Chan Chan was a MEAN man. Ex-Jet Kerley criticizes Chan Gailey

[Joe Jets fan]

3 hours ago, Dcat said:

the performance of the offense in 2015 in no way excuses Gailey from completely ignoring Hackenberg's development in 2016. Not saying he should have been the starter or anything, but no work at all?  Come on. That's abnormal and it's not on Hack.  It's on Gailey and Bowles.

I agree with this 100%.   I was not saying Chan did not let this team down and go stupid things.  I am glad he gone

 

but 2015 was a great offense.  That can't be denied 

[j4jets]

5 hours ago, KRL said:

Granted 2016 stunk but Jet fans are embarrassing themselves if they are going to criticize Gailey and the

offense of 2015.  Did you even watch any games???  They were a top 10 offense with Fitzpatrick at QB,

if you don't think that was an accomplishment you are beyond clueless

Accomplishment? Same team next year and they laid a big fat egg. Maybe it's the fact we faced one of the easiest schedule with some atrocious Ds. The word aberration comes to mind. Not accomplishment. 

[long suffering jets fan]

5 hours ago, slats said:

Gailey liked big receivers, which is probably a good strategy when your QBs are as bad as the Jets' have been for nearly forever. 

Agreed!  I guess Edelman, Amendola, Gronkowski and Bennett would have no place in Gailey's offense.  Amazing!

[long suffering jets fan]

Just now, j4jets said:

Accomplishment? Same team next year and they laid a big fat egg. Maybe it's the fact we faced one of the easiest schedule with some atrocious Ds. The word aberration comes to mind. Not accomplishment. 

It was the tougher schedule, some injuries and alot of bad execution all around, but especially on defense.

[long suffering jets fan]

2 hours ago, slats said:

Carrying four QBs was dumb and proved useless. I never would've resigned Fitz but, once they did, they had to cut Geno and give the kids important reps in practice. 

That's fine in 20/20 hindsight, but Fitz got us one win away from the playoffs and threw more TD than any Jet ever, so I can't blame them.  And Geno wasn't cut till this year.  He was 2nd string all year, but didn't last very long when he got in there.  We would have had to pick up another QB anyway with Fitz, Geno and Petty missing multiple games.

[long suffering jets fan]

3 hours ago, jetscrazey said:

Mornhenweig knew how to use Kerley, which is why in 2013 (with Geno as a rookie), the Jets went 8-4 with Kerley in the lineup and 0-4 without him.  Gailey made no effort to integrate Kerley even though he had some skill.

That's the stat I was looking for.  You wonder if Gailey knew that, or even cared. 

[sirlancemehlot]

Jace Amaro was written off way too early as well.  

[j4jets]

6 minutes ago, sirlancemehlot said:

Jace Amaro was written off way too early as well.  

Don't worry, Jeff cumberland will be signed soon. 

[Bugg]

As to those defending the Gailey hire; simply his idea about offense is feckin' poison. You have to pass effectively to win. He still believes you have to run between the tackles to establish the run or some such nonsense. If the NFL employed a "Moneyball" type analysis of how you win(and teams do), would show winning teams pass the ball effectively and don't get too worried about running the ball except to keep the defense honest and off your pace and late in the game to run clock.  What Gailey does is the old school coaches doing what they have always done instead of adjusting. And once Fitzerception regressed to his mean, we saw what Gailey was all about. And if you are going to run the ball right up the middle, then you hand onto Chris Ivory and don't ask a speed back like Forte to get crushed up the middle. 

Again, the NFL and college coaching ranks are filled with young go getters looking for this kind of job to show they can get a passing offense going. Bowles instead of doing his homework and getting such a guy instead brings in a guy who was out of football and out of the loop. And never told this guy to change it up nor play the young QBs when it went bad. And that's what happens when you hire a coach who only cares about 1 side of the ball. 

That anyone would point to Fitzerception's 15.5 games as some measure of success show you how beat down this fan base is; oh, we didn't suck against the soft schedule . Good for you. You are better fans who are happy with an annual  sheet sandwich. What a goddamn embarrassment that is. How the hell do you expect to win with some old bastard funding his IRA and pay his DelBocca Vista Phase II greens fees instead of looking to kick some ass. That the owner didn't freak the f___ out when Gailey was hired is a disgrace. 

[jeremy2020]

5 hours ago, phill1c said:

Excuses for what? He's barely played a down in the NFL in his first two seasons, like MOST QBs. Does Discount Double check need excuses? Tom Brady? Joe Hostetler?

He was bad in college. Not good enough to play a down in the NFL. His preseason performance was a disaster. Yet, here we are with people saying none of that matters and hack is destined for greatness based....on the very fact that he hasn't played a down in the NFL. This is an insane bending of logic. This isn't Schrödinger's cat where because he hasn't played a down in the NFL that it's a 50/50% chance that he's great. 

[thadude]

4 hours ago, long suffering jets fan said:

Just a few years ago Kerley was an essential component for the Jets, then Chan comes in and he has other ideas.  I guess we know how that worked out.

Just silliness 

[thadude]

4 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

He was bad in college. Not good enough to play a down in the NFL. His preseason performance was a disaster. Yet, here we are with people saying none of that matters and hack is destined for greatness based....on the very fact that he hasn't played a down in the NFL. This is an insane bending of logic. This isn't Schrödinger's cat where because he hasn't played a down in the NFL that it's a 50/50% chance that he's great. 

Hack = Brady

[win4ever]

33 minutes ago, Bugg said:

As to those defending the Gailey hire; simply his idea about offense is feckin' poison. You have to pass effectively to win. He still believes you have to run between the tackles to establish the run or some such nonsense. If the NFL employed a "Moneyball" type analysis of how you win(and teams do), would show winning teams pass the ball effectively and don't get too worried about running the ball except to keep the defense honest and off your pace and late in the game to run clock.  What Gailey does is the old school coaches doing what they have always done instead of adjusting. And once Fitzerception regressed to his mean, we saw what Gailey was all about. And if you are going to run the ball right up the middle, then you hand onto Chris Ivory and don't ask a speed back like Forte to get crushed up the middle. 

Again, the NFL and college coaching ranks are filled with young go getters looking for this kind of job to show they can get a passing offense going. Bowles instead of doing his homework and getting such a guy instead brings in a guy who was out of football and out of the loop. And never told this guy to change it up nor play the young QBs when it went bad. And that's what happens when you hire a coach who only cares about 1 side of the ball. 

That anyone would point to Fitzerception's 15.5 games as some measure of success show you how beat down this fan base is; oh, we didn't suck against the soft schedule . Good for you. You are better fans who are happy with an annual  sheet sandwich. What a goddamn embarrassment that is. How the hell do you expect to win with some old bastard funding his IRA and pay his DelBocca Vista Phase II greens fees instead of looking to kick some ass. That the owner didn't freak the f___ out when Gailey was hired is a disgrace. 

I'm going to disagree with you here.  

I don't think Chan's offense was old school at all, it had a major problem with talent.  If you look at pass percentages in the last two years, we've had similar percentages to say Atlanta the last two years.  We passed more than New England last year.  Similar to Pittsburgh, and about a percent off from some team like the Colts.  Yes, there are teams that pass the ball way more than run, and are successful, but those teams usually have a Rodgers, Stafford, or Brees at the helm.  Other teams like the Browns/Rams passed way more than us, and it's not like they developed any level of success either.  

The system is simple, and what a lot of the aforementioned college teams use the same principle as well.  You spread the field horizontally to weaken the defense vertically.  It's simple trigonometry on that aspect.  To apply it to football, you need the right tools, which is why far more often you will see a running QB with a strong arm be the center of a spread offense in college.  Someone like Cardale Jones, Geno Smith, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, are seen thriving in college because the system is hard to defend.  When teams are spread out, they can't play as much zone defense because the zones are too large at times.  They can play more zone near the end zone because the field is shorter, which is why you see spread teams rack up huge yards but aren't putting up astronomical TD numbers in the red zone.  Once zone is reduced, it now depends on one on one match ups and these teams recruit their guys to be pure athletes that can beat defenders on one on one match ups.  The offense also has the advantage in knowing the play beforehand (unless you are a Patriot defender- then you know as well) so a match up of just evenly talented players favors the offense.  Therefore, the defense now has to pick and choose their strong points and weak points.  If they keep the safeties back, then running lanes can be opened (also why you see a lot of run-pass option plays in spread) leading to safe yards.  If the safeties come forward, the deep side of the field is open.  If you watch Baylor's offense in the past few years (I'm not sure what they are going to run going forward), you notice something that we saw in Petty last year.  Single high safety look is an open invitation to throw the deep go route on the outside, which was why we saw so many deep passes to Anderson last year once Petty became the starter.  Once those deep passes took root, we also saw the running game open up because teams can't defend the run and the deep pass at the same time in a spread offense.  In theory, Gaiely's offense was just fine.

Unfortunately, it's not a theoretical world and we were stuck with Fitzpatrick.  When Fitz was doing good against bad defenses in 2015, those teams were playing more man coverage as the spread offense dictates.  We had two guys (Marshall-Decker) that could win one on one coverage, and a good running back in Ivory who could break one on one tackles.  We saw a high amount of back shoulder passes from Fitz as well because it's almost impossible to defend that pass in press cover for a corner unless he's far superior athletically to the receiver.  Fitz can't beat people with his arm because it's just not strong enough, thus he's a bad fit when teams start dropping players into zone.  

Even in 2015, when we faced the Eagles, they routinely rushed 3-4 guys and then dropped everyone else into coverage.  The secondary playing the middle routes, and the linebackers playing the intermediate routes and we struggled.  This is where a running QB is vital, and we saw Fitz run more as the season moved on, because it's a numbers game with the blockers.  Last year, we saw Fitz light it up with a traditionally man coverage defense from Rex Ryan, and then get destroyed by zone cover with the Seahawks and Chiefs.  With someone like Fitzpatrick, the natural aversion to zone coverage against spread is negated due to the lack of velocity in Fitz's arm, and his windup.  The secondary can recover before the ball reaches the receiver.  

The team was much better off with Chan and Geno in 2015, but a lot of immature fans cheered IK when everything went down, not realizing that they were missing out on an opportunity to see if they actually had a QB of the future.  Geno was a much better fit for the system Gailey was running, which was why he deemed him the starter when first asked.  I put the blame more on Todd Bowles for not benching Fitzpatrick after the hot start than Gailey that year.  

Gailey's system, much like any spread quick paced system we see in college, works primarily of one on one match ups.  It's why most spread systems get shut down by teams with superior talent on defense like Alabama because those one on one match ups aren't being won by the offense.  Once Fitz became the starter, the system was doomed, because he doesn't have the tools to actually execute the system.

If you want to be angry, I think the hatred should go more towards Bowles, who lacked locker room control to such an extent that a fringe roster player decided to punch out the starting QB, stars routinely missed meetings, you starting QB blasted you to the media for benching him while he was on a historically bad season run, and the roster had to be purged to get rid of locker room cancers.  

As for Kerley, I'm not too worried.  Their man starters were Marshall, Decker. Enunwa, with Kerley fighting with Devin Smith and Kenbrell Thompkins as the backups.  I wouldn't sacrifice Marshall, Decker, Enunwa or even Smith at that point to give Kerley more options.  

 

[Villain The Foe]

Hard for me to give this legs. Some immediately use this as an opportunity to question Bowles acumen, but in 2015 no one had a problem with the WR situation when we had the #1 WR duo in the league with the most yards and the WR with the most TD's on the season and a top 10 offense. 

Quincy's arguably the best player on offense. 

 

Thanks Idzik!

[rangerous]

8 hours ago, Bugg said:

The run up the middle/run up the middle/3rd and 8 incomplete pass offense was more of a problem than his personality. Gailey's hiring bespoke a coach who didn't know anything about offense other than he didn't want to turn the ball over. So he farmed it out to an old guy; how f__ing stupid was that? Gailey is a relic; running up the middle vs. 300+ DLs who move like cats is pointless. But to Gailey the NFL is still some 1975 establish the run BS. Guy might have looked  okay over 15.5 games of Fizterception having a career season, but the offensive philosophy was crap. And not finding out in 2016 if either Hack or Petty could pass effectively was dereliction by everyone involved. He was looking for a final payday before calling it a career. Bowles could've scoured NFL and college ranks for a dynamic passing offense guy. But defense first Bowles was too lazy to take a serious interest in his most important hire.Heck, the fact that Gailey may have been angry enough to yell at anyone is surprising because more often than not looked like nobody cared about scoring on offense. What did he yell about; telling people to get off of his goddamn lawn? 

gailey had his day and way past when he joined the jets.  i get the impression he just stopped caring last season and let the fitz posse run the offense. as much as it was strange when bowles basically cleaned house of the assistants maybe they di have it coming.

[Bugg]

26 minutes ago, win4ever said:

I'm going to disagree with you here.  

I don't think Chan's offense was old school at all, it had a major problem with talent.  If you look at pass percentages in the last two years, we've had similar percentages to say Atlanta the last two years.  We passed more than New England last year.  Similar to Pittsburgh, and about a percent off from some team like the Colts.  Yes, there are teams that pass the ball way more than run, and are successful, but those teams usually have a Rodgers, Stafford, or Brees at the helm.  Other teams like the Browns/Rams passed way more than us, and it's not like they developed any level of success either.  

The system is simple, and what a lot of the aforementioned college teams use the same principle as well.  You spread the field horizontally to weaken the defense vertically.  It's simple trigonometry on that aspect.  To apply it to football, you need the right tools, which is why far more often you will see a running QB with a strong arm be the center of a spread offense in college.  Someone like Cardale Jones, Geno Smith, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, are seen thriving in college because the system is hard to defend.  When teams are spread out, they can't play as much zone defense because the zones are too large at times.  They can play more zone near the end zone because the field is shorter, which is why you see spread teams rack up huge yards but aren't putting up astronomical TD numbers in the red zone.  Once zone is reduced, it now depends on one on one match ups and these teams recruit their guys to be pure athletes that can beat defenders on one on one match ups.  The offense also has the advantage in knowing the play beforehand (unless you are a Patriot defender- then you know as well) so a match up of just evenly talented players favors the offense.  Therefore, the defense now has to pick and choose their strong points and weak points.  If they keep the safeties back, then running lanes can be opened (also why you see a lot of run-pass option plays in spread) leading to safe yards.  If the safeties come forward, the deep side of the field is open.  If you watch Baylor's offense in the past few years (I'm not sure what they are going to run going forward), you notice something that we saw in Petty last year.  Single high safety look is an open invitation to throw the deep go route on the outside, which was why we saw so many deep passes to Anderson last year once Petty became the starter.  Once those deep passes took root, we also saw the running game open up because teams can't defend the run and the deep pass at the same time in a spread offense.  In theory, Gaiely's offense was just fine.

Unfortunately, it's not a theoretical world and we were stuck with Fitzpatrick.  When Fitz was doing good against bad defenses in 2015, those teams were playing more man coverage as the spread offense dictates.  We had two guys (Marshall-Decker) that could win one on one coverage, and a good running back in Ivory who could break one on one tackles.  We saw a high amount of back shoulder passes from Fitz as well because it's almost impossible to defend that pass in press cover for a corner unless he's far superior athletically to the receiver.  Fitz can't beat people with his arm because it's just not strong enough, thus he's a bad fit when teams start dropping players into zone.  

Even in 2015, when we faced the Eagles, they routinely rushed 3-4 guys and then dropped everyone else into coverage.  The secondary playing the middle routes, and the linebackers playing the intermediate routes and we struggled.  This is where a running QB is vital, and we saw Fitz run more as the season moved on, because it's a numbers game with the blockers.  Last year, we saw Fitz light it up with a traditionally man coverage defense from Rex Ryan, and then get destroyed by zone cover with the Seahawks and Chiefs.  With someone like Fitzpatrick, the natural aversion to zone coverage against spread is negated due to the lack of velocity in Fitz's arm, and his windup.  The secondary can recover before the ball reaches the receiver.  

The team was much better off with Chan and Geno in 2015, but a lot of immature fans cheered IK when everything went down, not realizing that they were missing out on an opportunity to see if they actually had a QB of the future.  Geno was a much better fit for the system Gailey was running, which was why he deemed him the starter when first asked.  I put the blame more on Todd Bowles for not benching Fitzpatrick after the hot start than Gailey that year.  

Gailey's system, much like any spread quick paced system we see in college, works primarily of one on one match ups.  It's why most spread systems get shut down by teams with superior talent on defense like Alabama because those one on one match ups aren't being won by the offense.  Once Fitz became the starter, the system was doomed, because he doesn't have the tools to actually execute the system.

If you want to be angry, I think the hatred should go more towards Bowles, who lacked locker room control to such an extent that a fringe roster player decided to punch out the starting QB, stars routinely missed meetings, you starting QB blasted you to the media for benching him while he was on a historically bad season run, and the roster had to be purged to get rid of locker room cancers.  

As for Kerley, I'm not too worried.  Their man starters were Marshall, Decker. Enunwa, with Kerley fighting with Devin Smith and Kenbrell Thompkins as the backups.  I wouldn't sacrifice Marshall, Decker, Enunwa or even Smith at that point to give Kerley more options.  

 

Suspect we passed more not because it was part of any plan but because the Jets were behind most games in the 2nd half. Perfect example; Rams game, when they apparently were scared to death to see if Petty could throw a pass. When they fell behind, then they forcefed passes. If the only time you throw upfield is when you have to, pretty easy to defense. it was typical scared pussified establish the run Chan Gailey braindead gameplan. Jeff Fisher despite winning the game got fired after that horror show. The season was over, and this guy was still too scared to simply run Hack and Petty out there and see if they could figure it out. You have to attack downfield to win. if you do not, defenses cheat up, be it zone or man, doesn't really matter. Not saying you have to throw 45 posts every game, but bubble screens and dumpoffs and hitting backs 2 yards in the flat are not going to beat anyone. Also for that the entire time Gailey was here there wasn't any use of TEs despite the fact the Jets' defense got lit up  every TE they played. Know Amaro crapped out, but inexcusable they didn't have anyone else. 

[rangerous]

4 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Actually its pretty simple.  We had 4 QBs, two were developmental, there was no time to develop Hack during the regular season.  As was the Jets plan from the time he was drafted.  The plan was somebody goes, Petty gets to move up a spot and Hacks development starts.  The excuses were made by fans who just done get it.  Not the coaches, GM or Hack.  

right.  even though people were clamoring for hack last season the reality is he could've come in and been the second coming of joe willie and it still wouldn't have mattered.  there may an argument that putting hack in would've given him some game experience but for what? so he could get clobbered when the defense goes jailbreak? it all sounds good but it seems that he's progressing just nicely.

[Mogglez]

8 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

Eh, this is a two-way street. Chan might be one of those guys that gives respect when it's earned, while Kerley might be one of those guys that expects respect before he earns it. 

At least Chan never cried about it to anyone. Kerley is crying about it still 2-3 years later.

This was the only game where Chan "featured" Kerley in 2015:

Then Enunwa started getting worked in and Kerley was cast aside.  Probably because he was the JAGiest of JAGs.

There was plenty to criticize Gailey for in 2016 but 2015 was the best offense we've seen since the Vinny years and no one was complaining about how we were deploying our Wide Receivers.  This thread is full of revisionist history.

[thadude]

35 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Then Enunwa started getting worked in and Kerley was cast aside.  Probably because he was the JAGiest of JAGs.

Kerley was a productive WR playing here with some of the worst QB's in the NFL.  Him and Decker both played slot for obvious reasons they preferred Decker but they should not have cut him.  

 

Last season Kerley had 64 catches for 664 yards playing with JAG Colin Kaepernick and ROBOJAG Blaine Gabbert.

[thadude]

1 hour ago, Bugg said:

Suspect we passed more not because it was part of any plan but because the Jets were behind most games in the 2nd half. Perfect example; Rams game, when they apparently were scared to death to see if Petty could throw a pass. When they fell behind, then they forcefed passes. If the only time you throw upfield is when you have to, pretty easy to defense. it was typical scared pussified establish the run Chan Gailey braindead gameplan. Jeff Fisher despite winning the game got fired after that horror show. The season was over, and this guy was still too scared to simply run Hack and Petty out there and see if they could figure it out. You have to attack downfield to win. if you do not, defenses cheat up, be it zone or man, doesn't really matter. Not saying you have to throw 45 posts every game, but bubble screens and dumpoffs and hitting backs 2 yards in the flat are not going to beat anyone. Also for that the entire time Gailey was here there wasn't any use of TEs despite the fact the Jets' defense got lit up  every TE they played. Know Amaro crapped out, but inexcusable they didn't have anyone else. 

I understood Gailey's logic having an ultra-aggressive spread offense.  Fitz was a total JAG even in his "good" season in 2015.  One way to compensate for having a totally mediocre QB is to go 4 and 5 wide constantly so a Marshall or a Decker would get man to man and then Fitz could just throw a jump ball.

 

 

[Mogglez]

1 hour ago, thadude said:

Kerley was a productive WR playing here with some of the worst QB's in the NFL.  Him and Decker both played slot for obvious reasons they preferred Decker but they should not have cut him.  

 

Last season Kerley had 64 catches for 664 yards playing with JAG Colin Kaepernick and ROBOJAG Blaine Gabbert.

I get that.  Look, I liked Kerley.  He was a solid 5th round pick and a decent slot WR.  Ultimately, his situation was all about system, scheme, and fit.  It was never about Kerley vs Decker, it was Kerley vs Enunwa.  The fit was better with Quincy and his upside is also MUCH higher.  We're not a worse team without Kerley and we wouldn't be any better with him.

[win4ever]

2 hours ago, Bugg said:

Suspect we passed more not because it was part of any plan but because the Jets were behind most games in the 2nd half. Perfect example; Rams game, when they apparently were scared to death to see if Petty could throw a pass. When they fell behind, then they forcefed passes. If the only time you throw upfield is when you have to, pretty easy to defense. it was typical scared pussified establish the run Chan Gailey braindead gameplan. Jeff Fisher despite winning the game got fired after that horror show. The season was over, and this guy was still too scared to simply run Hack and Petty out there and see if they could figure it out. You have to attack downfield to win. if you do not, defenses cheat up, be it zone or man, doesn't really matter. Not saying you have to throw 45 posts every game, but bubble screens and dumpoffs and hitting backs 2 yards in the flat are not going to beat anyone. Also for that the entire time Gailey was here there wasn't any use of TEs despite the fact the Jets' defense got lit up  every TE they played. Know Amaro crapped out, but inexcusable they didn't have anyone else. 

Well it could make sense last year, but the averages were pretty similar the year before too though, when we were actually doing good.  That was a game where they did play conservatively, but that's a good passing defense that they were facing and it was hard to attack the defense, especially when they had protection issues.  Against, Indy in the second half, they aired it out quite often and it didn't lead to much either because you have to be balanced in the league.  

The lack of TE use is more on roster construction because Amaro hasn't done anything, anywhere else.  Kellen Davis was useless.  Jeff Cumberland hasn't done anything anywhere else either.   They ended up using Enunwa almost as a TE because the Jets just didn't feature a good TE.  They tried with ASJ near the end of last year, and it wasn't horrible as he did put up some numbers, albeit nothing great.  

Not running Petty or Hack out there still falls under Bowles.  I have no idea why they stuck with Fitz for so long, especially since Geno was also on the team.  Once the season was all but done, they was no reason to even have Fitz on the roster.  Part of Petty's troubles last year can be attributed to the offensive line as well, because it had become a patchwork unit by the time he was in.  By the end of the season, Decker was hurt, Marshall had checked out, and we were running on fumes so I'm not even sure how well we can look at the game play.  

I think the bigger issue was roster management than offensive system.  Once Fitzpatrick was the starter, pretty much any system was out the window.  

[Sperm Edwards]

3 hours ago, win4ever said:

Well it could make sense last year, but the averages were pretty similar the year before too though, when we were actually doing good.  That was a game where they did play conservatively, but that's a good passing defense that they were facing and it was hard to attack the defense, especially when they had protection issues.  Against, Indy in the second half, they aired it out quite often and it didn't lead to much either because you have to be balanced in the league.  

The lack of TE use is more on roster construction because Amaro hasn't done anything, anywhere else.  Kellen Davis was useless.  Jeff Cumberland hasn't done anything anywhere else either.   They ended up using Enunwa almost as a TE because the Jets just didn't feature a good TE.  They tried with ASJ near the end of last year, and it wasn't horrible as he did put up some numbers, albeit nothing great.  

Not running Petty or Hack out there still falls under Bowles.  I have no idea why they stuck with Fitz for so long, especially since Geno was also on the team.  Once the season was all but done, they was no reason to even have Fitz on the roster.  Part of Petty's troubles last year can be attributed to the offensive line as well, because it had become a patchwork unit by the time he was in.  By the end of the season, Decker was hurt, Marshall had checked out, and we were running on fumes so I'm not even sure how well we can look at the game play.  

I think the bigger issue was roster management than offensive system.  Once Fitzpatrick was the starter, pretty much any system was out the window.  

You did enough detailed film breakdowns on JN to show no shortage of open targets, by play design, and the genius QB never saw them because he had such tunnel vision for Marshall, stared down open receivers into covered ones, or just made poor throws that even our talented receivers couldn't overcome.

Just an atrocious QB. 

[jgb]

the excuses for hackenberg never end. His college coach, his line, his receivers, gailey, the woman who made his sandwich before his 1st day of school! Thankfully, with them all out of the way we are set to see him shine!

Saw same with Geno until absolutely proven to all observers that he sucked he had defenders until the end. And the only way the last holdouts would be satisfied is if we built the 2011 patriots around him and saw how he did.


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[slats]

17 hours ago, long suffering jets fan said:

That's fine in 20/20 hindsight, but Fitz got us one win away from the playoffs and threw more TD than any Jet ever, so I can't blame them.  And Geno wasn't cut till this year.  He was 2nd string all year, but didn't last very long when he got in there.  We would have had to pick up another QB anyway with Fitz, Geno and Petty missing multiple games.

Hindsight just proves what I was saying in real time this time last year. Fitz was not good. He was constantly bailed out by Marshall and Decker against the easiest schedule in the league. People were wowed by numbers, but his clearly fell under the heading, "lies, damn lies, and statistics." 

Once he was foolishly signed, holding onto Geno was dumb. Petty should've been getting all of the second team reps, and Hackenberg all of the scout team reps. Having your two developmental QBs splitting scout reps is basically not developing them at all. Fitz wasn't the future, Geno even more clearly wasn't, but maybe Petty or Hack was. That needed to be a focus. 

[Dunnie]

Rich Cimini ESPN Staff Writer 

Former Jets WR Jeremy Kerley, whose playing time mysteriously vanished in 2015, blamed a bad relationship with then-OC Chan Gailey. "Chan was just one of those type of guys that has his mind set up before he sees whoever's there," Kerley told Alex Marvez and Phil Savage on SiriusXM NFL Radio. "2015 was by far my worst year in the league. I absolutely hated the NFL. I wasn't getting any playing time at receiver. I was just strictly punt return. Me and Chan Gailey were always … We didn't see eye-to-eye. I didn't have a lot of respect for him. It was probably the same for him."

 

 

 

So Kerley claims he was written off from the beginning by Gailey. 

 

Kerley comes off as a punk in this article. Gaily is respected as an offensive mind ... for a punk receiver to say 'i didn't respect him and he didn't respect me' just rubs the wrong way. Just because you don't agree with someone doesn't mean lose respect for them. And you certainly don't disparage them publicly.


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I can't believe this subject garners 3+ pages

[detectivekimble]

On June 23, 2017 at 11:01 AM, jetscrazey said:

Anyone who watched the games could see exactly this.  Kerley isn't a prototypical starting #1/#2 WR, but he's got ability in the right offense.  Gailey just saw Marshall and Decker and wrote Kerley off from day 1.

It was Enunwa who took Kerley's playing time.  The Jets saw more potential in Enunwa and wanted to develop him.  The plan actually worked.

[win4ever]

17 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

You did enough detailed film breakdowns on JN to show no shortage of open targets, by play design, and the genius QB never saw them because he had such tunnel vision for Marshall, stared down open receivers into covered ones, or just made poor throws that even our talented receivers couldn't overcome.

Just an atrocious QB. 

Lol, those breakdowns.  So I usually write them at night since it takes about 2-3 hours to do it, and I'd rather do it after everything is done, and just set it to publish in the morning.  After 2 of those games (KC and Seattle) I actually had trouble going to sleep afterwards because I was just so upset at missed opportunities left and right.  I think even the Seattle blogger made a video about how Marshall was beating Sherman in that match up on his You tube channel.  My wife doesn't really follow football much, although she's trying, and even she hates Fitz because I get pissed off every time I see him play. 

I still don't get how Fitzpatrick even gets employment honestly.  I don't think I've seen a QB that just sticks to his first read, throws into double coverage consistently, and be so talent-less at the same time.  Someone like Brett Hundley or Paxton Lynch throwing into double coverage is different because you can write that off as inexperience, inability to go through progressions, and have rocket arms so they have a gunslinger mentality.  Fitz is an old veteran who has a weak arm, who should have learned by now, but it's just not the case.  He even does a ball tap on throws beyond 10 yards, where he has to tap the ball first before unloading it, causing even more delay in his windup.  It's not even that he faced an easy schedule the year before, he faced the easy schedule with a motivated Marshall, a healthy Decker, an emerging Enunwa, and I think the AFC's leading rusher as well.  I'm not sure I can name 5 other combinations that year, that could be better.  

[Jet Nut]

On 6/23/2017 at 6:06 PM, jeremy2020 said:

He was bad in college. Not good enough to play a down in the NFL. His preseason performance was a disaster. Yet, here we are with people saying none of that matters and hack is destined for greatness based....on the very fact that he hasn't played a down in the NFL. This is an insane bending of logic. This isn't Schrödinger's cat where because he hasn't played a down in the NFL that it's a 50/50% chance that he's great. 

Hack wasnt good enough to play?

Another silly comment by another confused Jet fan

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I would love to see Chan Gaily versus Mike Westoff in an oatmeal eating competition


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On 6/23/2017 at 10:04 PM, win4ever said:

Well it could make sense last year, but the averages were pretty similar the year before too though, when we were actually doing good.  That was a game where they did play conservatively, but that's a good passing defense that they were facing and it was hard to attack the defense, especially when they had protection issues.  Against, Indy in the second half, they aired it out quite often and it didn't lead to much either because you have to be balanced in the league.  

The lack of TE use is more on roster construction because Amaro hasn't done anything, anywhere else.  Kellen Davis was useless.  Jeff Cumberland hasn't done anything anywhere else either.   They ended up using Enunwa almost as a TE because the Jets just didn't feature a good TE.  They tried with ASJ near the end of last year, and it wasn't horrible as he did put up some numbers, albeit nothing great.  

Not running Petty or Hack out there still falls under Bowles.  I have no idea why they stuck with Fitz for so long, especially since Geno was also on the team.  Once the season was all but done, they was no reason to even have Fitz on the roster.  Part of Petty's troubles last year can be attributed to the offensive line as well, because it had become a patchwork unit by the time he was in.  By the end of the season, Decker was hurt, Marshall had checked out, and we were running on fumes so I'm not even sure how well we can look at the game play.  

I think the bigger issue was roster management than offensive system.  Once Fitzpatrick was the starter, pretty much any system was out the window.  

Thank you just one game highlights just how bad Fitz was last year and his play dragged down the whole team....

Remember this?

See excerpts from this article....

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-ryan-fitzpatrick-just-earned-the-lowest-pff-grade-weve-ever-given-a-qb/

The disaster in week 3 against the Kansas City Chiefs....

"That earned Fitz a PFF grade of 21.4, a catastrophic score that isn’t just the worst single-game grade of the season, but is the worst single-game grade we have ever seen from a QB over the past decade of grading.

To put it in even harsher perspective: PFF has graded 2,717 games of NFL regular and postseason play, and Fitzpatrick just posted the worst single-game performance we have ever seen.

By our system it was worse than the Peyton Manning dumpster fire from a year ago against the Chiefs that saw him benched after four interceptions for his own sake. It was worse than any game Jamarcus Russell managed, or the trainwreck performance Josh Freeman had for the Vikings that seemed to have effectively ended his NFL career.

Check out the full list of the worst-ever QB performances below:

What’s truly remarkable about Fitzpatrick’s performance is that it wasn’t a product of overwhelming pressure. Fitzpatrick was pressured on just 10 of 47 dropbacks, which was one of the lowest rates in the league this week. Only the Broncos’ Trevor Siemian and the Giants’ Eli Manning were pressured less often than the 21.3 percent of dropbacks that Fitzpatrick felt heat on, and he was actually a little better when he was pressured than when he was just allowed to implode all by his own from a clean pocket.

This is one of those performances where all of the numbers speak for themselves — and all of them are entirely damning.

When under no pressure at all, Fitzpatrick had a passer rating of 10.5, and completed 40 percent of his passes. He completed as many passes to Kansas City defenders as he did to his own receivers on balls that traveled 10 or more yards downfield.

You may never see a bigger QB implosion than Fitzpatrick had on Sunday against the Chiefs, and as things stand currently, it was the worst QB performance PFF has ever seen in a decade of grading."

 

It is simple...... 

When you have QB play this poor YOU CAN'T WIN!!!

[Larz]

The team knew Gailey was retiring in 2 years and the team knew he wasn't bothering to develop the young talent

its just so ******* mind blowing on every level

[jetscrazey]

18 hours ago, detectivekimble said:

It was Enunwa who took Kerley's playing time.  The Jets saw more potential in Enunwa and wanted to develop him.  The plan actually worked.

Gailey became enamored with the idea of using Enunwa as a TE/WR hybrid to try to get mismatches with linebackers/safeties.  And look, I'm not saying it didn't work, the offense had a great year by usual standards.  But there were also long stretches in the midseason where the offense went stale where Kerley might have been able to contribute too.  He proved in 2013/2014 that he had some skill.

[win4ever]

6 hours ago, Charlie Brown said:

Thank you just one game highlights just how bad Fitz was last year and his play dragged down the whole team....

Remember this?

See excerpts from this article....

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-ryan-fitzpatrick-just-earned-the-lowest-pff-grade-weve-ever-given-a-qb/

The disaster in week 3 against the Kansas City Chiefs....

"That earned Fitz a PFF grade of 21.4, a catastrophic score that isn’t just the worst single-game grade of the season, but is the worst single-game grade we have ever seen from a QB over the past decade of grading.

To put it in even harsher perspective: PFF has graded 2,717 games of NFL regular and postseason play, and Fitzpatrick just posted the worst single-game performance we have ever seen.

By our system it was worse than the Peyton Manning dumpster fire from a year ago against the Chiefs that saw him benched after four interceptions for his own sake. It was worse than any game Jamarcus Russell managed, or the trainwreck performance Josh Freeman had for the Vikings that seemed to have effectively ended his NFL career.

Check out the full list of the worst-ever QB performances below:

What’s truly remarkable about Fitzpatrick’s performance is that it wasn’t a product of overwhelming pressure. Fitzpatrick was pressured on just 10 of 47 dropbacks, which was one of the lowest rates in the league this week. Only the Broncos’ Trevor Siemian and the Giants’ Eli Manning were pressured less often than the 21.3 percent of dropbacks that Fitzpatrick felt heat on, and he was actually a little better when he was pressured than when he was just allowed to implode all by his own from a clean pocket.

This is one of those performances where all of the numbers speak for themselves — and all of them are entirely damning.

When under no pressure at all, Fitzpatrick had a passer rating of 10.5, and completed 40 percent of his passes. He completed as many passes to Kansas City defenders as he did to his own receivers on balls that traveled 10 or more yards downfield.

You may never see a bigger QB implosion than Fitzpatrick had on Sunday against the Chiefs, and as things stand currently, it was the worst QB performance PFF has ever seen in a decade of grading."

 

It is simple...... 

When you have QB play this poor YOU CAN'T WIN!!!

I don't even know if the numbers do justice to that game.  I can't even remember a performance that bad, even in college when some Division II team is playing a Division I foe just to get their name out there, and are clearly outmatched.  Fitzpatrick looked like an idiot.  He legitimately could have had 10 interceptions in that game.  I don't know how a coach could look his team in the eye and say Fitz was the starter the next week after that performance.  If Fitz was a young prospect who was learning the curve, or a good QB that just had a bad day, then I would understand.  He's a career journeyman that lucked into a contract last year, and the team treated him like he was a HOF caliber QB, as they were afraid to hurt his legacy.