line which is going to stink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long suffering jets fan Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 On 6/21/2017 at 0:33 AM, thadude said: Right now the average is less than one quality player per draft A more balanced view: http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2017/04/nfl_draft_2017_grading_mike_maccagnans_jets_draft.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 32 minutes ago, long suffering jets fan said: A more balanced view: http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2017/04/nfl_draft_2017_grading_mike_maccagnans_jets_draft.html His grades on the 2016 draftees are high comedy and Leonard Williams is already a Pro Bowler. Absurd that someone gets paid to write sh*t like that. If that was a new thread on here, it'd get deleted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long suffering jets fan Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 4 hours ago, T0mShane said: His grades on the 2016 draftees are high comedy and Leonard Williams is already a Pro Bowler. Absurd that someone gets paid to write sh*t like that. If that was a new thread on here, it'd get deleted. As opposed to the crap we write and don't get paid for He had the following in 2016 - Lee (B), Hack (C), Jenkins (B), Burris (B), Shell (B), Edwards (D-) I would have had - Lee (B minus, showed some potential), Hack (C minus - Jury's out, picked too early), Jenkins (B minus), Burris (B minus), Shell (B plus), Edwards (D). Some folks on this board would have written F for everyone in 2016, which I don't think is right either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 20 minutes ago, long suffering jets fan said: As opposed to the crap we write and don't get paid for He had the following in 2016 - Lee (B), Hack (C), Jenkins (B), Burris (B), Shell (B), Edwards (D-) I would have had - Lee (B minus, showed some potential), Hack (C minus - Jury's out, picked too early), Jenkins (B minus), Burris (B minus), Shell (B plus), Edwards (D). Some folks on this board would have written F for everyone in 2016, which I don't think is right either. Still a tad generous. Lee was bad, but for some reason it's taboo to say so because he was a "rookie" at a plug and play position. Since 2000, the Defensive Rookie of the Year award went to a linebacker 11 out of 16 times. He was vastly outplayed by both Deion Jones and Myles Jack, who were both drafted after Lee. He was awful in coverage and weak against the run, then he got injured after getting steamrolled on a block because he's ******* puny. Hackenberg getting a "B" is ridiculous for obvious reasons. I mean, How does anyone sit at a keyboard and write something like that? "Can't play, couldn't play, never played, looked like trash in practice and was shredded by everyone who saw him throw a football. Let's give that one a B." Please. Giving Jenkins, who was invisible, a B only works if you compare his production to Lorenzo Maudlin, which seems to be what we're doing. Like, "hey, at least he wasn't an outright liability!" Why Maccagnan has a preference for unathletic OLBs is mind-boggling, like he's drafting for a team that's going to play in 1964. Burris never played despite literally every corner getting reps in front of him being terrible. We can blame Bowles for not wanting to admit his buddy Buster Skrine was an awful signing, but even Pats castoff Darryl Roberts looked better than Burris. And if you look at his agility numbers, it'd be a stretch to even assume he could be an effective strong safety. Shell, after Leo, has been Maccagnan's best pick and deserves a B, even though he's about to hit the bench for the immortal Ben Ijalana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Still a tad generous. Lee was bad, but for some reason it's taboo to say so because he was a "rookie" at a plug and play position. Since 2000, the Defensive Rookie of the Year award went to a linebacker 11 out of 16 times. He was vastly outplayed by both Deion Jones and Myles Jack, who were both drafted after Lee. He was awful in coverage and weak against the run, then he got injured after getting steamrolled on a block because he's ******* puny. Hackenberg getting a "B" is ridiculous for obvious reasons. I mean, How does anyone sit at a keyboard and write something like that? "Can't play, couldn't play, never played, looked like trash in practice and was shredded by everyone who saw him throw a football. Let's give that one a B." Please. Giving Jenkins, who was invisible, a B only works if you compare his production to Lorenzo Maudlin, which seems to be what we're doing. Like, "hey, at least he wasn't an outright liability!" Why Maccagnan has a preference for unathletic OLBs is mind-boggling, like he's drafting for a team that's going to play in 1964. Burris never played despite literally every corner getting reps in front of him being terrible. We can blame Bowles for not wanting to admit his buddy Buster Skrine was an awful signing, but even Pats castoff Darryl Roberts looked better than Burris. And if you look at his agility numbers, it'd be a stretch to even assume he could be an effective strong safety. Shell, after Leo, has been Maccagnan's best pick and deserves a B, even though he's about to hit the bench for the immortal Ben Ijalana. it is with a heavy heart that i must announce that the SOJFs are at it again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long suffering jets fan Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 8 hours ago, T0mShane said: Still a tad generous. Lee was bad, but for some reason it's taboo to say so because he was a "rookie" at a plug and play position. Since 2000, the Defensive Rookie of the Year award went to a linebacker 11 out of 16 times. He was vastly outplayed by both Deion Jones and Myles Jack, who were both drafted after Lee. He was awful in coverage and weak against the run, then he got injured after getting steamrolled on a block because he's ******* puny. Hackenberg getting a "B" is ridiculous for obvious reasons. I mean, How does anyone sit at a keyboard and write something like that? "Can't play, couldn't play, never played, looked like trash in practice and was shredded by everyone who saw him throw a football. Let's give that one a B." Please. Giving Jenkins, who was invisible, a B only works if you compare his production to Lorenzo Maudlin, which seems to be what we're doing. Like, "hey, at least he wasn't an outright liability!" Why Maccagnan has a preference for unathletic OLBs is mind-boggling, like he's drafting for a team that's going to play in 1964. Burris never played despite literally every corner getting reps in front of him being terrible. We can blame Bowles for not wanting to admit his buddy Buster Skrine was an awful signing, but even Pats castoff Darryl Roberts looked better than Burris. And if you look at his agility numbers, it'd be a stretch to even assume he could be an effective strong safety. Shell, after Leo, has been Maccagnan's best pick and deserves a B, even though he's about to hit the bench for the immortal Ben Ijalana. I could nitpick, but in general a good assessment. Lee has great speed and can cover sideline to sideline, but plugging holes is not his thing and I can't see him ever covering tight ends, perhaps RBs out oft the backfield. Hackenberg was rated a C, but based on his reported body of work he could be a D. However with his work this spring a C may be optimistic, but not out of the question. Also Peake in the 7th round, overachieved his draft position and could see an expanded role this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Priority should be on a LT and Edge rusher IMO. Possibly CB as well depending on how Claiborne and the young guys come along and perform in 2017. But an Edge guy has really be the thing this team lacks for many years. For the amount of time, $ and draft picks spent on the Front 7 (Leo, Lee, Jenkins, Mauldin, etc.) the Jets still have no true, elite pass rusher from the outside. Mo and Leo can get pressure but they're not true speed guys. This team has no Vic Beasley, Chandler Jones, Von Miller, Joey Bosa, etc. type guy. This will be a big year for Mauldin who flashed as a rookie but couldn't handle every down duty when given the opportunity in his second year. He seems like he's destined to be a situational/rotational type OLB and career backup. Assuming the Jets end up drafting a QB early in Round 1 they'll want a veteran, "show young guys the ropes," kind of QB to come in similar to what McCown is doing this year. Either Hack or Petty will definitely be gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 11 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: Priority should be on a LT and Edge rusher IMO. Possibly CB as well depending on how Claiborne and the young guys come along and perform in 2017. But an Edge guy has really be the thing this team lacks for many years. For the amount of time, $ and draft picks spent on the Front 7 (Leo, Lee, Jenkins, Mauldin, etc.) the Jets still have no true, elite pass rusher from the outside. Mo and Leo can get pressure but they're not true speed guys. This team has no Vic Beasley, Chandler Jones, Von Miller, Joey Bosa, etc. type guy. This will be a big year for Mauldin who flashed as a rookie but couldn't handle every down duty when given the opportunity in his second year. He seems like he's destined to be a situational/rotational type OLB and career backup. Assuming the Jets end up drafting a QB early in Round 1 they'll want a veteran, "show young guys the ropes," kind of QB to come in similar to what McCown is doing this year. Either Hack or Petty will definitely be gone. This is pure fantasy. LTs, edge rushers, and CBs worth signing long-term never hit the open market in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 14 hours ago, dbatesman said: This is pure fantasy. LTs, edge rushers, and CBs worth signing long-term never hit the open market in the first place. If you're lucky you'll get a "good / great player ... when not injured" in the FA market. Like we had last year with Clady (even though that was a trade), and this year with Claiborne. Beachum has injury concerns too, but I'm not sure how good he was even when he didn't. Hoping Claiborne holds up better than Clady did. Otherwise we'll get a good long look at our young, depth guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 On 6/22/2017 at 6:10 PM, T0mShane said: His grades on the 2016 draftees are high comedy and Leonard Williams is already a Pro Bowler. Absurd that someone gets paid to write sh*t like that. If that was a new thread on here, it'd get deleted. "He got some valuable experience as the season wore on, and showed some flashes of potential, with one interception." I guess Slater didn't actually watch this #flashes play. The pass was underthrown by the same 2-3 yards by which the receiver was downfield ahead of Burris, and that's the only reason he got his one interception. If the throw was on the money it's a long TD pass: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000758102/Matt-Moore-picked-off-by-Juston-Burris. One can see the tall tales that were later told, suggesting there was coverage over and under, is nonsense. He simply got beat, and Matt Moore sucks. Of course Moore also threw 4 TDs that same game. I've seen better flashes from menopausal women. When someone takes a player at Darron Lee's non-premium position with the 20th pick in the country, with so many more important holes present on a badly overrated and old roster, it's fair to be less tolerant of a generally lousy rookie season (not to mention his being a nutbag). If he was picked 120th instead of 20th, then maybe you could give the pick a B grade. But an ILB picked that highly, I expect to be really good right away. Hopefully he improves dramatically on the field and acts sanely off it, but until he actually does, a "B" grade is ridiculous. Hackenberg a "C" so far is absurd. The only grades possible are an F or an incomplete. He spent his rookie season holding a clipboard for Bryce Petty, who held a clipboard for Geno Smith, who held a clipboard for Ryan Fitzpatrick, who belonged to be holding a clipboard. They wouldn't even use him in garbage time, when eliminated teams get freebie live action reps for young players who aren't otherwise good enough to start yet. This year he's not exactly running away with it, competing with 38 year-old Cade McNown, though it's early. If this was a "C" grade pick on April 26th, what would a "D" pick look like after 1 season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 4 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said: "He got some valuable experience as the season wore on, and showed some flashes of potential, with one interception." I guess Slater didn't actually watch this #flashes play. The pass was underthrown by the same 2-3 yards by which the receiver was downfield ahead of Burris, and that's the only reason he got his one interception. If the throw was on the money it's a long TD pass: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000758102/Matt-Moore-picked-off-by-Juston-Burris. One can see the tall tales that were later told, suggesting there was coverage over and under, is nonsense. He simply got beat, and Matt Moore sucks. Of course Moore also threw 4 TDs that same game. I've seen better flashes from menopausal women. When someone takes a player at Darron Lee's non-premium position with the 20th pick in the country, with so many more important holes present on a badly overrated and old roster, it's fair to be less tolerant of a generally lousy rookie season (not to mention his being a nutbag). If he was picked 120th instead of 20th, then maybe you could give the pick a B grade. But an ILB picked that highly, I expect to be really good right away. Hopefully he improves dramatically on the field and acts sanely off it, but until he actually does, a "B" grade is ridiculous. Hackenberg a "C" so far is absurd. The only grades possible are an F or an incomplete. He spent his rookie season holding a clipboard for Bryce Petty, who held a clipboard for Geno Smith, who held a clipboard for Ryan Fitzpatrick, who belonged to be holding a clipboard. They wouldn't even use him in garbage time, when eliminated teams get freebie live action reps for young players who aren't otherwise good enough to start yet. This year he's not exactly running away with it, competing with 38 year-old Cade McNown, though it's early. If this was a "C" grade pick on April 26th, what would a "D" pick look like after 1 season? Why not just give Hack an A? A+? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 8 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said: "He got some valuable experience as the season wore on, and showed some flashes of potential, with one interception." I guess Slater didn't actually watch this #flashes play. The pass was underthrown by the same 2-3 yards by which the receiver was downfield ahead of Burris, and that's the only reason he got his one interception. If the throw was on the money it's a long TD pass: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000758102/Matt-Moore-picked-off-by-Juston-Burris. One can see the tall tales that were later told, suggesting there was coverage over and under, is nonsense. He simply got beat, and Matt Moore sucks. Of course Moore also threw 4 TDs that same game. I've seen better flashes from menopausal women. When someone takes a player at Darron Lee's non-premium position with the 20th pick in the country, with so many more important holes present on a badly overrated and old roster, it's fair to be less tolerant of a generally lousy rookie season (not to mention his being a nutbag). If he was picked 120th instead of 20th, then maybe you could give the pick a B grade. But an ILB picked that highly, I expect to be really good right away. Hopefully he improves dramatically on the field and acts sanely off it, but until he actually does, a "B" grade is ridiculous. Hackenberg a "C" so far is absurd. The only grades possible are an F or an incomplete. He spent his rookie season holding a clipboard for Bryce Petty, who held a clipboard for Geno Smith, who held a clipboard for Ryan Fitzpatrick, who belonged to be holding a clipboard. They wouldn't even use him in garbage time, when eliminated teams get freebie live action reps for young players who aren't otherwise good enough to start yet. This year he's not exactly running away with it, competing with 38 year-old Cade McNown, though it's early. If this was a "C" grade pick on April 26th, what would a "D" pick look like after 1 season? That is the definition of a lazy "article" written by a blogger while watching repeats of Breaking Bad while his ramen cooled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 9 minutes ago, T0mShane said: That is the definition of a lazy "article" written by a blogger while watching repeats of Breaking Bad while his ramen cooled Plus the dirty secret of reality no one wants to admit about the A+ pick, because we all truly love having Leo on the team. Namely, that with competent coaching leadership Leo isn't close to being a #6 overall pick value upgrade over Mo or Sheldon because they're already so talented and young, in terms of improving the overall starting lineup. We either needed to get a 1st round pick in return for trading one of those two, which was never reality, or we needed to draft a position where the upgrade was far more magnified (e.g. pony up the ransom to move up for Mariota, draft Beasley, or trade down and accumulate needed extra picks). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raideraholic Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 On June 21, 2017 at 9:19 AM, Jetsfan80 said: Currently scheduled to hit free agency (UFA) in 2018 include the following: OLB Aldon Smith Aldon Smith if reinstated by the league , won't be a free agent till two years after that. He still has two year contract with the Raiders that doesn't start till he's re-instated. It's immaterial as who knows if he will ever be re-instated by the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 If Jets were a public company, its stock would trade below cash value because investors would have no confidence that the money would be spent wisely in a way that increases the value of the enterprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 On 2017-06-21 at 0:33 AM, thadude said: Right now the average is less than one quality player per draft Do you make this stuff up as you go along, or do you work on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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