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Watched Hard Knocks: 2010 Jets today and it got me reminiscing over those two glory years..found this article from way back in 09'. I was a little surprised by the comparison.

https://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/20/comparing-2009-jets-with-2000-ravens/

Comparing 2009 Jets With 2000 Ravens

BY LUIS DELOUREIRO
 January 20, 2010 6:00 am

Luis DeLoureiro is building a better passer rating, among other statistical pursuits, at NFLStatAnalysis.net. He also contributes at classactsports.com.

New York Jets
Baltimore Ravens

Recent history suggests that it’s possible to win the Super Bowl with mediocre quarterback play if you have an exceptional (not good….not great…..exceptional) defense. 

In terms of both yards and points, the 2009 Jets had the league’s No. 1 defense. They were particularly strong against the pass, giving up under 2,500 yards and only 8 TDs through the air. 

This is no small feat for a team that finished 2008 16th in yards allowed and 18th in points allowed. More surprising was their improvement against the pass – where they ranked 29th in yards allowed in 2008. 

As we all know by now, that defense has led Rex Ryan’s team all the way to the A.F.C. championship game against the Indianapolis Colts. 

This got me to thinking. We know how good this defense is when compared to the other 2009 teams. But how good are they when compared with other top defenses of the past decade? 

I decided to compare the 2009 Jets to the ultimate defensive benchmark of the last 10 years – the 2000 Baltimore Ravens. 

I wasn’t expecting a fair fight. I came away somewhat surprised by what I found.

Below are some key statistics comparing the Jets with the 2000 Ravens. The table includes both the actual metric and rank when compared to all defenses between 2000 and 2009 (out of 315). 

Keep in mind that offenses – particularly passing offenses – have changed significantly since 2000. I’ll try to address that a bit further down in the post. 

Defensive Metrics

 

2000 Ravens

 

2009 Jets

 

Value

 

Rank Since 2000

 

Value

 

Rank Since 2000

 

Points

 

165 

 

 

236

 

12

 

Total Yards

 

4,037 

 

3

 

3,967

 

4

 

Total Yards Per Play

 

4.3 

 

 

4.2

 

5

 

Passing Yards

 

2,997 

 

54

 

2,459

 

3

 

Passing Yards Per Att.

 

5.7 

 

33 

 

4.9

 

3

 

Rushing Yards

 

970 

 

 

1,578

 

72

 

Rushing Yards Per Att

 

2.7 

 

 

3.8

 

63

 

• The Ravens and Jets were very close – ranked 3rd and 4th in the decade – in terms of total yards allowed.
The 2008 Steelers and the 2000 Titans were the top two in this metric. (That’s right, the Ravens did not finish number one in 2000 in total yards allowed).
• The 2000 Ravens had a clear edge in points allowed. However, the Jets’ No. 12 ranking is a bit deceiving.
The data includes all scores – not just those given up by the defense. The Jets actually gave up seven TDs on kick, fumble and interception returns – compared with four for the 2000 Ravens.
While the Ravens would still prevail in points yielded – 137 points 187 – the Jets would probably climb into the top five for the decade. 

The two teams differed in their areas of strength. 

• The 2000 Ravens had the decade’s top rushing defense – giving up under 1,000 yards for the entire season. The 2006 Minnesota Vikings were the only other defense to give up under 1,000 yards on the ground.
• The Ravens allowed only 2.7 yards per rush attempt and five touchdown runs.
• Meanwhile, the 2009 Jets’ defense finished 3rd in the decade in total passing yards (2,459) and passing yards per attempt (4.91). They allowed only eight passing touchdowns.
The 2006 Raiders and the 2000 Titans gave up fewer passing yards. The 2002 Bucs and the 2008 Steelers gave up fewer yards per attempt. 

This analysis would indicate – not surprisingly – that the 2000 Ravens were the superior defense. However, the raw gap between the two was smaller than would have been expected. 

Further, when considering the league-wide increases in production via the passing game – 10 quarterbacks surpassed 4,000 yards passing in 2009 – the Jets’ performance against the pass merits further attention. 

Adjusting for Offensive Trends

The 2000 Ravens’ dominance in the running game requires no further review — raw figures tell the story. 

However, as superb as the Jets’ pass defense appears looking only at the 2009 raw numbers, the results become even more impressive when you consider that league-wide passing numbers have been on the upswing for a few years. 

To account for the changing offensive trends, I have created a separate calculation that looks at each team’s performance in key statistics against the league’s average in that metric for the given year. 

For example, the Jets yielded 2,459 passing yards in 2009. The average 16-game passing total in 2009 for all 32 teams was 3,495. The Jets gave up 30% fewer yards than the league average. 

Below are the averages in several key metrics in 2000 and 2009. Metrics are per game — unless otherwise indicated. 

Year

 

Total Yds

 

Total Pts

 

Passing Yds 

 

Passing Y/A 

 

Rushing Yds

 

Rushing Y/A

 

2000

 

319.4

 

20.7

 

206.9 

 

6.3 

 

112.6

 

4.1

 

2009

 

335.1

 

22.0

 

218.5 

 

6.6 

 

116.7

 

4.2

 

Difference 

 

15.7 

 

1.4 

 

11.6 

 

0.3 

 

4.1 

 

0.2 

 

In terms of raw passing yards yielded, the 2009 Jets were the third-best pass defense of the decade. However, when you adjust for the league average, the Jets actually had the stingiest defense in terms of yards allowed – yielding 30% fewer yards than the league average. (See the table below) 

Rank

 

Year

 

Team 

 

Passing Yds 

 

Avg for Year

 

Diff. From Avg

 

1

 

2009

 

New York Jets 

 

2459 

 

3,495

 

-30%

 

2

 

2000

 

Tennessee Titans 

 

2423 

 

3,310

 

-27%

 

3

 

2006

 

Oakland Raiders 

 

2413 

 

3,277

 

-26%

 

4

 

2008

 

Pittsburgh Steelers 

 

2511 

 

3,381

 

-26%

 

5

 

2002

 

Tampa Bay Buccaneers 

 

2490

 

3,350

 

-26%

 

When adjusting for offenses, the Jets move into second place in the decade for yards per pass attempt. 

Rank

 

Year

 

Team 

 

Y/A 

 

Avg for Year

 

Diff. From Avg

 

1

 

2008

 

Pittsburgh Steelers 

 

4.71 

 

6.58

 

-28%

 

2

 

2009

 

New York Jets 

 

4.91 

 

6.58

 

-25%

 

3

 

2002

 

Tampa Bay Buccaneers 

 

4.88

 

6.18

 

-21%

 

4

 

2007

 

Pittsburgh Steelers 

 

5.27 

 

6.45

 

-18%

 

5

 

2004

 

Buffalo Bills 

 

5.40 

 

6.58

 

-18%

 

If you look at the two tables above, you’ll notice that the teams listed were, with a couple of exceptions, very successful. The 2008 Steelers and the 2002 Buccaneers each won the Super Bowl. The 2000 Titans were edged out of the Super Bowl by the Baltimore Ravens, after beating the Ravens in the old A.F.C. Central.

The exceptions on the list are the 2004 Bills, who narrowly missed the playoffs, and the 2006 Raiders, who faced only 410 attempts for the entire year. (This was perhaps because they fell behind early and opposing teams were running out the clock). 

Getting Hot at the Right Time

Since a Week 11 loss to the New England Patriots – the last game in a 1-6 stretch when the Jets conceded over 22 points per game – the Jets have given up just over nine points per game and under 150 yards passing per game. 

And, in the aerial assault that is the 2009 N.F.L., the ability to stop the pass can come in handy. 

 
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17 minutes ago, Greenseed4 said:

If our defense played against their defense...there would be no snap, no QB, and no WRs.

...and, Buster Skrine would still get flagged for holding. 

10 yard penalty all the way from Chattanooga University 2 years into the future. Boy, that must of been one hell of hold. 

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1 minute ago, HessStation said:

Kris Jenkins was the most dominant player I've ever seen play per extremely short window. But truth.

Right! Really sucks he kept getting injured. Vocal leader too. Big presence on the field and in the locker room.. we were stout. A younger David Harris, Bart Scott, Revis(prime), Shaun Ellis, Jenkins, Leonard was no slouch.

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2 minutes ago, NoBowles said:

No, I bleed Green, I am just a realist. I watched both teams, absolutely no comparison.

Nah man, I was honestly joking. I know you are a fan. I respect your opinion but I do believe there is very much a comparison to be made. I witnessed greatness that year man. Unique greatness.

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3 minutes ago, JiF said:

The Rex years aka the good old days 

At least the first two out of six. Then we kept blowing coverage 24/7 and getting raped on runs up the middle...i still have no explanation how or why. Oh yeah..Kyle Wilson, Coples, etc. boy for Tanny to draft so good in 2007-2008...he really screwed up after that.

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1 minute ago, JiF said:

Best years of being a Jets fan in my life...

98 was much better than either of the two good Rex years, and after the two good years, were the worst 4 years of Jets football I experienced, much worse than the Kotite era even.

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8 minutes ago, NoBowles said:

98 was much better than either of the two good Rex years, and after the two good years, were the worst 4 years of Jets football I experienced, much worse than the Kotite era even.

Im 21.. was born in 96' so really the only successful seasons I lived through actually knowing what I was watching was 09 and 10' ..sad but I was the proudest I have ever been of them. Jets defeating the Patriots in that division round after getting blown out 43-3 6 weeks prior...man that cemented it as my favorite game ever...favorite season ever as well. 

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6 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Im 21.. was born in 96' so really the only successful seasons I lived through actually knowing what I was watching was 09 and 10' ..sad but I was the proudest I have ever been of them. Jets defeating the Patriots in that division round after getting blown out 43-3 6 weeks prior...man that cemented it as my favorite game ever...favorite season ever as well. 

So.... you are enjoying a TRUE jet fan experience.  You look back 7 years for a good memory.  Get used to it....??

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7 minutes ago, southparkcpa said:

So.... you are enjoying a TRUE jet fan experience.  You look back 7 years for a good memory.  Get used to it....??

Unfortunately when I get extremely interested in a ball club, hobby, music artist, etc..I go back and dig deep into everything that has ever happened since the existence of said 'interest'..lol. I may have not lived through the pain but i know the pain all too well.? Whenever me and friends get into an argument about football..the FIRST line that comes up EVERY time is "when's the last time the Jets won the super bowl" .. all I have to come back with is "Super bowl 3 was the most important Super Bowl to date." ??‍♂️???

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48 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Im 21.. was born in 96' so really the only successful seasons I lived through actually knowing what I was watching was 09 and 10' ..sad but I was the proudest I have ever been of them. Jets defeating the Patriots in that division round after getting blown out 43-3 6 weeks prior...man that cemented it as my favorite game ever...favorite season ever as well. 

I have sperm older than you

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It's not even a contest, 2000 Ravens D was better and it's only rivaled by the 1985 Bears, 2002 Bucs, and the 2013 Seahawks.

2009 Jets D was a great unit, but not legendary like the above ones.  It lacked the supporting cast in the secondary alongside Revis to be truly great.

The 2000 Ravens were very unique because they played mostly base defense, no exotic blitzes.  Their front 4 was just so good that they occupied every blocker and disrupted, leaving the back 7 free to make plays.

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9 hours ago, Patriot Killa said:

When adjusting for offenses, the Jets move into second place in the decade for yards per pass attempt. 

Rank

 

Year

 

Team 

 

Y/A 

 

Avg for Year

 

Diff. From Avg

 

1

 

2008

 

Pittsburgh Steelers 

 

4.71 

 

6.58

 

-28%

 

2

 

2009

 

New York Jets 

 

4.91 

 

6.58

 

-25%

 

3

 

2002

 

Tampa Bay Buccaneers 

 

4.88

 

6.18

 

-21%

 

4

 

2007

 

Pittsburgh Steelers 

 

5.27 

 

6.45

 

-18%

 

5

 

2004

 

Buffalo Bills 

 

5.40 

 

6.58

 

-18%

 

 

How about adjusting for really important games or crucial 3rd downs?

I think Baltimore excelled and our Jets..........well

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6 hours ago, Saul Goodman said:

Darelle Revis, and to a much lesser extent, Antonio Cromartie, made that defense what it was

It was Revis and a bunch of nobodies in 2009 Lito Sheppard/Drew Coleman/Donald Strickland.

 

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our 2009 and 2010 Ds were good but vastly overrated,  The 2000 ravens D dominated and led a team to a SB, the 2009 Jets had a 17-6 lead against the greatest choking QB of our time and gave up 30 pts which could have been much more had they not eased up.  

The Ravens lost 4 games in 2000, in the 4 losses the D allowed a TOTAL of 45 points(11.3 PPG) and they didn't blew a single 4th qtr lead to lose a game.

The 2009 Jets lost 7 games, in those 4 losses they allowed 124 pts(17.7 PPG) and blew 3 4th qtr leads.

 

In the playoffs the 2000 Ravens allowed 16 points in 4 games(4 PPG)

In the playoffs the 2009 Jets allowed 58 pts in 3 games(19.3 PPG) and blew a double digit lead.

 

Please don't ever compare the 2 defenses again, I don't care what some silly out of context stat shows.  they weren't comparable.

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15 hours ago, HessStation said:

Kris Jenkins was the most dominant player I've ever seen play per extremely short window. But truth.

Except he only played 7 games in 2 years for the 09-10 team. But yes he was hell when he was well..

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26 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

our 2009 and 2010 Ds were good but vastly overrated,  The 2000 ravens D dominated and led a team to a SB, the 2009 Jets had a 17-6 lead against the greatest choking QB of our time and gave up 30 pts which could have been much more had they not eased up.  

The Ravens lost 4 games in 2000, in the 4 losses the D allowed a TOTAL of 45 points(11.3 PPG) and they didn't blew a single 4th qtr lead to lose a game.

The 2009 Jets lost 7 games, in those 4 losses they allowed 124 pts(17.7 PPG) and blew 3 4th qtr leads.

 

In the playoffs the 2000 Ravens allowed 16 points in 4 games(4 PPG)

In the playoffs the 2009 Jets allowed 58 pts in 3 games(19.3 PPG) and blew a double digit lead.

 

Please don't ever compare the 2 defenses again, I don't care what some silly out of context stat shows.  they weren't comparable.

Completely agree.  It's kind of staggering how you understand this, acknowledging Rex has nothing to do with offense, yet still think he was a good coach.

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