Deshaun Watson Impressing at Texans Camp

[BCJet]

13 hours ago, thadude said:

Because of Hack we passed on:

 

Dak Prescott, Deshaun Watson, Deshone Kizer and Mike Glennon

 

 

This could really be the icing on the cake in a couple months if most or all of those guys play well and Hack is picking his nose holding a clipboard

Are people really complaining that we didnt get Mike Glennon  - Mike Glenon???????

Also, and not to bring up things that are actually happening, but Brock Osweiler outplayed Kizer yesterday, so lets relax on putting kizer in the HOF.

Yes our QB situation is bad, but the entire league passed on Dak, no one saw him being this good.  

[ZachEY]

17 hours ago, T0mShane said:

In two years, after Marcus Maye is released and Kizer makes the Pro Bowl: 

HugeJetFn69: YA OK WHAT THE SOJFS FORGET IS THAT WE HAD TO REPLACE MARCUS GILCHRIST

HugeJetFn69 = JoJoTownsell1, or no?

[T0mShane]

22 minutes ago, gEYno said:

HugeJetFn69 = JoJoTownsell1, or no?

It's an amalgam of 39% of the base.

[Larz]

Remember Simms saying Sanchez had the best footwork he'd seen for a rookie?

Good times

[thadude]

19 hours ago, Joejet said:

As the second week of training camp creeps to a close, are we any closer to a quarterback decision in Denver, where Trevor Siemian and Paxton Lynch are locked in battle for the starting role?

"I think today you actually saw some separation," NFL Network's James Palmer reported Friday. "In my opinion, watching all the seven-on-seven and 11-on-11 drills, Trevor Siemian really had a better day than Paxton Lynch."

A raw performer as a rookie, Lynch gave way on Friday to Siemian, who showed better mastery of the attack after 14 mostly solid starts for the Broncos a year ago.

"You saw after Lynch had a couple of struggling reps, Trevor Siemian comes in, runs the play action, throws a dime into the quarter of the end zone for a touchdown," Palmer said. "The next play, play action, would have been a touchdown, but [was] dropped by tight end Jeff Heuerman in the end zone. Siemian looking just more poised in the spot."

After practice, first-year coach Vance Joseph complimented Siemian for having a "good day" and for consistently "changing plays at the line of scrimmage" to benefit the offense.

It's just one practice, but Saturday will cook up more hard-boiled evidence when the Broncos engage in their intrasquad scrimmage.

Siemian > Lynch

 

Amazing considering Lynch is an amazing athlete and Siemian has a weaker arm than Fitzgarbage.  Just goes to show playing QB in the NFL is 99% mental

[DetroitRed]

According to the Houston Chronicle, Tom Savage is "clearly" ahead of rookie Deshaun Watson through two weeks of Texans camp


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[Larz]

21 hours ago, Joejet said:

John McClain @McClain_on_NFL

Tom Savage has taken every snap with the first team. Deshaun Watson works with the second team.

/End thread

[Larz]

Stock down: DeShone Kizer

This would not be a steep drop, mind you, but it would be enough of a drop to put the brakes on the hopes that were growing in camp. Judging Kizer against Kessler and Osweiler can be misleading because the good throws Kizer makes stand out more when the other two aren't getting a lot done. In the scrimmage, Kizer looked like a rookie who still has a lot to learn. Concerns about his accuracy linger from college, and in all practices and the scrimmages he's completing 51 percent of his passes, according to unofficial numbers kept by ESPN Cleveland. That's just not good enough. Kizer deserves credit for guiding the offense to the 15 on his last possession, but he did not finish the drive while facing second-team and third-team players, some of whom won't be in the NFL after preseason. The scrimmage stressed that the Browns might be need to be patient with him. Jackson admitted it was an "eye-opening" experience for Kizer. That being said, it would also not be surprising if Jackson decided he needs to see Kizer in live action Thursday, which means Kizer would get snaps in the first half. The flip side: Kizer is 21 and learning to call plays in the huddle and make pre-snap reads for the first time in his life. There is plenty of time for him to grow without being rushed.

 

 

pro bowl

2 years

[NoBowles]

12 minutes ago, Larz said:

Stock down: DeShone Kizer

This would not be a steep drop, mind you, but it would be enough of a drop to put the brakes on the hopes that were growing in camp. Judging Kizer against Kessler and Osweiler can be misleading because the good throws Kizer makes stand out more when the other two aren't getting a lot done. In the scrimmage, Kizer looked like a rookie who still has a lot to learn. Concerns about his accuracy linger from college, and in all practices and the scrimmages he's completing 51 percent of his passes, according to unofficial numbers kept by ESPN Cleveland. That's just not good enough. Kizer deserves credit for guiding the offense to the 15 on his last possession, but he did not finish the drive while facing second-team and third-team players, some of whom won't be in the NFL after preseason. The scrimmage stressed that the Browns might be need to be patient with him. Jackson admitted it was an "eye-opening" experience for Kizer. That being said, it would also not be surprising if Jackson decided he needs to see Kizer in live action Thursday, which means Kizer would get snaps in the first half. The flip side: Kizer is 21 and learning to call plays in the huddle and make pre-snap reads for the first time in his life. There is plenty of time for him to grow without being rushed.

 

 

pro bowl

2 years

I read on this forum that the Browns understand math better than the rest of the world, so if they pick someone, he has a 99.873567% chance of being great. 

Sadly, the converse doesn't hold, because Deshaun Watson is a God, even though the Browns passed on him. Math is funny sometimes 

[Larz]

13 minutes ago, NoBowles said:

I read on this forum that the Browns understand math better than the rest of the world, so if they pick someone, he has a 99.873567% chance of being great. 

Sadly, the converse doesn't hold, because Deshaun Watson is a God, even though the Browns passed on him. Math is funny sometimes 

yeah, its a sign when you to see QB needy teams at the draft pass on all the QB's.  Two of the teams that took QB's took them as 3 year projects. 

Its actually kind of a bummer, even if the jets plan works, they get the #1 pick with $80 mill in cap space, it could still be ANOTHER 3 years before they make serious noise.

As far as I can tell, the entire 17 QB draft class is backing up this year.  That could change in a month, but it could also be another Smith/Manuel/Glennon class

[Lil Woody]

1 hour ago, Larz said:

yeah, its a sign when you to see QB needy teams at the draft pass on all the QB's.  Two of the teams that took QB's took them as 3 year projects. 

Its actually kind of a bummer, even if the jets plan works, they get the #1 pick with $80 mill in cap space, it could still be ANOTHER 3 years before they make serious noise.

As far as I can tell, the entire 17 QB draft class is backing up this year.  That could change in a month, but it could also be another Smith/Manuel/Glennon class

80M can buy a lot of JAGs to hold the fort with. Just need to have our 2 safeties, Shell, Jenkins, Mauldin, Burris and Stewart ALL pan out. With the 80 M you can buy a pretty good LT, C, ILB, WR, RB and still have more than enough to add some good complimentary pieces to help break in your new FQB.

[win4ever]

Wasn't there some report that Savage was clearly ahead of Watson so far?

[Lupz27]

On 8/4/2017 at 1:05 AM, JoJoTownsell1 said:

We took sanchez high. We took Pennington in the 1st. We took Hack and Geno early in the 2nd. We've gambled on QBs, and failed. Mac is opting to get guys like Adams/Williams to anchor the defense and hope Hack develops and if not grab one of the higher graded QB prospects next year. 

The fact is that there were a few QBs taken early this year. What if Watson is a bust and Mahommes is a stud will you complain then? Should we have traded away our next 2 years worth of picks to draft Trubisky/Watson/Mahommes and Kizer? I am sure one of them will pan out, i am sure one will be a bust. Maybe 1 will be Ok. This year's crop of QBs was a total crapshoot. Taking Watson made a ton of sense for the Texans. They have a great defense, weapons on offense and are really  just a QB away from being really good. Watson is a winner and could be just good enough to carry them places. The Texans had no other viable option at QB heading into this year anyway. We aren't in the same spot as the Texans. 

Next years crop of QBs looks far more appealing. 

Nah Mahomes can't miss stud!  Rest crap shoot.

[Lupz27]

On 8/4/2017 at 9:40 AM, MDL_JET said:

This is the dumbest thing to say in regards to a QB. If you love him you take him. Nobody is ever gonna say....yeah he's a great QB buttttt you did kinda reach picking him at 6.

I can see it now, Mahomes becoming Chiefs franchise QB and Mixon becoming the leagues best RB. Both of who could have been Jets.

But that Safety duo tho...

Fixed

[Lupz27]

On 8/4/2017 at 1:38 PM, BCJet said:

One of the least informed, non-factual posts ever.  The reason the class of 2018 is so hyped doesnt even have all that much to do with one particular player, its because there are 3 (or even 4) guys who MAY emerge as the #1 overall pick and have the physical ability to claim that draft spot.

Im sure you will tout years when guys like Matt Barkely or Teddy Bridgewater were "the next best thing" and they didnt pan out as top 3 picks, but that simply reinforces the argument against your position - those classes were so weak, that as soon as "the best" college QB was shown to not have the physical ability to be a top overall pick, there was no one left and teams were left sifting through 2nd tier prospects.

Guys like Matt Barkely, Bridgewater, Watson etc fall because they dont have elite arm strength and/or size.  Andrew Luck, Peyton, Elway etc all lived up to the hype because their physical ability was in line with their production. Elway had a cannon arm and was one of the best athletes to play the position well in the history of college football (see Yankees draft pick).  Peyton and Luck are a tier behind him in arm, but have elite physical size at over 6'4 and 230+lbs and played in pro systems.  That is why they wound up as "cant miss guys."  Even winston and mariota combined college production with elite physical skills - which is why they were the consensus 1 and 2 throughout the draft process.

Josh Allen, Josh Rosen and Sam Darnold are all 6'4+ with the requisite arm strength to excel in the NFL. Will they remain injury free, have production this season and minimal red flags - who knows.  Could Rosen's attitude push him to the teens of the draft, yes.  Could Allen not get his comp % up to a high enough level, sure.  But to have 3 QBs with elite physical traits, all playing at a high level in college football in the same season, from offenses with pro concepts, is why this class is very rare and VERY legitimate.  One could falter, but its very doubtful that none of these guys wind up as a top 3 pick.

You forgot Lamar Jackson who will be 2nd, or 3rd QB drafted.

[Lupz27]

On 8/5/2017 at 9:52 AM, jetspenguin said:

Only on a JETS message board would another's teams QB get a 6 page thread....smh

Sent From My Perch Above the SOJF's
 

And the very sad part is they are discussing the wrong QB that the Jets should have drafted at 6......SMH

[Lupz27]

On 8/5/2017 at 1:42 PM, T0mShane said:

Can someone do a photoshop of Maccagnan standing next to Tom Savage with the headline "Jets sign Savage to 8 year, $260 million dollar contract" plz, except give Savage Neil O'Donnell's head. Thanks.

Replace Savage with Alex Smith, and you hit it on the head.

[Lupz27]

19 hours ago, BCJet said:

Are people really complaining that we didnt get Mike Glennon  - Mike Glenon???????

Also, and not to bring up things that are actually happening, but Brock Osweiler outplayed Kizer yesterday, so lets relax on putting kizer in the HOF.

Yes our QB situation is bad, but the entire league passed on Dak, no one saw him being this good.  

Excuse me?

[AFJF]

"Ryan Leaf didn't look at all like a rattled rookie in his NFL debut. Sure, the touted San Diego Chargers quarterback made some mistakes and still has a ways to go in adjusting to the faster pace of the pro game. But was he nervous? Nope. It's not in his playbook.

"He throws so accurately," coach Kevin Gilbride said. "Even though he was late a few times, he put it in position where the only one who could catch it was us. That was the most encouraging thing. I don't want to in any way, shape or form make it seem like he's where he needs to be. Still, he's able to make plays and that's what it comes down to. I thought he did that very, very well."

"It was just one game. But for Leaf, it was a much different outcome than Manning's first game as quarterback of the Indianapolis Colts. Manning looked more like a backup than the No. 1 draft pick. Leaf, the No. 2 draft pick, looked like he's ready to step right in."

[BCJet]

3 hours ago, Lupz27 said:

Excuse me?

Yes?

[Ohio State NY Jets fan]

4 hours ago, Lupz27 said:

You forgot Lamar Jackson who will be 2nd, or 3rd QB drafted.

and don't sleep on Mason Rudolph 6'5" 230, 63% completion rate, 4091 yards, 28 TD, only 4 Int

2018 could have 5 first round QB's

[NoBowles]

44 minutes ago, AFJF said:

"Ryan Leaf didn't look at all like a rattled rookie in his NFL debut. Sure, the touted San Diego Chargers quarterback made some mistakes and still has a ways to go in adjusting to the faster pace of the pro game. But was he nervous? Nope. It's not in his playbook.

"He throws so accurately," coach Kevin Gilbride said. "Even though he was late a few times, he put it in position where the only one who could catch it was us. That was the most encouraging thing. I don't want to in any way, shape or form make it seem like he's where he needs to be. Still, he's able to make plays and that's what it comes down to. I thought he did that very, very well."

"It was just one game. But for Leaf, it was a much different outcome than Manning's first game as quarterback of the Indianapolis Colts. Manning looked more like a backup than the No. 1 draft pick. Leaf, the No. 2 draft pick, looked like he's ready to step right in."

So are you saying its a bit too early for all the victory laps from the Deshaun lovers? 

[AFJF]

1 minute ago, NoBowles said:

So are you saying its a bit too early for all the victory laps from the Deshaun lovers? 

Oh, goodness no.  I always feel like the best time to define what a QB's legacy will be is after his head coach's first pre-season comments on how he's looked so far.

[Jet Nut]

36 minutes ago, AFJF said:

Oh, goodness no.  I always feel like the best time to define what a QB's legacy will be is after his head coach's first pre-season comments on how he's looked so far.

Or off of reports written by the small time press who do nothing but shill teams and players in smaller, one paper markets.  You would never get the same type reporting we get about a Hack in Houston, KC etc

[thadude]

5 hours ago, Lupz27 said:

You forgot Lamar Jackson who will be 2nd, or 3rd QB drafted.

Watch us end up with Jackson instead of Darnold or Allen because McClown wins a couple fluke games

[Lupz27]

4 hours ago, BCJet said:

Yes?

Sift through the draft thread, I called the Dak Prescott greatness last February, just like I called the soon to be Pat Mahomes greatness last October.

[Warfish]

Not hugely meaningful, but seems Watson played rather well in his Preseason debut.  Vs. backups and #3's of course.

 http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2726664-deshaun-watson-shines-vs-panthers-in-professional-debut-for-texans?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

 

[bitonti]

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

Not hugely meaningful, but seems Watson played rather well in his Preseason debut.  Vs. backups and #3's of course.

 http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2726664-deshaun-watson-shines-vs-panthers-in-professional-debut-for-texans?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

 

Jets fans were fed this line about how the 2017 QBs were garbage. It wasn't true. Watson is a gamer everyone knew that much. He wasn't 1 overall perfect prospect like Darnold but he would have started for this team. Probably Mahomes too. 

no matter how good Adams and Maye turn out to be (and they both look great) the 2 safety picks was negligent management. It really was. "Seeing what we have" in Hack is the biggest load of garbage the Jets have ever tried to sell. And some fans bought it. 

[UntouchableCrew]

Loved Watson. I have little doubt he'll be a good NFL QB.

[Obrien2Toon]

10 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Jets fans were fed this line about how the 2017 QBs were garbage. It wasn't true. Watson is a gamer everyone knew that much. He wasn't 1 overall perfect prospect like Darnold but he would have started for this team. Probably Mahomes too. 

no matter how good Adams and Maye turn out to be (and they both look great) the 2 safety picks was negligent management. It really was. "Seeing what we have" in Hack is the biggest load of garbage the Jets have ever tried to sell. And some fans bought it. 

Ok, but say we drafted Watson/ Mahomes.

We go 2-14, but they show promise.

Then we pass on Darnold/ Allen to see how they pan out, which will most likely be slightly above average at best and miss out on sure fire blue chippers.

I like Mac's plan

[bitonti]

2 minutes ago, Obrien2Toon said:

Ok, but say we drafted Watson/ Mahomes.

We go 2-14, but they show promise.

Then we pass on Darnold/ Allen to see how they pan out, which will most likely be slightly above average at best and miss out on sure fire blue chippers.

I like Mac's plan

Disagree there's no reason the team could not have gone QB twice if the first crop looks awful . 

The rookie salaries have changed, Jamal Adams is making Josh McCown money this year and he'd be making the same if he was Watson.

And on a broader note this front office seems to have endless patience for these QBs that are awful. See what we have in Geno Smith? See what we have in Hack? No one else does that with 2nd rounders. No one else carries 4 QBs 

Stop shopping at Marshalls. Go to the damn tailor and buy a suit that fits for Christ's sake.  

[NoBowles]

11 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Disagree there's no reason the team could not have gone QB twice if the first crop looks awful . 

The rookie salaries have changed, Jamal Adams is making Josh McCown money this year and he'd be making the same if he was Watson.

And on a broader note this front office seems to have endless patience for these QBs that are awful. See what we have in Geno Smith? See what we have in Hack? No one else does that with 2nd rounders. No one else carries 4 QBs 

Stop shopping at Marshalls. Go to the damn tailor and buy a suit that fits for Christ's sake.  

I really like you bit, but you constantly show a complete lack of understanding of how the NFL works.

 

There is literally no way an NFL franchise would ever take a QB with a high first in back to back drafts.

[56mehl56]

17 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Jets fans were fed this line about how the 2017 QBs were garbage. It wasn't true. Watson is a gamer everyone knew that much. He wasn't 1 overall perfect prospect like Darnold but he would have started for this team. Probably Mahomes too. 

no matter how good Adams and Maye turn out to be (and they both look great) the 2 safety picks was negligent management. It really was. "Seeing what we have" in Hack is the biggest load of garbage the Jets have ever tried to sell. And some fans bought it. 

Let's ponder this scenario : Watson at Penn State and Hack at Clemson , do you think everyone would be calling Watson the gamer and Hack a bust still ???

People put too much emphasis on a player based on how good their surrounding team was. OMG Hack's a bust because his team was pure garbage, but Watson is the bomb because his team won the National championship.

[Obrien2Toon]

5 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Disagree there's no reason the team could not have gone QB twice if the first crop looks awful . 

The rookie salaries have changed, Jamal Adams is making Josh McCown money this year and he'd be making the same if he was Watson.

And on a broader note this front office seems to have endless patience for these QBs that are awful. See what we have in Geno Smith? See what we have in Hack? No one else does that with 2nd rounders. No one else carries 4 QBs 

Stop shopping at Marshalls. Go to the damn tailor and buy a suit that fits for Christ's sake.  

But what if he wasn't awful, but he wasn't great either.

Theyd most likely wait to see how he turns out and pass on one of the top QB classes in 30 years 

[bitonti]

34 minutes ago, NoBowles said:

I really like you bit, but you constantly show a complete lack of understanding of how the NFL works.

 

There is literally no way an NFL franchise would ever take a QB with a high first in back to back drafts.

no NFL franchise should carry 4 QBs on their active roster but the Jets did it last year. 

just because something hasn't happened before doesn't mean it can never happen.