Jump to content
JetNation

Jets Fans Hoping Broncos’ Lynch Isn’t Repeat of Idzik’s Carr Wreck

Recommended Posts

IMG_1880.jpg?fit=2136%2C1857

By Glenn Naughton

 

In another case of “what could have been” for the New York Jets in their never-ending search for a franchise quarterback, the recent mega-contract handed to Derek Carr by the Oakland Raiders, a deal said to be worth up to $125 million over five years, is another punch in the gut for Jets fans who have endured decades of inept play at the position. Now those same fans will sit and watch how things transpire with Christian Hackenberg, hoping current GM Mike Maccagnan didn’t make a blunder similar to that of former GM John Idzik.

In the 2014 NFL draft, the Jets were on the clock with the 18th overall pick.  Carr, a highly touted quarterback who was viewed by some as a first round talent, was staring Idzik in the face.  Idzik had a chance to reverse the fortunes of a tortured franchise and steal Carr in the middle of the first round, but instead opted to stick with his hand-picked savior in Geno Smith, allowing him to go with defense (yet again) at 18.

IMG_1183.jpg?resize=300%2C293

John Idzik had enough faith in Geno Smith to pass on Derek Carr.

Earlier that season, Idzik had attended a game at the University of Louisville and was smitten by Cardinals safety Calvin Pryor.  A defender with a reputation for making highlight reel hits, but who was limited in coverage. Faced with the choice of Carr or Pryor, Idzik went with Pryor.  Carr would slide to the Raiders at the top of round two, who may now have the game’s best young quarterback, wile Pryor’s failed tenure with the Jets ended a few weeks ago when he was traded to the Cleveland Browns.

When the Jets open training camp in just over a month, all eyes are expected to be on second-year quarterback Christian Hackenberg as he tries to win the starting job in a competition between against Josh McCown and Bryce Petty.  Not exactly a murderer’s row of quarterbacks.

IMG_1664-1.jpg?resize=325%2C217

GM Mike Maccagnan passed on Paxton Lynch and took Darron Lee two drafts ago.

Should Hackenberg fail to get the starting nod, some of those same eyes will be shifting to take a peek out west to see how things are unfolding with the Denver Broncos and Paxton Lynch, the quarterback many fans were clamoring for when the Jets chose Ohio State linebacker Darron Lee in last year’s draft.  With only Geno Smith and Bryce Petty on his roster, current GM Mike Maccagnan passed on Lynch in favor of Lee.

Maccagnan isn’t thought to be on the hot seat in the eyes of owner Woody Johnson, nor should he be, but if Hackenberg is a bust, and Lynch lights it up, that could change in a hurry.

 

 

Jetnationcom?d=yIl2AUoC8zA Jetnationcom?d=qj6IDK7rITs
wbelDjA15Q4

Click here to read the full story...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Registered members do not see this ad. Click here to create your free account today.
Registered members do not see this ad. Click here to create your free account today.
16 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Hi, Glenn. As the only guy on this website who wanted to use a first rounder on Derek Carr, I can state with high certainty the the pick the Jets *should have made* in real time was Teddy Bridgewater, who was a better prospect by leaps and bounds. Check this thread for some sizzling hot takes from that draft period.

*EDIT: gotta credit my homeboy @sourceworx, who called Carr "the best QB in the draft" in that thread.

One post after Source's is the real gem...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, sourceworx said:

For what it's worth, I thought Hackenberg was the best QB in the draft last year. I still believe he is.  

Alright!  

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, sourceworx said:

For what it's worth, I thought Hackenberg was the best QB in the draft last year. I still believe he is.  

Good enough for me.  #5 jersey is geting ordered!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Woulda. Coulda. Shoulda.

TBQH I could care less if Lynch is good or not. The errors were sticking with QB's that were obviously not the answer, yet our GM's couldn't see it or refused to see it. It was obvious Sanchez and Geno was not the guy. Now, thus far (stress thus far) it appears Hack is not the guy.

All goes back to how you draft. Some say draft QB every year till you find one. Others say draft a 1st or 2nd rounder and give them four or more years before trying again. Judge for yourself how the second plan has been working out.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

What I thought was the most interesting in that draft was the first pick in round 2 was Houston - who needed a QB, but passed on carr sending him to Oakland - Carr for sure was the pick but Houston couldn't pull the trigger because they had drafted his older brother at #1 and he sucked - the fans would have gone crazy if they took him lol way to listen to your fans!!! Lol was mcags involved in that debacle for Houston ? Lol.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Hi, Glenn. As the only guy on this website who wanted to use a first rounder on Derek Carr, I can state with high certainty the the pick the Jets *should have made* in real time was Teddy Bridgewater, who was a better prospect by leaps and bounds. Check this thread for some sizzling hot takes from that draft period.

*EDIT: gotta credit my homeboy @sourceworx, who called Carr "the best QB in the draft" in that thread.

Yes!  I said Zach Martin!!!

If I recall, Teddy was your guy.  This scenario just had him gone already.  

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, jetsfan_toronto_canada said:

What I thought was the most interesting in that draft was the first pick in round 2 was Houston - who needed a QB, but passed on carr sending him to Oakland - Carr for sure was the pick but Houston couldn't pull the trigger because they had drafted his older brother at #1 and he sucked - the fans would have gone crazy if they took him lol way to listen to your fans!!! Lol was mcags involved in that debacle for Houston ? Lol.

No way, he was pounding the table for Carr

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, sourceworx said:

For what it's worth, I thought Hackenberg was the best QB in the draft last year. I still believe he is.  

Wow where did this come from? 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Warfish said:

Woulda. Coulda. Shoulda.

TBQH I could care less if Lynch is good or not. The errors were sticking with QB's that were obviously not the answer, yet our GM's couldn't see it or refused to see it. It was obvious Sanchez and Geno was not the guy. Now, thus far (stress thus far) it appears Hack is not the guy.

All goes back to how you draft. Some say draft QB every year till you find one. Others say draft a 1st or 2nd rounder and give them four or more years before trying again. Judge for yourself how the second plan has been working out.

Over the last decade or so, the Jets have drafted more QBs than any other team in the league. They fall much more into your category #1 than #2. How has that been working out? 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

it's quite simple by picking a QB in the second round you are allowing yourself some flexibility ... drafting in the first round demands immediate and impactful results. Few knew what Carr would turn out to be.

 

Next years First round pick will seal the fate of this regime ... good or bad.

 

Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, sourceworx said:

He has to earn it. 

Despite the majority on this site, I agree with you, I think the coaching staff has approached the situation correctly.... But like you say here... Has to earn playing time... He didn't earn it last year... so how did he spend the off season and did it fuel his fire to earn some playing time... We will see but I think he will.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Hi, Glenn. As the only guy on this website who wanted to use a first rounder on Derek Carr, I can state with high certainty the the pick the Jets *should have made* in real time was Teddy Bridgewater, who was a better prospect by leaps and bounds. Check this thread for some sizzling hot takes from that draft period.

*EDIT: gotta credit my homeboy @sourceworx, who called Carr "the best QB in the draft" in that thread.

You also said marital can't throw a football 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, slats said:

Over the last decade or so, the Jets have drafted more QBs than any other team in the league. They fall much more into your category #1 than #2. How has that been working out? 

Counting late round flyers is not the same as drafting QB's.

We may have picked "the most" but we certainly didn't pick the best, highest ranked or highest selected.

Instead we roll for half a decade with obvious known losers like Geno, dogs hit from day 1, and pass on. Enter prospects while some folks say the same old wait and see need weapons and a fifth year foolishness.

Now we have Hack, and because he was such a massive reach and couldn't even play in garbage time last year for fear of his fragile self....we have little to go out n to predict his future as yet, so again we pass on superior prospects. We'll see if it works out but history says it will not. That we'll waste three more years waiting on Hack and passing on prospects and filling in with JAG vets till we take another legitimate swing at a #1 QB.

So we'll see.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm not gonna sweat over players the jets didn't pick when they had the chance playing well because there are ALWAYS going to be players like that. But these two players don't even make sense to harp on.

Was Carr really the one that got away in 2014? I thought fans were on the Cooks train back then? Carr was a moderately coveted QB that year, a fringe first rounder that some draftnik's loved but others were underwhelmed by. Every other NFL team, including QB hungry ones, passed on this guy at first- I suppose because they didn't like his value in round one. That non-pick is not gonna keep me up at night, misjudging Pryor and a whole lot of mid-round picks is a much more damning part of that draft.

And Lynch? What about Lynch? He was another guy who showed round 1-2 promise that wasn't exactly can't miss. What matters is how the picks Mac made did, same with the Pryor pick for Idzik.

Quote

Maccagnan isn’t thought to be on the hot seat in the eyes of owner Woody Johnson, nor should he be, but if Hackenberg is a bust, and Lynch lights it up, that could change in a hurry.

There fixed it for you.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

As a 50 year fan of this franchise and of the game itself, the Hack pick looked like a big reach.
An in spite of all the fans who insist that he must get a chance , franchise QB's step up and take the opportunity. From all the reports we keep hearing he continues to struggle with the pro game. This after one full year in the system, sorry everyone, but the cream of the crop have always grab the bull by the horns and forced there coaches to play them. Not because of where there picked,because there play leaves no doubt about there ability.
This is neither the case with either of our young QB's. which is why you have a Josh McCown now on the team. All the time in the world is not going to make a difference if it's not there in the first place.
I hope I am dead wrong and more then willing to eat a month worth of crow, yet my 50 years tells me our franchise QB is still not on this team.
In closing I also have to ask the question, with a young experienced arm like Kappernick still available,why the hell would you bring in McCown?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
...
In closing I also have to ask the question, with a young experienced arm like Kappernick still available,why the hell would you bring in McCown?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Because by all accounts McCown is a team guy that likes to help young QBs develop and Kap by all accounts is the exact opposite.

McCown knows his role.


Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think Collin has gotten a bad reputation due to his stand against injustice and the way he chose to express it.
Yet, from a football stand point, he is by far ,the more superior QB then any presently employed by the Jets.
This notion of developing the young guys is quite contrary to the fan base wishes to tank and bring another rookie next year anyway.
Seems both Hack and Petty are not long term answers the way things are playing out. So bring in McCown to mentor them is a joke, considering he has already said he has every intention of being the starter.



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now


×