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Just now, win4ever said:

Again, established vs. non established. 

That's like saying Gronk, still getting money even with injuries, because he's already established.  

We agree.  Geno has established himself as an $850K per year QB.

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Just now, AFJF said:

Tryod Taylor- 0 Starts, $1 mil per year deal

Geno Smith- 30 starts, $850K for one year

How much do you think Geno gets in FA next year after he gets some pre-season exposure with a loaded offense?

How many starts in the last two years? 

Now, I'm not sure he will get the playing time.  But assuming he gets 4+ starts, I'll say he makes more than Fitz is making this year. 

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Just now, win4ever said:

How many starts in the last two years? 

Now, I'm not sure he will get the playing time.  But assuming he gets 4+ starts, I'll say he makes more than Fitz is making this year. 

Why does that even matter?  If he was a good QB, would teams honestly pass on him b/c he hasn't played for two years?

If that were the case, NFL teams would laugh at how stupid the Jets were for slowing Geno's journey to Canton, and they'd be fighting over him when FA started.  It didn't happen like that.  He sat around for a few months, waited for a starting gig, didn't get one and settled for $850K to sit on the bench.

 

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1 minute ago, AFJF said:

We agree.  Geno has established himself as an $850K per year QB.

Nope, one is unknown because of a lack of exposure like Tyrod, the other was established.  

You can go on with Stafford or Peyton or Brees as examples but they are different because they were stars before they got injured, or in Stafford's case hypothetically injured.  

 

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2 minutes ago, AFJF said:

Why does that even matter?  If he was a good QB, would teams honestly pass on him b/c he hasn't played for two years?

If that were the case, NFL teams would laugh at how stupid the Jets were for slowing Geno's journey to Canton, and they'd be fighting over him when FA started.  It didn't happen like that.  He sat around for a few months, waited for a starting gig, didn't get one and settled for $850K to sit on the bench.

 

So then, why did teams pass on Taylor?  

Again, so why did teams pass on Taylor?

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Just now, win4ever said:

So then, why did teams pass on Taylor?  

Again, so why did teams pass on Taylor?

Are you seriously asking me why teams weren't clamouring to sign a guy who had never started an NFL game?  I'll tell you why.  It's because the guy had never started an NFL game. He was an unknown commodity.  Geno Smith is a known commodity.  That's why nobody offered him a starting job and he had to take $850K.

 

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Just now, AFJF said:

Are you seriously asking me why teams weren't clamouring to sign a guy who had never started an NFL game?  I'll tell you why.  It's because the guy had never started an NFL game. He was an unknown commodity.  Geno Smith is a known commodity.  That's why nobody offered him a starting job and he had to take $850K.

 

So he is now a known commodity with 1 start over 2 years?

In 2013, Julian Edleman signed a contract for one year and 765,000, after starting a grand total of 13 games prior in 4 combined seasons.   The same season, the Pats themselves paid Danny Amendola 28 million over 5 years.   Who's the better player?  Heyward-Bay got 2.5 million.  Who's the better player?

So if NFL teams established him as a bust with his contract, were they right?

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Just now, win4ever said:

So he is now a known commodity with 1 start over 2 years?

In 2013, Julian Edleman signed a contract for one year and 765,000, after starting a grand total of 13 games prior in 4 combined seasons.   The same season, the Pats themselves paid Danny Amendola 28 million over 5 years.   Who's the better player?  Heyward-Bay got 2.5 million.  Who's the better player?

So if NFL teams established him as a bust with his contract, were they right?

I suppose if I were a Geno Smith fan, I'd ignore his first 29 starts too...LOL

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Just now, AFJF said:

I suppose if I were a Geno Smith fan, I'd ignore his first 29 starts too...LOL

So the league was wise to ignore Edleman's first 13 starts?

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6 minutes ago, win4ever said:

So the league was wise to ignore Edleman's first 13 starts?

I have no idea what a wide receiver for the Patriots has to do with a quarterback for the Jets.

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1 minute ago, AFJF said:

I have no idea what a wide receiver for the Patriots has to do with a quarterback for the Jets.

An example of the league underpaying someone because of a lack of exposure.  

What does Drew Brees and Matt Stafford have anything to do with the Jets QB situation?

My whole point is this, Geno Smith, if given a chance to start last year and been able to stay healthy, he would make more than Ryan Fitzpatrick.  His lack of starts and injury means he has to take a one year contract where he can prove his value if he gets a shot.  Same thing with Edleman, or even Tyrod taking a chance to prove things if they get a shot.  

It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things because I doubt GMs are going to read these posts and reevaluate their thinking, but I refuse to accept that Ryan Fitzpatrick was the right choice for the team last year, based on the contracts that they got this year, when both of them took pay cuts, and only one of them actually played for any significant time last year.  If Geno had played even 5 games, and still got less money, then I would have absolutely no problem.  

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To get this thread back on topic, I also loved the Leon Washington pick and even did a write up for DraftDaddy with him as a potential steal before the draft.

I also thougth Darrell McClover was going to a be a late-round steal.

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Just now, win4ever said:

An example of the league underpaying someone because of a lack of exposure.  

What does Drew Brees and Matt Stafford have anything to do with the Jets QB situation?

My whole point is this, Geno Smith, if given a chance to start last year and been able to stay healthy, he would make more than Ryan Fitzpatrick.  His lack of starts and injury means he has to take a one year contract where he can prove his value if he gets a shot.  Same thing with Edleman, or even Tyrod taking a chance to prove things if they get a shot.  

It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things because I doubt GMs are going to read these posts and reevaluate their thinking, but I refuse to accept that Ryan Fitzpatrick was the right choice for the team last year, based on the contracts that they got this year, when both of them took pay cuts, and only one of them actually played for any significant time last year.  If Geno had played even 5 games, and still got less money, then I would have absolutely no problem.  

Geno does not have a lack of exposure.  If you think 30+ starts is a lack of exposure, I don't know what else to say to you.

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Just now, AFJF said:

Geno does not have a lack of exposure.  If you think 30+ starts is a lack of exposure, I don't know what else to say to you.

Again, how many starts did he get the last two years?

I've also posted numbers showing that Geno was better than Fitz up until this point in their careers (First 900 passes or so).

11-18, 57.5%, 3.1 TD%, 4.2 INT%, 6.9 Y/A, 185.7 Y/G, 71.5 ratings in ages 23 and 24 (Geno Smith)

10-17, 59.5%, 3.2 TD %, 3.5 INT%, 6.1 Y/A, 199.7 Y/G, 73.1 ratings in ages 23 and 24

Who is the second guy?

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Just now, win4ever said:

Again, how many starts did he get the last two years?

I've also posted numbers showing that Geno was better than Fitz up until this point in their careers (First 900 passes or so).

11-18, 57.5%, 3.1 TD%, 4.2 INT%, 6.9 Y/A, 185.7 Y/G, 71.5 ratings in ages 23 and 24 (Geno Smith)

10-17, 59.5%, 3.2 TD %, 3.5 INT%, 6.1 Y/A, 199.7 Y/G, 73.1 ratings in ages 23 and 24

Who is the second guy?

Julian Edelman?

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Just now, AFJF said:

Julian Edelman?

Nope.  

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Just now, win4ever said:

Nope.  

I disagree.  It was Edelman, and  his numbers were bad because he didn't get enough exposure or something.

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Just now, AFJF said:

I disagree.  It was Edelman, and  his numbers were bad because he didn't get enough exposure or something.

Nope.

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Just now, win4ever said:

Nope.

I got it.  You're all in on the great Geno Smith.  Enjoy the ride to Canton.

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Just now, AFJF said:

I got it.  You're all in on the great Geno Smith.  Enjoy the ride to Canton.

I'm not saying he's great at all.  I'm just saying he's better than Fitz.

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Yet another attempt to get this thread back on track.

Hit: Elvis Dumervil...really liked him coming out of ASU.

Miss: IK Enemkpali...he'll be known for beating the crap out of his QB, but I thought he'd be a very good situational pass rusher who'd pick up 6-10 sacks a year.

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21 hours ago, Lupz27 said:

Again your playing the game wrong.

Well, apparently you know what game I should be playing, so please enlighten me.

 

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