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Vince Young wonders why Ryan Fitzpatrick playing but not him

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Anyway, I'm tiring.

So, catch you later.

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Just now, phill1c said:

And they have Black guys who have abused their wives who are out of the NFL (Ray Rice) while the kicker for the Giants is still employed. So, maybe not as absurd as you are so quick to say.

holy sh*t.  you saw a video of the kicker cold cocking his woman?  Dont even go there, the kicker sounds like he was in an unhealthy relationship for sure but please dont say it is the same thing except for race.  I have been with some crazy ass women and have had the smarts to walk away no matter how good they were in bed.  Why was hardy given chances and the kicker wasnt?  See???? i can play that game too.  it is ridiculous. the nfl will play any player if their skill outweighs their baggage imo. again, just my opinion ;)

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38 minutes ago, phill1c said:

And they have Black guys who have abused their wives who are out of the NFL (Ray Rice) while the kicker for the Giants is still employed. So, maybe not as absurd as you are so quick to say.

And that might be because the rule over punishment has changed.  Plus the outcry over the fact it was on video for the world to see.

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Maybe its because he doesn't get arrested & stuff 

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9 hours ago, phill1c said:

The notion that the worst QB in the league should be on the roster influencing young players seems absurd REGARDLESS of whether Vince Young has a job. LOL, but its repeated on this team: a guy with one of the worst QB ratings going back years, from a losing program is the presumptive starter.

All the other crap you've dumped on Vince young "he was in awful shape..." you don't know that. You know he pulled a hamstring. People in shape pull hamstrings too. But, no, you have to pile on bullsh!t to support...no kidding...Ryan Fitzpatrick?!

It's either the dumbest argument or a racist, er, racial one. You pick...

 

So in your limited capacity you believe that to be a good influence on others a player has to be above average?  A lousy player cant become a great HC or manager?  Really?  

And listen, if you're going to be a baby and call someone out for saying not only do you have a chip...you are the chip, don't call someone dumb or racist  

 

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1 minute ago, Jet Nut said:

A lousy player cant become a great HC or manager?  Really?  

 

Just the other day on NFL.com there was an article about the 11 active players best suited to become a HC in the future. Josh McCown was listed on it.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000817615/article/philip-rivers-heads-players-who-could-make-great-head-coaches

So I guess that backs up your point pretty well.

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7 hours ago, phill1c said:

And they have Black guys who have abused their wives who are out of the NFL (Ray Rice) while the kicker for the Giants is still employed. So, maybe not as absurd as you are so quick to say.

I believe that the difference there is a matter of incident-caught-on-tape vs. not-caught-on-tape rather than a matter of black/white.

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Holy crap! Vince young is 34 years old? Doesn't seem that long ago. Wow was he amazing at Texas. Shame he couldn't keep it together.  Fun guy to watch. 

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1 hour ago, The Crusher said:

Holy crap! Vince young is 34 years old? Doesn't seem that long ago. Wow was he amazing at Texas. Shame he couldn't keep it together.  Fun guy to watch. 

Great college player, complete freaking headache man-child. $25 M guarantee as a #3 overall pick. Two bankruptcies, 4 or 5 teams, and a weird day when everyone thought he was going to try to kill himself. 

 

Sad that these guys let people talk them into throwing their money away.

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9 hours ago, phill1c said:

Again, these are spots reserved for white guys. Because Black guys very rarely get to be a "career backup". Or get to be "career turnover machine choke artists."

That's something to say in the abstract but, specifically, what black QBs do you feel didn't/haven't gotten a fair shot to be a career backup? Certainly not Vince Young. 

Not Colin Kaepernick, either, who'd have a very nice well paid job if he hadn't chosen a questionable way to make a political point. 

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Fitz a late round guy is random and of course terrible, but in a way his career is far more impressive than former NFL RoY Heisman nominee Rose Bowl etc. Young could have a job right now if he had his act together. Being from Harvard is great if you're a lawyer or a pediatrician in the NFL it's interesting but not really helpful. Young is a household name in Texas and always will be that's still worth something. BTW if Tim Tebow can be promoted through the Mets farm system VY could have a job as a QB it's not that crazy of an idea. 

But that's looking at it from the perspective of these guys as individuals. Take a step back: It's a machine. To develop a QB takes an investment from the franchise. There is some truth to the statement that the backup and QB3 (QB4 if your Hack) jobs are often given away based on the whims of GMs. As a group, GMs are risk averse and will make every decision possible not to get fired. They often make personnel decisions based on nepotism, player resume, college legacy/fellow alum, etc.  It's why Sanchez, Geno, Clemens all still have jobs. These guys are objectively terrible but they have a job cause they either know people or have experience, or whatever stories GMs tell themselves to employ guys who every Jets fan will tell ya stink out loud.  

at Draftdaddy we used to get emails from parents of QB prospects who felt like the system was rigged against them cause their son, who checked off all sorts of boxes developmentally, athtletically, had the arm etc didn't go to a Michigan or wherever. Why couldn't their 6'5" son get media coverage? They would complain back in the days of NFL Europe which doesn't even exist these days. These prospects would love to be QB3 on any team and in theory a team could invest in a nobody and have it pay off. There's no reason why it couldn't. There might be only 20 real starters in the league at any given time but there are hundreds of possible QB2's. 

These backup jobs go to the Jordan Palmers of the world whether it's fair or not.  No Gm is getting fired drafting someone's brother or giving Mark Sanchez a backup job. It's a responsible move. Even Josh McCown whom Jets fans don't really know how bad he stinks yet, it's perceived as responsible to employ this player or heck even start him. It's been done before and it might even be done again.  It's like name brand loyalty. 

The risky move is to find some nobody, a Tony Romo or Kurt Warner and push all in. You have to be Bill Parcells or Dick Vermeil to make those moves. 

To bring it back around Fitz is more of an outsider journeyman who accumulated an NFL resume than a big time name brand like Vince Young. Young put butts in the seats with his natural ability, Fitz may have been a terrible QB for the Jets last year but he's earned his career.

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29 minutes ago, bitonti said:

the fact that Geno Smith is employed should end the racism argument. NFL teams would sell a purple man from Mars if he could run a 4.3

Only if he were non-threatening!

I think the racism card could more properly be played comparing these (they just win, physical) guys to players like Manziel.  Guys that play by the book and are willing to sit and play (generally) within an offense stick around.  Look at Garrard - the Jets would probably still be carrying him, but he failed the physical.  I mean, I know Charlie Batch is pretty light skinned, but he has been playing for damn near ever. 

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Vince Young would be our week 1 starter -- and I think he sucks

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22 hours ago, phill1c said:

I thought this was about Ryan Fitzpatrick and his suckage. Apparently, it's about the audacity of ANYONE to criticize a loser you've hooked your wagon to.

what? Are you drunk or stupid? I've blasted Fitzpatrick on here. I get you want to make stuff up so you can go on some imaginary crusade for some reason, but at least spend a couple seconds researching before charging off the cliff.

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On Tue Jun 27 2017 at 2:05 PM, Joe Jets fan said:

Because Fitz is smart as hell and Young is dumb as sh*t.  That's why

 

fitz is a dummy on the field 

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7 hours ago, jamesr said:

Just the other day on NFL.com there was an article about the 11 active players best suited to become a HC in the future. Josh McCown was listed on it.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000817615/article/philip-rivers-heads-players-who-could-make-great-head-coaches

So I guess that backs up your point pretty well.

As do quite a few baseball managers like Lasorda, Stengel etc.

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3 hours ago, jeremy2020 said:

what? Are you drunk or stupid?

Is your mom?

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