kelly Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 > http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2017/07/looking_back_at_the_players_drafted_by_ex-jets_gm_1.html#incart_river_index Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Hey, there was a Jalen Saunders sighting this weekend, had a nice game for the Hamilton Tiger Cats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Idzik sucked. Mac's drafts have not been better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 To the folks who want to give Mac 10 years free pass because of Idzik: Somehow Kotites drafts didn't stop Parcells from almost getting to the Super Bowl just 2 years later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 *current Jets regime enters third year, plans on starting sub-replacement-level players at QB1, WR1, OLT, EDGE, and CB1* JETS FANS: lol remember Shaq Evans? that guy sucked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASH1962 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 I think it is more relevant to ask why / how Todd Bowles is still our HC. To continue to lambaste the departed is silly as there is nothing we can do to change was has happened already, but we can change the future for the positive by sending Mr. Bowles out on the Jenny, forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 59 minutes ago, thadude said: Idzik sucked. Mac's drafts have not been better They have been astronomically better. Dude you are a wet blanket. Very negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, ASH1962 said: I think it is more relevant to ask why / how Todd Bowles is still our HC. To continue to lambaste the departed is silly as there is nothing we can do to change was has happened already, but we can change the future for the positive by sending Mr. Bowles out on the Jenny, forever. That probably won't happen this season. He will get a mulligan as long as the team plays hard and shows progress. I think he has flaws that cannot be fixed such as he lacks fire on the sideline and adjustments are just a theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 1 hour ago, thadude said: To the folks who want to give Mac 10 years free pass because of Idzik: Somehow Kotites drafts didn't stop Parcells from almost getting to the Super Bowl just 2 years later Parcells brought in a lot of free agents that helped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 I don't think we can lay all the blame at Maccagnan's and Bowles's feet until we relitigate the Steve Gutman Era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Just now, Ex-Rex said: Parcells brought in a lot of free agents that helped. You know who else brought in a lot of free agents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 1 hour ago, thadude said: To the folks who want to give Mac 10 years free pass because of Idzik: Somehow Kotites drafts didn't stop Parcells from almost getting to the Super Bowl just 2 years later Parcells walked into a very talented young team. The team was just poorly coached, BP is an all time great HC. many of the same players that were 1-15 in 1996 were 9-7 in 1997. it's not just that Idzik's drafts were bad but he built up for that one huge draft and did a horrendous job that set the franchise back a few years. we had a one year blip w/ FA when we had to spend but Macc deserves time to rebuild the right way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Only 5 players left of the 19 Idzik drafted yet guys like thadude think Mac's drafts have been as bad. I don't think so. He hasn't hit on everything but NO ONE DOES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 1 hour ago, thadude said: Idzik sucked. Mac's drafts have not been better w/ 19 picks in 2 years Idzik selected just 2 real starters- Richardson who has been suspended numerous games and Enunwa who stepped up last year. to say Macc's drafts have not been better is silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Why is this not a flashing sign at the top of the page "NEWS FLASH: IDZIK SUCKED AT DRAFTING!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Parcells took over the best 1-15 team in history, and Rex took over the worst 9-7 team in history, and Maccagnan inherited $60 mil in cap space, but it was a cheap $60 mil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 36 minutes ago, Ex-Rex said: They have been astronomically better. How? Please name me the good players not named Leo we drafted in 2015 and 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 29 minutes ago, nyjunc said: w/ 19 picks in 2 years Idzik selected just 2 real starters- Richardson who has been suspended numerous games and Enunwa who stepped up last year. to say Macc's drafts have not been better is silly. And Mac selected 1 in his first 2 years drafting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 14 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Parcells took over the best 1-15 team in history, and Rex took over the worst 9-7 team in history, and Maccagnan inherited $60 mil in cap space, but it was a cheap $60 mil. are you saying we weren't talented when he took over? Just now, thadude said: How? Please name me the good players not named Leo we drafted in 2015 and 2016 Leo might be our best draft pick since revis and it's way too early to evaluate his picks as only one class has played more than a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, thadude said: And Mac selected 1 in his first 2 years drafting that one is the best pick we have made since a future HOFer in revis and Williams, Lee, Burris, Jenkins are all legit starters in 2017 and w/ much fewer picks to choose from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Jets fan Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 1 hour ago, thadude said: Idzik sucked. Mac's drafts have not been better Dear god don't you have something better to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 42 minutes ago, nyjunc said: w/ 19 picks in 2 years Idzik selected just 2 real starters- Richardson who has been suspended numerous games and Enunwa who stepped up last year. to say Macc's drafts have not been better is silly. If Winters isn't a real starter, how come our fancy smarty pants player personnel side GM just gave him $8M per? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 34 minutes ago, nyjunc said: that one is the best pick we have made since a future HOFer in revis and Williams, Lee, Burris, Jenkins are all legit starters in 2017 and w/ much fewer picks to choose from. Leo is a very good player but Idzik drafted Enunwa in the late rounds and he is just as valuable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 37 minutes ago, nyjunc said: are you saying we weren't talented when he took over? Leo might be our best draft pick since revis and it's way too early to evaluate his picks as only one class has played more than a year. Best draft pick since Revis? Sheldon Richardson and Mo Wilkerson are just as talented and play the same position and were also first round picks Probably the best young player we got since Revis who was either a draft pick or rookie UFA was Snacks Harrison aka the NFL's best run defender But I digress to my original point. All of Macagnan's draft picks besides Leo in 2015 and 2016 have been garbage yet somehow he is "astronmically better at drafting" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 30 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: If Winters isn't a real starter, how come our fancy smarty pants player personnel side GM just gave him $8M per? Because Mac is obsessed with overpaying to resign any free agent not named Snacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn31 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: I don't think we can lay all the blame at Maccagnan's and Bowles's feet until we relitigate the Steve Gutman Era. 1 hour ago, Ex-Rex said: Parcells brought in a lot of free agents that helped. 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: You know who else brought in a lot of free agents? 1 hour ago, nyjunc said: Parcells walked into a very talented young team. The team was just poorly coached, BP is an all time great HC. many of the same players that were 1-15 in 1996 were 9-7 in 1997. it's not just that Idzik's drafts were bad but he built up for that one huge draft and did a horrendous job that set the franchise back a few years. we had a one year blip w/ FA when we had to spend but Macc deserves time to rebuild the right way. 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: Parcells took over the best 1-15 team in history, and Rex took over the worst 9-7 team in history, and Maccagnan inherited $60 mil in cap space, but it was a cheap $60 mil. Come one now... Ya'll play nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 2012 draft: Quinton Coples Stephen Hill Demario Davis Josh Bush Terrance Ganaway Robert Griffin Antonio Allen Jordan White Bad drafts don't necessarily end a team's chances at being competitive. The Pats have had a few clunkers too. It's bad management that sinks a football team. Idzik was better than Mac in this regard by leaps and bounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 47 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: If Winters isn't a real starter, how come our fancy smarty pants player personnel side GM just gave him $8M per? my mistake, I missed Winters. 21 minutes ago, thadude said: Leo is a very good player but Idzik drafted Enunwa in the late rounds and he is just as valuable I love Quincy but that draft produced the following WRs: Odell Beckham, Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans, Brandin Cooks, Davante Adams, Kelvin Benjamin, Jordan Matthews, Davante Adams, Allen Robinson, Jarvis Landry, Donte Moncrief, Martavis Bryant while we drafted WRs Jalen Saunders, Shaq evans and later Enunway. 19 minutes ago, thadude said: Best draft pick since Revis? Sheldon Richardson and Mo Wilkerson are just as talented and play the same position and were also first round picks Probably the best young player we got since Revis who was either a draft pick or rookie UFA was Snacks Harrison aka the NFL's best run defender But I digress to my original point. All of Macagnan's draft picks besides Leo in 2015 and 2016 have been garbage yet somehow he is "astronmically better at drafting" Williams isn't the off field distraction that Sheldon is and he doesn't take plays off like Mo. Again, Macc's drafts have only seen 1 class w/ more than 1 season. how can they be garbage? and you can;'t forget all the picks Idzik had in a talent rich 2014 draft. he stockpiled picks and had one of the worst drafts in team history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 1 minute ago, sirlancemehlot said: 2012 draft: Quinton Coples Stephen Hill Demario Davis Josh Bush Terrance Ganaway Robert Griffin Antonio Allen Jordan White Bad drafts don't necessarily end a team's chances at being competitive. The Pats have had a few clunkers too. It's bad management that sinks a football team. Idzik was better than Mac in this regard by leaps and bounds. idzilk was better than Mac in what regard? and yeah NE has had clunkers but they have Tom Brady. the 2014 draft would cripple any franchise as Idzik refused to spend on FAs and allowed others to leave to stockpile picks then he had one of the worst drafts in history in one of the deepest drafts of modern times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted July 10, 2017 Author Share Posted July 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, nyjunc said: idzilk was better than Mac in what regard? and yeah NE has had clunkers but they have Tom Brady. the 2014 draft would cripple any franchise as Idzik refused to spend on FAs and allowed others to leave to stockpile picks then he had one of the worst drafts in history in one of the deepest drafts of modern times. true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 11 minutes ago, glenn31 said: Come one now... Ya'll play nice. some of the talent BP inherited: Keyshawn Johnson Wayne Cherebet Adrian Murrell Kyle Brady Jeff Graham Jumbo Elliot Matt O'Dwyer hugh Douglas Mo Lewis Marvin Jones Aaron Glenn Marcus Coleman Ray Mickens Richie Anderson Chad Cascadden Bobby Hamilton that's a damn good base of talent to work with. He also inherited the #1 OVERALL pick and #1 pick in each round which, of course, he screwed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, nyjunc said: idzilk was better than Mac in what regard? and yeah NE has had clunkers but they have Tom Brady. the 2014 draft would cripple any franchise as Idzik refused to spend on FAs and allowed others to leave to stockpile picks then he had one of the worst drafts in history in one of the deepest drafts of modern times. Management. He refused to sign FA's to stockpile picks. He accumulated $60 mil. in cap space. Basically, under Idzik, the team was in a similar situation as it is now except now we don't have much cap space and don't have any extra draft picks. So, yea, Idzik was a better manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Just now, sirlancemehlot said: Management. He refused to sign FA's to stockpile picks. He accumulated $60 mil. in cap space. Basically, under Idzik, the team was in a similar situation as it is now except now we don't have much cap space and don't have any extra draft picks. So, yea, Idzik was a better manager. ok. I can agree w/. that. I liked his approach, it was his execution that was lacking but to be fair to Macc he had to spend when he took over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 1 hour ago, nyjunc said: my mistake, I missed Winters. I love Quincy but that draft produced the following WRs: Odell Beckham, Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans, Brandin Cooks, Davante Adams, Kelvin Benjamin, Jordan Matthews, Davante Adams, Allen Robinson, Jarvis Landry, Donte Moncrief, Martavis Bryant while we drafted WRs Jalen Saunders, Shaq evans and later Enunway. Williams isn't the off field distraction that Sheldon is and he doesn't take plays off like Mo. Again, Macc's drafts have only seen 1 class w/ more than 1 season. how can they be garbage? and you can;'t forget all the picks Idzik had in a talent rich 2014 draft. he stockpiled picks and had one of the worst drafts in team history. I'm comparing Idzik's two drafts to Mac's first two drafts. Where is the huge disparity in talent that Mac has gotten us? Idzik: Sheldon, Enunwa, Winters Mac: Leo, Anderson (UFA) The rest of the players are either JAGs or Duds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 1 hour ago, nyjunc said: idzilk was better than Mac in what regard? and yeah NE has had clunkers but they have Tom Brady. the 2014 draft would cripple any franchise as Idzik refused to spend on FAs and allowed others to leave to stockpile picks then he had one of the worst drafts in history in one of the deepest drafts of modern times. Too bad the 2015 and 2016 drafts weren't much better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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