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Teddy Bridgewater, the OTHER future no one is talking about!

Teddy Bridgewater: The OTHER future no one is talking about!   19 members have voted

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    • Call the Vikings up, offer a conditional pick.
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    • After missing out on Darnold, Rosen, & Allen, stick to the plan of drafting and developing our own guy and draft someone like Mason Rudolph in the mid first and go that route.
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1 hour ago, BigO said:

And also Garapolo. ūüėē

Thanks for making it worse :-)

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3 hours ago, thadude said:

He's done and was just okay to begin with before the injury

Bridgewater arm is very weak, healthy would have trouble  throwing in the MetLife stadium wind.  Now coming off a major injury of his legs .  I don't know if the guys a good fit for the Jets.

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10 hours ago, Mogglez said:

It's been a slow month and I'm feeling all sorts of inspired after reading the Kirk Cousins thread.

So picture this: The Jets (unfortunately, IMO) win 6-8 games in the same fashion of Geno Smith's rookie year (bad QB play but defense and a couple of lucky breaks net us some wins)...were out of the race for the big 2-3 QBs.  How would you feel about us trading a conditional pick (I'm thinking a 4th or 3rd that can become a 2nd based on health/playoff success) to the Vikings for Teddy Bridgewater? 

Personally, as of today, I'd rather go ahead and draft someone like Mason Rudolph, a guy that I believe will cement himself as a top 15 player in the draft this year but.....I still have a soft spot for Teddy and a year of collegiate ball can change a lot.  I absolutely loved him as a prospect and all the news out of Minnesota is that the success of Sam Bradford along with the investment put into him has pretty much taken him out of their future plans.  If we screw ourselves out of the top guys and Hack doesn't look the part, I can't say I'd be 100% against it.

Again, this isn't my ideal situation, but it's food for thought as we wait out the long days until training camp.

There's nothing wrong with bringing Teddy in as well as drafting a top 10 QB... 

At this point in time, I feel safer/better/sure of Luke Falk than the rest of them. But the options are many and they're all good. If this team sniffs success, picks around #8-12 and is looking at Jackson, Falk, Allen etc, then absolutely we can take a swing at Teddy. I really don't think it cost that much, his future is a total dice roll. 

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18 hours ago, Raideraholic said:

Bridgewater arm is very weak, healthy would have trouble  throwing in the MetLife stadium wind.  Now coming off a major injury of his legs .  I don't know if the guys a good fit for the Jets.

I don't get how Bridgewater is considered "good" even before the injury.  He was a barely above average passer whose game relied on his legs and now he doesn't have that

 

I have nothing against the guy I even defended him before the 2014 draft when he had a bad workout throwing without gloves--well if he can use gloves in the games who cares I said

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Why do we always covet broken players? 

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35 minutes ago, ASH1962 said:

Why do we always covet broken players? 

For me it's not necessarily Bridgewater, but he concept of signing a good QB and drafting one as well.  If it's Bridgewater, or Cousins, or someone else I leave that to the Macc to decide.   All I know is if we do that we'll be in a lot better shape next year as opposed to this year. 

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30 minutes ago, long suffering jets fan said:

For me it's not necessarily Bridgewater, but he concept of signing a good QB and drafting one as well.  If it's Bridgewater, or Cousins, or someone else I leave that to the Macc to decide.   All I know is if we do that we'll be in a lot better shape next year as opposed to this year. 

If we sign Bridgewater? Sorry, respectfully disagree. One hit away from square one ...

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so now we are happy with settling for the mediocrity of Teddy Bridgewater ? Not sure what the hype was but  14 TD's and 12 Ints and 14 TD's and 9 ints is not very exciting to me.

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56 minutes ago, Smashmouth said:

so now we are happy with settling for the mediocrity of Teddy Bridgewater ? Not sure what the hype was but  14 TD's and 12 Ints and 14 TD's and 9 ints is not very exciting to me.

I am very surprised those are his numbers.  I dont follow the Vikings but it seemed like they found their franchise QB before his injury.

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On 7/15/2017 at 3:58 AM, Mogglez said:

Well it gets a little tricky here because word out of Minnesota is that the Vikings may not clear him for play until AFTER Week 7, which to my understanding, will toll his contract and give the Vikings one more year of control in 2018

(source: https://www.dailynorseman.com/platform/amp/2017/5/3/15537330/more-teddy-bridgewater-option-clarification).  

Now what happens there I can't totally answer because I'm sure Teddy will fight it and it could get messy, but my guess is that, given the nature of the injury, the league will have to side with the Vikings.  That's the information I'm rolling with for this thread so that's why I mentioned offering a conditional pick.

Good find.  The plot thickens.  If Bridgewater is forced to be under contract to the Vikes in 2019, he won't be happy.  This should be fun to watch.  IMO he'll be traded if that's the plan

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1 hour ago, whodeawhodat said:

I am very surprised those are his numbers.  I dont follow the Vikings but it seemed like they found their franchise QB before his injury.

I think he was just a little over hyped

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11 minutes ago, Smashmouth said:

I think he was just a little over hyped

IIRC when his injury occurred, they canceled the rest of practice.  Seemed like they lost a substantial part of their team in their own minds(not outside hype or over hype).  Could have been because of the severity of the injury, i heard it was gruesome but it could have been to let the team emotionally recover.  I thought they were supposedly picked to be contenders that year but when he went down their season was over before it began.

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Regardless of their total wins, 2018 is going to be the year of the QB draft...draft one in the first round and start building around that guy.

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On 7/15/2017 at 4:30 AM, win4ever said:

The worst part about that is, Enunwa was left on the practice squad for most of the year, open for another team plucking him off, which shows the vote of confidence they had on him.

I never understood how they could pick all 12 guys, when there just isn't that much room to fit all these new guys in.  I can understand passing on QB, Geno looked improved the last 4 games, and I could see them leaning away, since he did play with horrible receivers.  The one thing I have no idea how to explain is why in God's name did we pick Pryor? He made no sense whatsoever.  We needed a FS (with Dix still on the board) and we picked this idiot?  Cooks or Dix there was the obvious choice.  Then Jace Amaro over Allen Robinson, Moncrief?  Amaro can't block much at all, so basically he's a WR in a TE's body, so why would we pick him over Robinson or Moncrief?

I still don't get how someone rated Amaro over Robinson.  Amaro ran a 4.6 at his pro day, while Robinson ran a 4.47.  Robinson's vertical, 3 cone, broad jump, shuttle, everything blows him away.  I get the curve for TE's if they can block at all because that's a different dimension.  However, ones that can't block are just glorified receivers.  I can understand someone like Evan Engram going high because he's a glorified receiver, but at least he can run fast and is much more mobile than some guy like Amaro.  Idzik had the same fascination with David Nelson.  Let's put a big slow guy out there that any LB on the opposing team can out run.  

Idzik failed that year at an incredible pace.  He picked Milliner and that sucked because of injuries.  But I can't blame him for that because the pick made sense, we had a need, and he was a top rated corner and athlete.  I can't blame him for not seeing the injury history.  However, his 2014 draft might have been one of the worst performances ever by a GM.  He did everything right in adding the picks and then got schooled.  

Dix/Robinson or Cooks/Robinson and Idzik is still the GM, IMO.  

Agree with almost all of this, but it happens. People get awestruck by a prospect and see things that sometimes aren't there. It's not really right to line up combine results when they're totally differently-built players. If they wanted to train Amaro to block more like a TE at this next level, he wouldn't have been limited by his size/strength where Richardson - some 50 lbs lighter and surely couldn't toss up 225 lbs 28 times - would have. I'm nobody's draft expert, but his cone and shuttle times were both noticeably better than Jimmy Graham's. His pro day 40 (4.60 avg, with a best time of 4.50) was better than Gronkowski's (4.68). Still, he was a total bust, because he sucks at football not because his combine results were worse than that of a WR. I'll bet almost every (drafted) TE's combine results are worse than almost every drafted WR's results. It's why teams go nuts over one when they put up WR times (e.g. Vernon Davis).

After we took Amaro, but still before Robinson, Seattle drafted Paul Richardson. Then after GB took Devante Adams, Denver drafted Cody Latimer. Seattle and Denver.

Before the Jets' 2nd round pick, Houston (guess-who was their lead scout) drafted a garbage guard in Su'a-Filo. They also passed on Carr themselves, even though they'd just ended the Matt Schaub era, brought back Case Keenum, and picked up Ryan Mallett, plus Ryan Fitzpatrick to be Mallett's backup.

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9 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Agree with almost all of this, but it happens. People get awestruck by a prospect and see things that sometimes aren't there. It's not really right to line up combine results when they're totally differently-built players. If they wanted to train Amaro to block more like a TE at this next level, he wouldn't have been limited by his size/strength where Richardson - some 50 lbs lighter and surely couldn't toss up 225 lbs 28 times - would have. I'm nobody's draft expert, but his cone and shuttle times were both noticeably better than Jimmy Graham's. His pro day 40 (4.60 avg, with a best time of 4.50) was better than Gronkowski's (4.68). Still, he was a total bust, because he sucks at football not because his combine results were worse than that of a WR. I'll bet almost every (drafted) TE's combine results are worse than almost every drafted WR's results. It's why teams go nuts over one when they put up WR times (e.g. Vernon Davis).

After we took Amaro, but still before Robinson, Seattle drafted Paul Richardson. Then after GB took Devante Adams, Denver drafted Cody Latimer. Seattle and Denver.

Before the Jets' 2nd round pick, Houston (guess-who was their lead scout) drafted a garbage guard in Su'a-Filo. They also passed on Carr themselves, even though they'd just ended the Matt Schaub era, brought back Case Keenum, and picked up Ryan Mallett, plus Ryan Fitzpatrick to be Mallett's backup.

I had heard that they decided to pass on Carr only because of his older brother and the backlash that would have ensued if Carr didnt pan out.

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56 minutes ago, whodeawhodat said:

I had heard that they decided to pass on Carr only because of his older brother and the backlash that would have ensued if Carr didnt pan out.

Well that plan certainly worked out well.

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1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Agree with almost all of this, but it happens. People get awestruck by a prospect and see things that sometimes aren't there. It's not really right to line up combine results when they're totally differently-built players. If they wanted to train Amaro to block more like a TE at this next level, he wouldn't have been limited by his size/strength where Richardson - some 50 lbs lighter and surely couldn't toss up 225 lbs 28 times - would have. I'm nobody's draft expert, but his cone and shuttle times were both noticeably better than Jimmy Graham's. His pro day 40 (4.60 avg, with a best time of 4.50) was better than Gronkowski's (4.68). Still, he was a total bust, because he sucks at football not because his combine results were worse than that of a WR. I'll bet almost every (drafted) TE's combine results are worse than almost every drafted WR's results. It's why teams go nuts over one when they put up WR times (e.g. Vernon Davis).

After we took Amaro, but still before Robinson, Seattle drafted Paul Richardson. Then after GB took Devante Adams, Denver drafted Cody Latimer. Seattle and Denver.

Before the Jets' 2nd round pick, Houston (guess-who was their lead scout) drafted a garbage guard in Su'a-Filo. They also passed on Carr themselves, even though they'd just ended the Matt Schaub era, brought back Case Keenum, and picked up Ryan Mallett, plus Ryan Fitzpatrick to be Mallett's backup.

Teeny tiny hands

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Going after Bridgewater would be a very Jets thing to do.

But seriously. In the scenario where we couldn't draft a top light QB prospect in the upcoming draft, and Hack shows he isn't the answer, I wouldn't be against that move. The Jets have to figure out something at the QB position...

 

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1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Agree with almost all of this, but it happens. People get awestruck by a prospect and see things that sometimes aren't there. It's not really right to line up combine results when they're totally differently-built players. If they wanted to train Amaro to block more like a TE at this next level, he wouldn't have been limited by his size/strength where Richardson - some 50 lbs lighter and surely couldn't toss up 225 lbs 28 times - would have. I'm nobody's draft expert, but his cone and shuttle times were both noticeably better than Jimmy Graham's. His pro day 40 (4.60 avg, with a best time of 4.50) was better than Gronkowski's (4.68). Still, he was a total bust, because he sucks at football not because his combine results were worse than that of a WR. I'll bet almost every (drafted) TE's combine results are worse than almost every drafted WR's results. It's why teams go nuts over one when they put up WR times (e.g. Vernon Davis).

After we took Amaro, but still before Robinson, Seattle drafted Paul Richardson. Then after GB took Devante Adams, Denver drafted Cody Latimer. Seattle and Denver.

Before the Jets' 2nd round pick, Houston (guess-who was their lead scout) drafted a garbage guard in Su'a-Filo. They also passed on Carr themselves, even though they'd just ended the Matt Schaub era, brought back Case Keenum, and picked up Ryan Mallett, plus Ryan Fitzpatrick to be Mallett's backup.

I think the biggest difference between Gronk and Amaro was that, Gronk was a good blocker even in college, so there wasn't much of a transition needed.  Amaro was a horrible blocker, and spent most of his time at WR.  Not only that, he ran a limited route tree at college because of the system, so he had the same issues that someone like Chad Hansen faces with the need to learn all the routes, even from the slot.  I think TE should be graded on a curve based on their blocking skills, but we seemed to miss that completely.  Someone like Legget is pretty close to Amaro (slower) but with better hands, and he dropped much further this year, mainly because he wasn't the featured receiver on his offense.  

My issue with the whole thing was that, they drafted a glorified receiver.  If Amaro had been a good blocker in college, where he came from a traditional system, I would have been completely fine with the pick because we were thin at that position too.  However, we pretty much had no one at WR besides Decker, and we ignored it in the deepest draft going after a guy that you really had to stretch to think he would make the transition to an in-line blocker.  If they picked say Latimore, and he failed, I would be able to live with it better because at least they made the right decision.  I don't blame Idzik for the Milliner pick, because it was a need pick and the top rated guy by most people at the position.  The WR position was different that year, because you could get a top tier guy later than usual because of the depth.  Someone like Cooks goes top 10 in this year's draft, and Allen Robinson definitely goes in the first round.  And when they made picks, it was guys rated much lower as well.  Saunders wasn't projected anywhere near where he was picked, neither was Evans.  Same thing with Pryor, because he was a hard hitting SS in a league cutting down on hard hits and relying more and more on passing.  If Dix was picked and he fell on his face, I would at least understand the logic behind the pick because it made sense at the time.  

That was a weird draft for QBs because things fell differently than usual.  I have no idea why Houston passed on Carr, because it fell to them perfectly.  Clowney was a prospect they couldn't pass up, kinda reminded me of the Bush/Williams draft where they went with Williams.  I think the issue there was that O'Brien fell in love with Mallet while being on the Pats and thought he was a hidden gem he could mold.  He was wrong.  

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