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The Franchise QBs: Rank the top signal-callers in Jets history

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16 hours ago, roscoeword said:

Amazing Stat - Obrien never had a rushing touchdown in his career, and we want to put him on a list of all time greats? I would take Matt Robinson over leadfoot. 

Because in the mid-80's we all wanted a Mike Vick type QB?

Do you recall the RB's we had in that era? O'Brian's lack of rushing greatness was not his worst flaw nor a particularly valid criticism (of which there are plenty).

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12 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Because in the mid-80's we all wanted a Mike Vick type QB?

Do you recall the RB's we had in that era? O'Brian's lack of rushing greatness was not his worst flaw nor a particularly valid criticism (of which there are plenty).

I know Kenny was your QB when you were growing up I understand that.. Even Pat Ryan had a rushing TD, the point was Kenny was a statue. Name one other starting QB in that era that never had even 1 td..:blink:

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3 hours ago, Savage69 said:

I know Kenny was your QB when you were growing up I understand that.. Even Pat Ryan had a rushing TD, the point was Kenny was a statue. Name one other starting QB in that era that never had even 1 td..:blink:

You're not wrong. He was a statue. I'll go you one further, he was a statue with the best skill position supporting cast since 69/70.

But he was also a statue who threw, at least for a short period, the best passes any Jets QB ever threw (Namath included) and led one of very few Jets Offenses worth watching in my 35 odd years of fandom. O'Brian to Toon at the age I was is why I'm a Jets fan.

No doubt the years since have been unkind to fans of offense, brief hopes (Vinny, Pennington) and massive failures (Nagle, Sanchez, Geno, that Steelers twit, Boomer, etc, etc, etc). But since Kenny O there have been damn too few moments where I felt we had a legit arm back there and damn too many "game managers" or idiots who needed color charts just to take a snap.

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On 7/5/2017 at 2:46 PM, nyjunc said:

they had a vet QB that set franchise records for TD passes. you are telling me that was not better than a raw rookie w/ far less talent to throw to?  we had a good OL in 2015 too.

Miami was at home playing for their first playoff app since 2008 and we had rookie Geno Smith.  That 2013 team overachieved as did all of rex's teams outside of 2011 and 2014.

A vet QB who stunk. So is Fitz a good player or a bad player? You can't say he's bad but then go "oh they had a vet QB who set a franchise record in TD passes" and act like he was good. He's either bad or good. I don't care about his numbers.

Yes, and Miami laid an egg like the Jets did in 2015. But it wasn't this big great win for the Jets. Miami played awful in that game.

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On 7/5/2017 at 2:47 PM, nyjunc said:

I was not a Fitz guy, he didn't play well but that was a team loss starting w/ awful coaching.  the HC didn't have his team ready to play, the HC of the team w/ nothing to play for had his team ready.

How is it awful coaching? The team didn't play well. Fitz was brutal, the D got off to an awful start. You can't just blame the coach when he's on the sidelines and the players are in the game.

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On ‎7‎/‎7‎/‎2017 at 10:18 PM, Warfish said:

You're not wrong. He was a statue. I'll go you one further, he was a statue with the best skill position supporting cast since 69/70.

But he was also a statue who threw, at least for a short period, the best passes any Jets QB ever threw (Namath included) and led one of very few Jets Offenses worth watching in my 35 odd years of fandom. O'Brian to Toon at the age I was is why I'm a Jets fan.

No doubt the years since have been unkind to fans of offense, brief hopes (Vinny, Pennington) and massive failures (Nagle, Sanchez, Geno, that Steelers twit, Boomer, etc, etc, etc). But since Kenny O there have been damn too few moments where I felt we had a legit arm back there and damn too many "game managers" or idiots who needed color charts just to take a snap.

A few comments:

  • I would say that ALL the QBs you weren't massive failures: in several cases, the entire Jets offense failed the QBs. The OLs have mostly sucked. The skill players, ABYSMAL. The Jets asked young QBs to compensate for poor talent surrounding them. Nagle and O'Donnell are the exceptions.
  • Sanchez actually DID manage to reach the playoffs twice and outplayed HOFers in those runs. Just not enough to make up for an OL and WR talent diminishment. And then he was damaged beyond repair. The Jets failed Sanchez, not the other way around.
  • "That Steelers twit" Neil O'Donnell just shed a tear and he doesn't know why.
  • "...idiots who need color charts". THEY ALL NEED THEM IN TODAY'S GAME.
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On 7/9/2017 at 10:39 AM, ScarletKnight89 said:

A vet QB who stunk. So is Fitz a good player or a bad player? You can't say he's bad but then go "oh they had a vet QB who set a franchise record in TD passes" and act like he was good. He's either bad or good. I don't care about his numbers.

Yes, and Miami laid an egg like the Jets did in 2015. But it wasn't this big great win for the Jets. Miami played awful in that game.

I was never a Fitz guy but he played well in 2015.

 

On 7/9/2017 at 10:40 AM, ScarletKnight89 said:

How is it awful coaching? The team didn't play well. Fitz was brutal, the D got off to an awful start. You can't just blame the coach when he's on the sidelines and the players are in the game.

the team was not prepared to play in a game w/ such high stakes.  the coaching was a disaster,  it was a total team loss, everyone outside of Marshall was terrible but it starts w/ the awful HC we had who was badly outcoached that day by the guy we threw in the trash who also happens to be the most susscessful postseason coach in our history.

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18 hours ago, phill1c said:

A few comments:

  • Sanchez actually DID manage to reach the playoffs twice and outplayed HOFers in those runs. Just not enough to make up for an OL and WR talent diminishment. And then he was damaged beyond repair. The Jets failed Sanchez, not the other way around.

I agree with this comment....  I believe if managed correctly, Sanchez could have been a "Flacco type" talent.  How we gutted the team after 2010 was criminal.

Unfortunately...  his post NY JETS career doesn't support this theory.

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3 hours ago, nyjunc said:

I was never a Fitz guy but he played well in 2015.

 

the team was not prepared to play in a game w/ such high stakes.  the coaching was a disaster,  it was a total team loss, everyone outside of Marshall was terrible but it starts w/ the awful HC we had who was badly outcoached that day by the guy we threw in the trash who also happens to be the most susscessful postseason coach in our history.

But again, look at the performance of the QB in that spot. We were driving to take the lead and he throws a crucial INT that basically ended the game when he had a guy wide open if he just would have scanned the field. I'm not in love with Bowles, but I have to put that game into perspective.

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2 hours ago, southparkcpa said:

I agree with this comment....  I believe if managed correctly, Sanchez could have been a "Flacco type" talent.  How we gutted the team after 2010 was criminal.

Unfortunately...  his post NY JETS career doesn't support this theory.

Flacco/Eli was his ceiling if everything came together. I think the Jets fell into a trap of believing that Sanchez was better than he really was after 2010. Because of that they felt him and some of the younger players could carry them. And so went guys like Woody, Cotchery, Edwards, etc

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10 minutes ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

But again, look at the performance of the QB in that spot. We were driving to take the lead and he throws a crucial INT that basically ended the game when he had a guy wide open if he just would have scanned the field. I'm not in love with Bowles, but I have to put that game into perspective.

Fitz was terrible but so was everyone else not named Brandon Marshall. even after the INT they had a qtr to play and couldn't get close.

7 minutes ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

Flacco/Eli was his ceiling if everything came together. I think the Jets fell into a trap of believing that Sanchez was better than he really was after 2010. Because of that they felt him and some of the younger players could carry them. And so went guys like Woody, Cotchery, Edwards, etc

they screwed him by getting rid of all his weapons, we had a guy who could play on the big stage but they got rid of all his weapons and expected him to improve.  I'm confident had we not fired Tannenbaum that w/in a year or 2 he would have revamped the weapons for him but they fired him which led to Idzik and setting the franchise back.

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4 hours ago, southparkcpa said:

I agree with this comment....  I believe if managed correctly, Sanchez could have been a "Flacco type" talent.  How we gutted the team after 2010 was criminal.

Unfortunately...  his post NY JETS career doesn't support this theory.

Actually, IMO, Sanchez's post-Jet career DOES support the theory.

Once a QB is beaten down, it's not likely that he will return to glory. It's hard enough to be a good QB when you haven't absorbed a lot of hits. Ken O'Brien somewhat supports the theory. Kenny was a very good passer until the concussions took their toll. Then, he was a guy protecting himself first and foremost.

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